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JAN 13, 2012 07:01 AM

by Yashar Ali

At a holiday party this year, I noticed an R. Kelly song playing on my friend’s iPod. I looked at two of my (male) friends who were standing nearby and asked, “You guys are listening to R. Kelly?”

One of them responded, “Yeah, so what?”

“He seduced under-age girls and I’ve seen the video of him peeing on one of them. Remember when he (illegally) married Aaliyah (R&B singer who is now deceased) when she was 15 and he was 30?”

“I separate the music from the person,” the same friend said.

“Oh god–I’m sure you listen to Chris Brown too,” I said with frustration in my voice.

My other friend chimed in and confirmed, defiantly, “Yeah! I do.”

Here is a reminder: in 2009, singer and dancer Chris Brown was charged and convicted for beating, biting, and choking his girlfriend, singer Rihanna, while they were in a car in Los Angeles. With respect to R. Kelly, in 2002 he was indicted on multiple counts of possessing and filming child pornography, and through years of legal maneuvering, was able to have the charges dropped when the then 14 year-old girl refused to testify against him. She, in fact, told people that it was consensual. He was able to avoid jail by making multiple cash settlements, including one to the girl in the video.

Of course, Chris Brown and R. Kelly aren’t the only examples of male artists who abuse women. We need to look no further than Charlie Sheen and Mel Gibson as examples of men who still get chances despite their abuse of women.

How many people tagged their tweets with “#winning” during Charlie Sheen’s summer meltdown? How obsessively was his narcissistic tour cheered and celebrated by both men and women? Ignoring the fact that over years and years, Charlie Sheen has been accused and imprisoned for terrorizing the women in his life, I take no great pleasure in saying that his punishments would have been more severe had some of his accusers not been sex workers.

Mel Gibson readily admits, on tape, to beating his girlfriend Oksana and he has yet to be driven out of the film business. Major movie studios, like Warner Brothers, still want to be in business with him.

This idea of separating the artistry from the person is perfectly plausible if the artist, when guilty of making mistakes, is truly repentant. And it’s also plausible when these mistakes do not cause physical harm on other people.

But, I (and all of us), must draw the line at supporting and enriching men who are pedophiles, in Kelly’s case, and virtually unrepentant domestic abusers in the case of Brown, Sheen, and Gibson. There is a difference between an artist who makes mistakes and an artist who abuses women (or men) and lacks any sense of remorse.

Both of my friends at that party are two of the biggest supporters of my writing about women. In fact, they have read almost all of my work and have been helpful to me beyond what a good friendship calls for. They are also both close to their respective mothers – they are really good men, which is why I have shared this experience with you. It would be much easier to dismiss their feelings if they didn’t treat the women in their life with respect, if they weren’t fundamentally good people.

For me, this is ultimately about one question: how can men and women stand by and separate what happened to women like Rihanna, from the women in our own lives? We shouldn’t. In our culture, we tend to compartmentalize the trauma others face as a coping mechanism of sorts. It’s a way to shield ourselves from their pain, and also a way to avoid having to help or being held accountable for not helping.

Separating the artist from the music is a convenient way to avoid looking at Chris Brown’s abuse of Rihanna, but the only way to deal with an injustice is avoid this separation, to absorb and understand the pain. That’s the way in which we have always solved or worked to solve injustices: to understand and acknowledge the inter-connectivity.

For purposes of this column, I’m going to focus on Chris Brown, who has come out virtually unscathed from his domestic abuse charges. He is back in action, with a hit album, a tour, and recently as a recipient of three Grammy nominations. His passionate fan base, mostly made up of young girls, is stronger than ever.

I’m a big believer in second, third, fourth chances. I believe most people are fundamentally good and also fundamentally flawed. But I’ll readily admit that when it comes to domestic violence, I find it difficult to forget and move on.

Why?

We now know that the 2009 instance in the car wasn’t the first time Chris Brown had assaulted Rihanna. There is rarely a case of a man hitting a woman just once. Ultimately, domestic violence is not just about the physical assault, but the consistent manipulation, emotional abuse, imposition of fear in the victim. It’s about terrorizing their entire life.

