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suntaster

suntaster

USA
January 2012

SEP 20, 2012 10:40 PM

Fuckoff kid...lets do this....I've tried to keep this somewhat civil...actually i think i have. Your comments prove opposite of your "guarantees". I dont know what your age is, but obviously you have the wisdom and mentality of a mother fucking child. If you wanna trade insults with this fucking blowhard.....then bring it on you son of a bitch. You can take your sorry ass guarantees and stick them in your grey pubic haired pussy, low bread ignorant mother fucker! I don't listen to limbaugh and i have no idea who this other fucker is. And what the fuck are you talking about before white people got here? My family came from germany 300 years ago LEGALLY! By the way kid....if you smarter and wiser and more educated than me (see previous guarantees), then why don't you check your fucking spelling and grammat?! Stupid mother fucker! I WAS enjoying this exchange with C but then you ignorant mother fuckersmm wanna insult me and piss me off. Its called a fuckin search engine, you dumbasses. Type in a sentence.....wait for. 0002 seconds for thousands of results.....look at them......read them if you can, if not, have someone read them to you. Coyote.....the country music equals suicide was reported approximately a year ago by a radio station......106.5 the end (wend), in reference to your profile about country making you sad....it was an attempt at a joke......my apologies for trying to keep this friendly. Senior position fuck face? I wasnt aware that we worked together or that you had more seniority than me. I can easily tell from your eloquent words that you think way more of yourself than you should. You're the blowhard in this conversation, save yourself some embarrassment and walk the fuck away. Point blank....maybe you didn't read previous post. A genious comment was made that identification wasn't required by law to purchase alcohol or tobacco......ok...what the fuck ever. With the exception lf coyote.....lemme bring in my southern here....ya'll some stupid mother fuckers!

suntaster

suntaster

USA
January 2012

SEP 20, 2012 10:42 PM

Grammar......not grammat! FUCK! of all the damn words to misspell! Baha!

Mr_Matt_

Mr_Matt_

Pompano Beach, FL
July 2005

SEP 21, 2012 03:21 AM

mee-oww! miao!!

SilverSurfer

SilverSurfer

MODERATOR

Chicago, IL

SEP 21, 2012 03:52 AM

A couple of guidelines for the current events board, and for the entire site:

- Avoid abusive language towards other members.

- If you disagree with someone, attack their arguments, but don't attack them.

More than one member has crossed the line in this thread.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 21, 2012 05:14 AM

suntaster said:
Fuckoff kid...lets do this....I've tried to keep this somewhat civil...actually i think i have. Your comments prove opposite of your "guarantees". I dont know what your age is, but obviously you have the wisdom and mentality of a mother fucking child. If you wanna trade insults with this fucking blowhard.....then bring it on you son of a bitch. You can take your sorry ass guarantees and stick them in your grey pubic haired pussy, low bread ignorant mother fucker! I don't listen to limbaugh and i have no idea who this other fucker is. And what the fuck are you talking about before white people got here?



I think you're confused. I never mentioned white people.

And I never wanted to trade insults with you. I'm just telling you that I'm smarter than you, better informed than you, and so on and so forth. You can't string a sentence together, and you can't argue your way out of a wet paper bag.

SilverSurfer said:
- If you disagree with someone, attack their arguments, but don't attack them.


I agree. But it's hard to maintain that approach when someone's only strategy for coping with disagreement is to be insulting (and incoherent).

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

SEP 21, 2012 06:03 AM

suntaster said:
. Point blank....maybe you didn't read previous post. A genious comment was made that identification wasn't required by law to purchase alcohol or tobacco......ok...what the fuck ever.


Er, i was the one who made that comment. And I'm right. You do not need an ID to legally purchase alcohol. In fact, I did that just the other day--bought a beer without producing an ID! Of course, some stores/bars may require an ID for someone they think is too young, but you. do. not. need. one. legally.

Now that is genious!

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

SEP 21, 2012 07:24 AM

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...you may remember me from such educational posts as "What the everloving fuck?: Glenn Beck's Rise to Prominence."

Today, I'd like to take a moment to discuss research and conspiracy theories. Research is one of those tricky words that has actual meaning. And, as I told students every semester, looking up shit on Google ain't research. Google does not vet sites; Google lists them as either the most popular or the sites that bought the most ad-space. (Santorum)

So, yes, in .02 seconds, you can get 6,000,000 hits on any given topic. But, of those 6,000,000 hits, 5,999,998 are full of crap made up by people who call themselves "experts" (but nobody else would). And those other two sites are buried somewhere in the middle, deep where nobody is going to get to.

