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ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

OCT 12, 2012 07:03 AM



by ChrisSick


[Source: Mashable]

Hey there, lil' tyke, wassa matter? Did the President let you down? Break your heart when he blew away his five-point lead in ninety minutes of sad-ass debate performance last week? Well, guess what, your uncle Joe is here to cheer you all up, he's got a treat for you and its called FACTS.

For the last week I've endured nothing but endless triumphalism from the Right and sky-is-falling inanity from the Left. Following President Obama's lifeless (and bloodless, by comparison) debate performance against Gov. Romney, the polls favored the challenger for the first time since he captured the nomination in June of this year. This resulted in a brutal media cycle that asked such important political questions as “Does the President even give a shit?” and “How bad will a Romney presidency be?

Joe Biden emailed me, personally — along with every one else on the Obama 2012 mailing list — to ask for money and promise me that he had one job tonight:


“I told Barack I have one mission tonight: tell the truth and stand up for what we believe in.”



Well, according to a quick scan of Politfact's instant debate factcheck, he pretty handily accomplished that. In fact, if all you're looking for is a quick summary of the debate, here it is:


“BIDEN: Those are the facts, right?

RYAN: This is what politicians do when they don't have a record to run on...”



Ryan read prepared (and well-worn) attack lines straight from his stump speeches, while Biden laughed himself sick every time Ryan opened his mouth and once actually rubbed his hands together in anticipation of responding while Ryan was speaking. Biden seized FACTS as punctuation for all his points early in the debate, and after looking a little shaky on the Benghazi Embassy debacle, pretty much bludgeoned Ryan to death with them from there on out.

I knew the debate was won by Biden forty-five minutes in as I watched all the conservative Twitter accounts I follow harp on #Bidengrin, which quickly got seized upon by liberals (and myself) as a triumphant tag, so they quickly switched to #Bidenunhinged. Harping on the oppositions facial expressions during the debate is usually a sign that you've ceded the salient point ground.

But for a second, let's talk about this and — hopefully, in the process — put both the debates into perspective. You judge the winner of a debate in one easy way. You turn off the sound and watch the body language and facial expressions. Fucking tragic, I know, that such an analysis matters more than any actual points that get stated or rebuttals delivered, but there it is. As a smarter man than me once opined — the game is the game.

And by such a metric President Obama lost the first Presidential debate about as badly as Congressman Ryan did tonight. Joe Biden was relaxed, comfortable, confident, and seemed to be enjoying himself, while Ryan looked overly-serious, humorless, stiff, more than a little disturbingly dead-eyed.

I spent most of the week following the Presidential debate patiently — okay, not so patiently more than once — explaining to dissatisfied liberals why their firm conviction that Mitt Romney did nothing but lie through his perfect teeth didn't matter even a little bit. Because the correct response to such a tactic isn't to stare at your note cards on the podium, it is to do precisely what Joe Biden did tonight, hammer on the facts, corner your opponent in their own words, and never let up.

You don't win debates because Politifact says you told less lies after the fact.

And despite Biden's emailed promise to tell the truth, he really only had one job tonight, and that was to create a new media narrative. If early indications that I'm seeing are any sign, he's successfully accomplished that. Conservatives will tell you — and anyone who will listen, much less believe them — that the moderator was biased (because the President attended her wedding twenty years ago as a guest of her now-divorced husband), that the Veep debate was a draw (already seeing this on TwitteR), or that it doesn't matter nearly as much as Obama's performance.

But, an interesting fact is that the initial polling that included post-debate reaction didn't show a substantial bounce for Romney. The media and most viewers were in agreement that the President lost, and badly. In fact, by the largest margin in history. But it didn't shift the polls very quickly. The massive shift didn't take place until after the media narrative coalesced. And you can forget all that “liberal media bias” horseshit. The media doesn't love a liberal half as much as they love a dogfight race.

Expecting the Veep Debate to change the stakes and dramatically shift the needle in the polls is wishful thinking, at best and outright liberal delusion, at worst. But what Biden may have accomplished tonight is to staunch the bleeding, and — more importantly — change the narrative. The next few days will be highly instructive but thus far, anything is possible as the debates have broken most of the historical precedents for affecting a race.


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Stiles

Stiles

Philadelphia, PA
November 2002

OCT 12, 2012 08:22 AM

It's going to be interesting, for sure...

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

OCT 12, 2012 08:30 AM

What I get tired of, both after this debate and the previous one, are all the "But they didn't talk about this!' comments.

cpkz

cpkz

Portland, OR
September 2006

OCT 12, 2012 08:37 AM

The media doesn't love a liberal half as much as they love a dogfight race.



This 100 times over. The media is about making money first and foremost. Sometimes they have a liberal bias because the populace has a liberal bias... but when it comes to this, they are entirely manufacturing how close the race is between Romney and Obama.

Stiles

Stiles

Philadelphia, PA
November 2002

OCT 12, 2012 09:07 AM

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/12/live_fact_check_vp_debate/

The list of Ryan's lies, distortions and hypocrisy.

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

OCT 12, 2012 10:58 PM

cpkz said:

The media doesn't love a liberal half as much as they love a dogfight race.