Still, despite every privilege and opportunity, Chris Brown, in my mind, has blown his second chance – for those folks who were interested in giving him one.

Chris Brown could have led a revolution in the way in which we see, treat, and handle domestic violence in our country and served as a beacon of hope for the millions of women and girls who worship him and face abuse. More importantly, he could have spoken directly to the millions of men, who like him, were born into an endless cycle of abuse, witnessing their mothers getting abused and then abusing women themselves.

After he beat, choked, and bit Rihanna, in early 2009, he took an entire week to release a proper statement of apology. A couple of weeks after the incident, he reunited with Rihanna in Miami, and flexed his biceps for the paparazzi while riding a wave runner. A disgusting pose given that those same biceps allowed him to bludgeon Rihanna’s face.

He later went on to fulfill his debt to the court system in Los Angeles County, and since, has done nothing of note to deal with or combat domestic violence. In fact, he has done what millions of men and women do every day in our country, he has demanded to have the issue of domestic violence swept under the rug.

That is why he doesn’t deserve our attention or business.

Chris Brown has moved on – on his own terms, on a shockingly narcissistic level. His behavior is that of an unrepentant man.

In 2010, Chris Brown was on Good Morning America to promote his latest album. When questioned by Robin Roberts about the 2009 incident, he answered coldly: “It’s not a big deal to me now, that situation…I’m past that in my life, today is the album day, so everyone go out and get that album.”

That’s nice. I’m so glad that beating the face of the woman whom you claimed to love is not a big deal anymore to YOU.

Brown later went on to trash his dressing room at the show, breaking a window, after Robin Roberts asked him that one question about the Rihanna situation.

One the same day, he posted this tweet (which was later deleted) on his Twitter account: “I’m so over people bring this past s**t up!!..”

He’s sick of people bringing the past up? Instead of using every moment as a teachable one, instead of addressing the past and confronting his demons, he attacked those who questioned him.

Chris Brown has been enriched not just by men like my friends, but by a legion of young women and girls who follow his every move. What kind of message is he sending to them when he continually mishandles the Rihanna incident(s)? What kind of message are we sending to these same young girls when we repeatedly support him? Hit a woman and you can still be a millionaire superstar?

Apparently and problematically, there is: Boston Public Health Commission conducted a survey of 200 teenagers and found that 46 percent saw Rihanna as responsible for what happened; 52 percent said both bore responsibility, despite knowing that Rihanna’s injuries required hospital treatment. Startling numbers.

I don’t want to give the impression that only men should be held accountable for listening to and supporting artists like Chris Brown. As I’ve mentioned, women and young girls are a big part of his fan base and in supporting him, women are inadvertently fueling the success of a man who disrespects them and helping further erase domestic violence from being a major and visible issue.

The overall statistics on domestic violence are astonishing (and keep in mind these are reported numbers only, many girls and women don’t report or discuss the abuse they have sustained): nearly 1 in 5 teenage girls who have been in a relationship said a boyfriend threatened violence or self-harm if presented with a breakup. Worldwide, at least one in every three women has been beaten, coerced into sex, or otherwise abused during her lifetime.

Of course we continue to hear Chris Brown’s songs, because radio programmers (which, surprise, surprise, are dominated by men) allow these songs to remain on the radio, thus adding to the collective popularity. But programmers are also just doing what we want – they wouldn’t be airing songs we don’t want to hear.

This idea that we shouldn’t support men who do bad things to women becomes increasingly inconvenient for our entertainment consumption with the increase in exposure of bad behavior thanks to the internet. The days of abuse and related activities remaining behind closed doors are virtually over. There is power in using our collective ability to consume media, music, entertainment as a tool and a weapon. And by voting with our dollars and eyes away from Chris Brown and artists who abuse women, we can shift the dynamics of how we, as a society, deal with domestic abuse.