You can get better results with Google:Scholar, but even then, it's still Google. And Google has less reliability than Wikipedia (pause for shocked gasps).

So, no, doing a Google search isn't "research."

Now, conspiracy theories. I cannot claim that there have never been conspiracies. I don't have that information. But I can say that conspiracies, like the idea of 9/11 being an inside job because of how the buildings fell, just aren't credible. The logistics alone of getting such a thing to happen are mind-boggling, particularly when the whole thing has to be kept secret. You have to trust every person in on the job, every person who might witness the job, their families, their friends, their kids' friends...and trust that none of them are going to be greedy enough to keep evidence and strike up a book deal. And, no, just killing them doesn't work; people notice when folks disappear.

(This post has been brought to you by Eggs and Coffee. And an Apple)

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

SEP 21, 2012 09:08 AM

You know what I found on Google? I found out that the president actually didn't apologize to terrorists. I found out that countless studies have shown no significant incidence of in-person voter fraud. I also found out that shouting "RESEARCH!" a lot isn't actually research, and that people don't believe me if I don't cite my sources. You know what else I found out about on Google?

Fucking paragraph breaks.

hotcurry

hotcurry

Los Angeles, CA
June 2004

SEP 21, 2012 10:54 AM

suntaster said:
Grammar......not grammat! FUCK! of all the damn words to misspell! Baha!



THAT was your biggest concern with what you'd written above?!

Stiles

Stiles

Philadelphia, PA
November 2002

SEP 21, 2012 11:37 AM

suntaster said:

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Fuckoff kid...lets do this....I've tried to keep this somewhat civil...actually i think i have. Your comments prove opposite of your "guarantees". I dont know what your age is, but obviously you have the wisdom and mentality of a mother fucking child. If you wanna trade insults with this fucking blowhard.....then bring it on you son of a bitch. You can take your sorry ass guarantees and stick them in your grey pubic haired pussy, low bread ignorant mother fucker! I don't listen to limbaugh and i have no idea who this other fucker is. And what the fuck are you talking about before white people got here? My family came from germany 300 years ago LEGALLY! By the way kid....if you smarter and wiser and more educated than me (see previous guarantees), then why don't you check your fucking spelling and grammat?! Stupid mother fucker! I WAS enjoying this exchange with C but then you ignorant mother fuckersmm wanna insult me and piss me off. Its called a fuckin search engine, you dumbasses. Type in a sentence.....wait for. 0002 seconds for thousands of results.....look at them......read them if you can, if not, have someone read them to you. Coyote.....the country music equals suicide was reported approximately a year ago by a radio station......106.5 the end (wend), in reference to your profile about country making you sad....it was an attempt at a joke......my apologies for trying to keep this friendly. Senior position fuck face? I wasnt aware that we worked together or that you had more seniority than me. I can easily tell from your eloquent words that you think way more of yourself than you should. You're the blowhard in this conversation, save yourself some embarrassment and walk the fuck away. Point blank....maybe you didn't read previous post. A genious comment was made that identification wasn't required by law to purchase alcohol or tobacco......ok...what the fuck ever. With the exception lf coyote.....lemme bring in my southern here....ya'll some stupid mother fuckers!



People are giving you a hard time because you aren't backing up anything you say with any kinds of actual facts or legitimate research. You're also not making any kind of a coherent argument, which doesn't help either.

Since you're not putting in the effort, why should anyone else? Respect works both ways. You're in your mid- 40s and should know this by now.

If you post a coherent argument backed up by links to legitimate sources you'll get real replies rather than derision and dismissal. Those replies may disagree with you and you may need to defend your position but things will be more civil.

TL;DR: don't act like a troll and you won't be treated like one.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

SEP 22, 2012 10:00 AM

SilverSurfer

SilverSurfer

MODERATOR

Chicago, IL

OCT 02, 2012 05:28 PM

From the New York Times:

Key Part of Voter ID Law in Pennsylvania Delayed for Election

A Pennsylvania judge on Tuesday delayed full implementation of a highly contested state law requiring strict photographic identification to vote in next month’s election, saying that the authorities had not done enough to ensure that potential voters had access to the new documents.

The judge, Robert Simpson, who upheld the law in August when it was challenged by liberal and civil rights groups, was instructed by the state’s Supreme Court two weeks ago to hold further hearings. He was told to focus on the question of whether enough had been done to ensure “liberal access” to the picture ID cards or alternatives.

Judge Simpson said in his Tuesday ruling that for the presidential election of Nov. 6, voters in Pennsylvania could be asked to produce the newly required photo IDs, but if they did not have them could still go ahead and vote. The decision could be appealed to the State Supreme Court.