This 100 times over. The media is about making money first and foremost. Sometimes they have a liberal bias because the populace has a liberal bias... but when it comes to this, they are entirely manufacturing how close the race is between Romney and Obama.



They're really not, tho'. My personal poll-watching stratagem is not to watch any individual poll, but to watch all of them for trending and patterns to emerge. The polls are solid, Obama's numbers were soft--that is to say, a lot of people supported him as long as Romney didn't appear to be a viable alternative but are not terribly happy with Obama's first term. The big story this election is the dramatic rise in independent voter registration, outpacing new registrations for either party. There's a deep sense among the electorate--I'm speculating, reading into this stuff is tricky at best--that neither party can get out of binary or actually work together to solve problems. Voter dissatisfaction is very high. That becomes problematic for any incumbent. There's a good argument that both politically and policy-wise a lot of the blame for this can be laid at the feet of Republicans (provided we're careful not to overstate that), but the fallout of the political atmosphere is effecting both parties. Short answer: the media is driving the narrative, but the narrative is shaping realty--it is very much a close race with a serious Romney lead at current.

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

OCT 12, 2012 11:04 PM

Coyotemike said:
What I get tired of, both after this debate and the previous one, are all the "But they didn't talk about this!' comments.



Well... I actually made a joke about this in one of my previous columns, I'm definitely in that camp, even if I haven't made a point of bringing it up.

Domestic policy ought and has to mean more than just middle-class tax rates and deficit/debt issues. There's serious questions about human rights/marriage equality, privacy concerns, drug policy, and a million other things that aren't getting addressed because all we care to discuss is whether or not Romney can actually deliver on his mythical 20% tax cut without exploding the deficit.

We're shortchanging ourselves hoping for a debate win for "our team" that doesn't actually educate voters about where the candidates are on a number of important policy issues, and leaves voters with the impression that those policies are just culture war nonsense not worthy of actual attention or exploration.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

OCT 13, 2012 12:07 AM

Thanks again Chris. Enjoying this series a lot.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

OCT 13, 2012 05:54 AM

ChrisSick said:

Coyotemike said:
What I get tired of, both after this debate and the previous one, are all the "But they didn't talk about this!' comments.



Well... I actually made a joke about this in one of my previous columns, I'm definitely in that camp, even if I haven't made a point of bringing it up.

Domestic policy ought and has to mean more than just middle-class tax rates and deficit/debt issues. There's serious questions about human rights/marriage equality, privacy concerns, drug policy, and a million other things that aren't getting addressed because all we care to discuss is whether or not Romney can actually deliver on his mythical 20% tax cut without exploding the deficit.

We're shortchanging ourselves hoping for a debate win for "our team" that doesn't actually educate voters about where the candidates are on a number of important policy issues, and leaves voters with the impression that those policies are just culture war nonsense not worthy of actual attention or exploration.



Yes, but just watching twitter during the debate, I saw things from Torture to Animal Cruelty to Admitting the moon landing was fake to etc etc etc. There are things that need to be brought up, but with the time limitations, how would it work?

Mr_Matt_

Mr_Matt_

Pompano Beach, FL
July 2005

OCT 13, 2012 08:06 AM

Don't you guys ever wander into Silliness?



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ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

OCT 13, 2012 08:22 AM

Mr_Matt_ said:
Don't you guys ever wander into Silliness?



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Wish I had found this one for the header before the post went live:

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ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

OCT 13, 2012 08:25 AM

Coyotemike said:
Yes, but just watching twitter during the debate, I saw things from Torture to Animal Cruelty to Admitting the moon landing was fake to etc etc etc. There are things that need to be brought up, but with the time limitations, how would it work?



That's why there's a moderator. The moon-landing people who want to know Biden/Obama or Romney/Ryan's feelings on batshit crazy? Yeah, fuck those people. But there's no earthly reason for Martha Raddatz to frame her abortion question the way she did, or not ask Ryan about what a Romney administration would do about the DoJ not defending DOMA, or what effect the repeal of DADT has had on the military, or what both candidates think about our sky-high incarceration rates...

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

OCT 13, 2012 09:14 AM

ChrisSick said:

Coyotemike said:
Yes, but just watching twitter during the debate, I saw things from Torture to Animal Cruelty to Admitting the moon landing was fake to etc etc etc. There are things that need to be brought up, but with the time limitations, how would it work?



That's why there's a moderator. The moon-landing people who want to know Biden/Obama or Romney/Ryan's feelings on batshit crazy? Yeah, fuck those people. But there's no earthly reason for Martha Raddatz to frame her abortion question the way she did, or not ask Ryan about what a Romney administration would do about the DoJ not defending DOMA, or what effect the repeal of DADT has had on the military, or what both candidates think about our sky-high incarceration rates...



It would require a lot more discipline in the candidates, or the ability to cut their microphones off when time expired.

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

OCT 13, 2012 09:15 AM

Or you just give me a stick.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

OCT 13, 2012 09:58 AM

ChrisSick said:
Or you just give me a stick.



Does make me wonder what debates would be like if politicians still carried Bowie knives and shillelaghs....