But I’m not immune to this inconvenience…

Sometimes I find myself running across a Chris Brown or R. Kelly song on the car radio when I’m driving (I can’t say the same of Charlie Sheen or Mel Gibson). For a split second, I want to keep the song on…for some reason, it’s just the perfect beat at the perfect time on my drive.

But, unlike my friends, I can’t separate the music from the men, because the image of Rihanna’s bloody and beaten face comes across my mind and the video I’ve seen of R. Kelly urinating on an underage girl is seared into my brain.

And as good as their music sounds, when I think of those images, I think of the women in my life who have loved me and made me who I am. How would I feel if my women friends and colleagues were hurt by men like R. Kelly and Chris Brown, who weren’t repentant in any real way?

I wouldn’t stand for it.

And neither would my two friends at that holiday party. Like me, they love and respect the women in their life.

Listening to or buying Chris Brown’s music or cheering on Charlie Sheen may seem like an innocuous act. It’s just a song or a TV show, right? But when we support these men in any way, even if it’s just listening to the radio, we are adding to the collective attention heaped on the artist. We are adding strength to the ripple effect that allows artists like Chris Brown to succeed and become even more successful.

I hope something changes, because until good men like my friends, refuse to support bad men who harm women, until they see that the harm done to one woman, is harm done to every woman…

Nothing is gonna change.


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Yashar Ali is a Los Angeles-based columnist, commentator, and political veteran whose writings about women, gender inequality, political heroism, and society are showcased on his website, The Current Conscience. Please follow him on Twitter and join him on Facebook.

He will be soon releasing our first short e-book, entitled, A Message To Women From A Man: You Are Not Crazy — How We Teach Men That Women Are Crazy and How We Convince Women To Ignore Their Instincts. If you are interested and want to be notified when the book is released, please click here to sign-up.


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Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 13, 2012 07:52 AM

I'm sure women are glad to know that you're out there...being offended for them.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

JAN 13, 2012 08:00 AM

Better Title: Listening to Chris Brown: An Offense to All Senses.

METOO

METOO

Chicago, IL
October 2011

JAN 13, 2012 08:21 AM

The situation is gonna make a song called "you make me wanna knock you up"

But what to do about the dreamy guys who secretly (or not) are Misogynist?

According to a quick research of you tube Bieber collaborates with Brown, Tyrese and him made that wonderful Pregnant song.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 13, 2012 10:11 AM

If I stopped listening to any band that had members that treat women poorly I would have to delete half my iTunes library. Frank Sinatra, Axl Rose, Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, the drummer from Def Leppard whose name escapes me, the list goes on and on.

What about authors? What about painters? What about filmmakers? We shouldn't watch Rosemary's Baby even though it's a brilliant film, because its auteur is a rapist creep?

If a particular person doesn't want their money or their listening hours to go towards an artist who they find repugnant, far be it from me to judge. But I won't have my feminist credibility dismissed because I choose to indeed separate an artist's output from their personal life.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 13, 2012 11:36 AM

I hope you don't listen to James Brown, Led Zeppelin, or Jackson Browne either.
I hope you don't read Celine, dickens or Faulkner.

Or is it only young black r and b singers who are worthy of your scorn?

mkayal

mkayal

USA
October 2010

JAN 13, 2012 11:45 AM

If every person, and on some spectrum I mean every, person was dismissed for their mistakes, nothing would get done.

That said, I'm with Thistle. Don't let your money go to people you don't like.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 13, 2012 11:56 AM

mkayal said:


That said, I'm with Thistle. Don't let your money go to people you don't like.



Thats not what she said.

CassyLee

CassyLee

Capon Bridge, WV
August 2007

JAN 13, 2012 03:32 PM

I didn't even know who Chris Brown was until everyone started talking about him beating that chick. And really, I don't give a shit. Why are people even still talking about it?

I don't give a shit what musicians do in their personal lives, and I don't understand why other people do. I just want to listen to music, not know their life story so I can judge them.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 13, 2012 08:30 PM

CassyLee said:
I didn't even know who Chris Brown was until everyone started talking about him beating that chick. And really, I don't give a shit. Why are people even still talking about it?