“While we’re happy that voters in Pennsylvania will not be turned away if they do not have an ID, we are concerned that the ruling will allow election workers to ask for ID at the polls and this could cause confusion,” said Penda D. Hair, co-director of Advancement Project, one of the groups that challenged the law. “This injunction serves as a mere Band-Aid for the law’s inherent problems, not an effective remedy.”

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The Pennsylvania law, passed in the spring without any Democratic support, is one of 11 similar laws around the country passed by Republican-dominated legislatures. The laws’ backers say they are trying to ensure the integrity of the electoral process by preventing fraud. But Democrats accuse them of seeking to suppress the votes of the poor and members of minority groups who tend to have neither the needed ID nor the means to go to state offices and obtain one and who tend to vote Democratic.

In opinion surveys, substantial majorities of Americans back the voter ID requirements despite the fact that repeated efforts to demonstrate the existence of in-person voter fraud have shown there to be very little of it.

Pennsylvania is one of a number of swing states that could make the difference in the presidential race between President Obama and Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate, especially if the count is close. Increasingly, however, Mr. Obama, who won Pennsylvania in 2008, has been pulling far ahead of Mr. Romney in key states. A Quinnipiac/New York Times/CBS News poll last week showed Mr. Obama ahead in Pennsylvania by 12 points.

With a month left before the election, voter ID requirements around the country were looking far less significant than they once had. They have been taken off the table in Texas, Ohio and Wisconsin although the Wisconsin law remains under judicial review. The Justice Department permitted New Hampshire to go ahead with its voter ID law, but those who do not have the required document will be permitted to vote and have a month to verify their identity.

The Pennsylvania law’s challengers said that their focus over the coming month would be to press the state to alter its voter education campaign to make clear that no picture ID is in fact required to vote in the upcoming election.

“This is a big win in that no one will be turned away on Election Day because they don’t have the new strict voter ID,” said Benjamin D. Geffen, a lawyer with the Public Interest Law Center of Philadelphia, which took part in the law’s challenge. “The state has a large budget to spend on advertising this fact, and we want to make sure it does it.”

Nick Winkler, director of public relations for Pennsylvania’s department of state, said there would indeed be a change in what voters were told and in how poll workers would be trained for next month.

“Our education campaign is in full swing, and all we have to do is retool it from talking about requiring voter ID to requesting it,” he said. “Poll worker training has not begun in some counties and will now take this into account as well.”

Mr. Winkler said the state had not yet decided whether to appeal the decision.

He said that a total of 13,000 alternative ID’s had been issued by the state purely for the purpose of voting and that state colleges and universities were updating their student ID cards to make them eligible forms for their holders to use at the polls. The state law permits about eight kinds of ID to be shown at the polls.

But Judge Simpson said in his Tuesday decision that the issuing of the new documents across the state had not been fast enough.

“I expected more photo IDs to have been issued by this time,” he wrote. “Under these circumstances, I am obliged to enter a preliminary injunction” preventing the law from being fully implemented.

He said he did not consider the mere asking for photo ID to be a problem, only the availability of the documents and only for the coming election. During two days of hearings last week he heard stories of voters waiting hours to obtain their IDs and being forced to return more than once to the appropriate office.

He said that the challengers to the law argued that the state had not made provisions for the ID to be obtained easily even after November 6th and he would begin planning for a trial to examine the need for a permanent injunction against the law. He added that if he had misunderstood the Supreme Court’s instructions on this point, he would appreciate further guidance from it.

At the State Supreme Court hearings, the lawyers for the liberal groups said that, in theory, a voter ID law could pass constitutional muster if the document were truly easily available, but that Pennsylvania had not taken steps to ensure that as of now.

SilverSurfer

SilverSurfer

MODERATOR

Chicago, IL

OCT 08, 2012 05:01 PM

From the L.A. Times:

Courts block Republicans' voter ID laws – for now

Earlier this year, voting rights advocates foresaw a cloud over this year's election because new voting laws in Republican-led states tightened the rules for casting ballots and reduced the time for early voting.

But with the election less than a month away, it's now clear those laws will have little impact. A series of rulings has blocked or weakened the laws as judges — both Republicans and Democrats — stopped measures that threatened to bar legally registered voters from polling places in the November election.

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"Courts see their role as the protectors of the core right to vote," said Ned Foley, an election law expert at Ohio State University.

The laws were the product of a Republican sweep in the 2010 election. The GOP took full control in such states as Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida, and soon adopted changes in their election laws.

Some states told registered voters they must show a current photo identification, such as a driver's license, even if they did not drive. Others, including Florida and Ohio, reduced the time for early voting or made it harder for college students to switch their registrations.