People are still talking about it because it was quite horrible and Brown has never owned up to what he did. And because domestic violence is, you know, sort of a relevant topic to to women and people in general. I see nothing wrong with using Brown's behavior as a jumping off point to discuss the larger epidemic of violence against women, nor do I see anything wrong with "judging" or condemning celebrities who behave like monsters.

I don't give a shit what musicians do in their personal lives, and I don't understand why other people do. I just want to listen to music, not know their life story so I can judge them.



I never understand why people post things like this. If you don't give a shit about a topic why would you read it and then post in it?

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 13, 2012 09:52 PM

Yeah, there's a pretty big big swath of life between "listening to Chris Brown means you hate women" and "I don't care what he did...why are people still talking about it?"

CassyLee

CassyLee

Capon Bridge, WV
August 2007

JAN 14, 2012 09:39 AM

Thistle said:

CassyLee said:
I didn't even know who Chris Brown was until everyone started talking about him beating that chick. And really, I don't give a shit. Why are people even still talking about it?



People are still talking about it because it was quite horrible and Brown has never owned up to what he did. And because domestic violence is, you know, sort of a relevant topic to to women and people in general. I see nothing wrong with using Brown's behavior as a jumping off point to discuss the larger epidemic of violence against women, nor do I see anything wrong with "judging" or condemning celebrities who behave like monsters.

I don't give a shit what musicians do in their personal lives, and I don't understand why other people do. I just want to listen to music, not know their life story so I can judge them.



I never understand why people post things like this. If you don't give a shit about a topic why would you read it and then post in it?



He never owned up to what he did? What do you want him to do? Make a public apology for something he did to his g/f? Why? And if he did people would still say and think he's a bad person.

If I want a jumping off point to discuss domestic violence I talk about, you know, my experience with it. I'm going to share my story, not a celebrities. I don't use media stories to discuss things that are important to me. Because frankly, I don't care about celebrities as much as other people seem to.

If you want to spend your time judging celebrities and/or musicians then that's cool for you. I personally don't keep up on celeb gossip, so I don't know what we're supposed to be judging or who. The only reason I know what happened in this situation is because of the jokes people make about it. I don't even know the real story of what happened, just that he hit a chick. I think I remember seeing the picture somewhere of her face afterwards.

I was going through and reading several of the article threads. I didn't know exactly what this one was going to be about when I clicked on it. Sorry I was bored and reading things, and sorry it seems to offend you so much. I posted my opinion (which was not caring about the subject of Chris Brown) so whoever wrote this would know some people don't care to see articles about not listening to music because the artist did something bad. From now on I'll have to make sure to explain myself better since I wouldn't want you to not understand.

Clio

Clio

SUICIDEGIRL

Netherlands

JAN 14, 2012 09:45 AM

Thistle said:
If I stopped listening to any band that had members that treat women poorly I would have to delete half my iTunes library. Frank Sinatra, Axl Rose, Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, the drummer from Def Leppard whose name escapes me, the list goes on and on.

What about authors? What about painters? What about filmmakers? We shouldn't watch Rosemary's Baby even though it's a brilliant film, because its auteur is a rapist creep?

If a particular person doesn't want their money or their listening hours to go towards an artist who they find repugnant, far be it from me to judge. But I won't have my feminist credibility dismissed because I choose to indeed separate an artist's output from their personal life.


I agree with this 100%

In Chris Brown's defence, he has publicly apologized for the incident [video], and after his sentencing he was commended for working hard to complete his probation, and finished Domestic Violence classes over a year ago. He's been a good boy since then and Rihannah forgave him so I don't know why we're supposed to still resent this person.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 14, 2012 10:04 AM

CassyLee said:

Thistle said:

CassyLee said:
I didn't even know who Chris Brown was until everyone started talking about him beating that chick. And really, I don't give a shit. Why are people even still talking about it?



People are still talking about it because it was quite horrible and Brown has never owned up to what he did. And because domestic violence is, you know, sort of a relevant topic to to women and people in general. I see nothing wrong with using Brown's behavior as a jumping off point to discuss the larger epidemic of violence against women, nor do I see anything wrong with "judging" or condemning celebrities who behave like monsters.

I don't give a shit what musicians do in their personal lives, and I don't understand why other people do. I just want to listen to music, not know their life story so I can judge them.



I never understand why people post things like this. If you don't give a shit about a topic why would you read it and then post in it?



He never owned up to what he did? What do you want him to do? Make a public apology for something he did to his g/f? Why? And if he did people would still say and think he's a bad person.

If I want a jumping off point to discuss domestic violence I talk about, you know, my experience with it. I'm going to share my story, not a celebrities. I don't use media stories to discuss things that are important to me. Because frankly, I don't care about celebrities as much as other people seem to.

If you want to spend your time judging celebrities and/or musicians then that's cool for you. I personally don't keep up on celeb gossip, so I don't know what we're supposed to be judging or who. The only reason I know what happened in this situation is because of the jokes people make about it. I don't even know the real story of what happened, just that he hit a chick. I think I remember seeing the picture somewhere of her face afterwards.


This is so dumb that I question wether you actually read what anyone wrote.

CassyLee

CassyLee

Capon Bridge, WV
August 2007

JAN 14, 2012 10:54 AM

PointBlank said:

CassyLee said:

Thistle said:

CassyLee said:
I didn't even know who Chris Brown was until everyone started talking about him beating that chick. And really, I don't give a shit. Why are people even still talking about it?



People are still talking about it because it was quite horrible and Brown has never owned up to what he did. And because domestic violence is, you know, sort of a relevant topic to to women and people in general. I see nothing wrong with using Brown's behavior as a jumping off point to discuss the larger epidemic of violence against women, nor do I see anything wrong with "judging" or condemning celebrities who behave like monsters.

I don't give a shit what musicians do in their personal lives, and I don't understand why other people do. I just want to listen to music, not know their life story so I can judge them.



I never understand why people post things like this. If you don't give a shit about a topic why would you read it and then post in it?



He never owned up to what he did? What do you want him to do? Make a public apology for something he did to his g/f? Why? And if he did people would still say and think he's a bad person.

If I want a jumping off point to discuss domestic violence I talk about, you know, my experience with it. I'm going to share my story, not a celebrities. I don't use media stories to discuss things that are important to me. Because frankly, I don't care about celebrities as much as other people seem to.

If you want to spend your time judging celebrities and/or musicians then that's cool for you. I personally don't keep up on celeb gossip, so I don't know what we're supposed to be judging or who. The only reason I know what happened in this situation is because of the jokes people make about it. I don't even know the real story of what happened, just that he hit a chick. I think I remember seeing the picture somewhere of her face afterwards.


This is so dumb that I question wether you actually read what anyone wrote.



Really? Why is that? And I read what Thistle wrote because she commented on my post, that's why I responded to her post and not yours. I ignored your post and usually do because most of your comments I see is just you trying to make yourself feel better by dissing other people.

dholokov

dholokov

Toronto, ON
April 2003

JAN 14, 2012 03:41 PM

This idea of separating the artistry from the person is perfectly plausible if the artist, when guilty of making mistakes, is truly repentant. And it’s also plausible when these mistakes do not cause physical harm on other people.

***

The above argument is poor and at least one word is chosen poorly. And your taste in music is bad.

I hope the law finds and metes out appropriate penalty to all those who commit crimes against women. But if these people make media I'm willing to buy, chances are I'm still going to spend $ on it. Unrepentently.

SwagSonOfTrill

SwagSonOfTrill

I'm lost
July 2011

JAN 14, 2012 05:42 PM

Gottdamnit

thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

JAN 14, 2012 07:04 PM

Well, balls. Guess I'll have to throw out my Naked Gun DVD boxset. whatever

On a personal note, I'm this close to getting back to writing about odd news shit or whatever tickles my fancy if it means less of a chance to have this kind of tripe show up on the blog.