Republicans defended the laws as protections against fraud. But advocates for increased access to the polls cast them as "voter suppression" laws that could prevent tens of thousands of poor and elderly voters, racial minorities and students from casting ballots. And Democrats, who can usually count on support from these voters, worried that the laws could even sway the outcome in the presidential race if it were close in key states.

Since the disputed presidential election of 2000 and the Supreme Court's Bush vs. Gore decision, increasingly partisan disputes over election laws have arisen. In general, Republicans have called for tighter restrictions, while Democrats have opted for looser and more generous rules.

The Constitution gives states the power to set the rules for elections, and judges usually uphold regulations adopted by state legislatures. But this year, judges took a more skeptical view of regulations that could stand in the way of voters.

State judges in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania blocked strict new photo ID laws from taking effect. And federal judges pressed Ohio and Florida to restore most of the early voting days that were cut under new laws.

Another federal judge in Ohio said the state must count the ballots of voters who go to the right polling place but are sent to the wrong table for their precinct. Four years ago, 14,000 votes were lost for that reason. A second federal judge set aside part of the Florida law that had prevented groups such as the League of Women Voters from registering new voters.

"It's been a remarkable series of victories," said Wendy Weiser, a lawyer for the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, a liberal advocacy group that has opposed the new restrictions on voting.

Most voters support voter ID laws, according to opinion surveys. Pennsylvania Secretary of State Carol Aichele said her state's photo ID law was "on track to be fully implemented in future elections. [It] is designed to preserve the integrity of every vote by doing what we can to make sure each voter is who they claim to be."

None of the rulings this year conclude that photo ID laws are unconstitutional. Rather, the judges said that if states plan to enforce such a new rule, they must ensure that people legally registered to vote — including those who are old and do not drive — can easily obtain the identification they need.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which has three elected Republicans and three Democrats, said it would allow "no voter disenfranchisement" under the state's new voter ID law. And on that basis, a state judge decided last week that it could not be enforced this year. The court was told that hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvania's registered voters did not have the kind of photo ID card that would allow them to vote.

In a Texas case, federal judges focused on the difficulty of obtaining the right photo ID card from a state motor vehicle office. Because about a third of Texas counties do not have such an office, thousands of legal voters who do not drive — and, in many instances, have no access to a car — faced the prospect of finding a way to travel more than 200 miles round trip to obtain ID cards, the judges said.

Rick Hasen, a law professor at UC Irvine, said many of the rulings might not stand for long. "The victories over voter ID laws are likely to be short-lived," he said.

The Supreme Court has not yet weighed in this year on the major election law disputes. Four years ago, however, the justices upheld an Indiana photo ID law, and Hasen predicted they would look favorably on the new state laws so long as voters were given enough time to comply.

And not all the rulings went for the challengers. In Florida, a judge refused last week to stop state officials from seeking to remove noncitizens from the voting rolls. People who are not citizens have no right to vote, the judge said.

In Ohio, two election law disputes remain unsettled. State officials have restored early voting in Ohio, but it is unclear whether polling places will be open on the three days before the election. State officials are also appealing a judge's order that required the counting of ballots cast in the wrong precinct because of a poll worker's error.

But the laws that would have done the most to limit voting rights have been stopped this year. "The ground rules for this election will be much fairer now, and that's a victory for the voters," Weiser said.

suntaster

suntaster

USA
January 2012

OCT 11, 2012 07:24 PM

No comments from now on...only sources...would that work for you? And yes, you do have to prove your age if questioned, your argument is not valid in any way

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

OCT 11, 2012 07:29 PM

suntaster said:
No comments from now on...only sources...would that work for you? And yes, you do have to prove your age if questioned, your argument is not valid in any way



Your source is O'Keefe, your argument is now completely invalid.

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

OCT 12, 2012 12:47 AM

Jesus fucking Christ, really?

The videographer responded: “Yeah, I don’t want to get in trouble. But like I said, if no one’s going to know I don’t have a problem with it, yeah. So anyway, but…”

Caballero then said: “Oh, my God. This is so funny. It’s cool though.”

O’Keefe then said “a few weeks later,” his videographer went back to the office to follow up. Caballero gave her a Florida absentee ballot application to “help her vote twice.”


...

The videographer responded: “Well, I mean, if no one’s gonna know…”

Caballero audibly laughed, then said: “You’re so hilarious!”

“Okay I’m just going to print this out for you,” Caballero then said.



Hard-hitting, incriminating stuff, and totally not at all edited I'm sure.

When did "rational independent" become the new preferred label for "asshole conservative who believes in psychotic conspiracy theories"?

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