Saia

Saia

I'm lost
December 2010

JAN 14, 2012 07:56 PM

As I'm reading this Rihanna's Man Down comes on the radio. Seems to me its all relative.

Personally, I look at the character and values of the individual, and the collective, when deciding where to put my time, money and effort. That's why I joined Suicide Girls. ✌

Selene

Selene

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

JAN 14, 2012 09:44 PM

You wrote a good post with good intentions. While it is almost impossible to find anyone, celebrity or otherwise, without some form of personality defect, it hardly means that we should all just take an "oh well, shit happens" approach. I won't buy any albums or tickets for those men because I don't care for their music, but you are very correct about people too easily dissociating themselves from the pain of others. A good example of this is what is called the "Bystander Effect" in social psychology...people will literally watch a person being stabbed to death and do nothing to help, not even a 911 call, because they want to "mind their own business".
While I doubt a handful of people boycotting an artist will do much, I would suggest to everyone that you do what you can, in your own communities, to prevent domestic (or any other type of) violence. Go volunteer, donate money, raise public awareness, call the police if you think it's happening, talk to your own family, etc... I'm sure those types of actions will go much further towards solving the problem than changing the radio station would. smile

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 14, 2012 10:17 PM

Clio said:

Thistle said:
If I stopped listening to any band that had members that treat women poorly I would have to delete half my iTunes library. Frank Sinatra, Axl Rose, Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, the drummer from Def Leppard whose name escapes me, the list goes on and on.

What about authors? What about painters? What about filmmakers? We shouldn't watch Rosemary's Baby even though it's a brilliant film, because its auteur is a rapist creep?

If a particular person doesn't want their money or their listening hours to go towards an artist who they find repugnant, far be it from me to judge. But I won't have my feminist credibility dismissed because I choose to indeed separate an artist's output from their personal life.


I agree with this 100%

In Chris Brown's defence, he has publicly apologized for the incident [video], and after his sentencing he was commended for working hard to complete his probation, and finished Domestic Violence classes over a year ago. He's been a good boy since then and Rihannah forgave him so I don't know why we're supposed to still resent this person.



I stand corrected, thank you for the additional information.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 14, 2012 10:18 PM

dholokov said:
This idea of separating the artistry from the person is perfectly plausible if the artist, when guilty of making mistakes, is truly repentant. And it’s also plausible when these mistakes do not cause physical harm on other people.



This contradicts itself.

The above argument is poor and at least one word is chosen poorly. And your taste in music is bad.



Who are you talking to here?

I hope the law finds and metes out appropriate penalty to all those who commit crimes against women. But if these people make media I'm willing to buy, chances are I'm still going to spend $ on it. Unrepentently.



Completely agree.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JAN 14, 2012 10:50 PM

I wouldn't fault someone for not purchasing media--or anything else--made by a person whose values the prospective buyer disagrees with, whether it's drugging and raping a girl or beating a girlfriend or voting for Rick Santorum. But to castigate others for doing so is yellow ribbon crap.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 15, 2012 12:44 AM

Here's what I said when Ike Turner died, in a thread that was much more contentious and interesting than this :


My question is:
Has James Brown made enough good music to allow him to beat his wife? How much great music can you make to forgive something like beating your wife?

The answer has to be: no, and none. So, we either condemn all the great artists who have done horrible things (and the list is longer than just Ike Turner, though he seems to be the only one to carry the stigma forever) and ignore their many accomplishments and beauty they've added to the world, and only focus on the ugliness that they've added to it.

Or, we condemn what must be condemned, and applaud the things that they've done that have added to our enjoyment on earth. The fact that Ike Turner hasn't been recognized for being one of the very very few architects of rock, soul and R&B, is a shame in my opinion. It's not as though his problems and mistakes were ignored when he was alive.



TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

JAN 15, 2012 01:37 AM

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