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Drama

Columbus, OH
January 2003

SEP 01, 2011 07:01 AM

By Damon Martin



It's a known fact that outside of some Ewok problems in Return of the Jedi, the original Star Wars series was always thought of by nerds, geeks and fans alike as the perfect movie trilogy.

A great set up and beginning with Star Wars IV: A New Hope to the ultimate downer ending with The Empire Strikes Back, all the way to Darth Vader's redemption in Return of the Jedi.

Well, creator George Lucas apparently can't learn to just leave well alone. As if he hadn't altered the Star Wars universe enough with past revisions when the trilogy was re-released in theaters a few years back, not to mention the prequel trilogy, he's gone and messed with perfection once again.

With the Star Wars films set to be released on Blu-Ray on Sept 16, Lucas has made what seems like a minor change that pretty much every fan boy and girl will react with harsh criticism, no doubt along similar lines to this article.

In the final scenes – where Emperor Palpatine is electrocuting Luke Skywalker, and his father turned evil minion Darth Vader finally steps back into daddy mode, lifting his boss over his head and tossing him down a giant well –– will now include one extra part.

Like Wyatt Earp in the film Tombstone, Vader will now bellow out the word 'Noooo!' just as he lifts the Emperor in the air and tosses him to his final grave. The addition echoes the final scenes in Revenge of the Sith where Vader first takes form and screams a smililar 'Noooo!' when he finds out his lovely Padme is no more.

It's one thing to add to Vader's humanity, but when it's as cheesy as the scene looks and sounds now, the world's ultimate badass loses just a bit of his luster.

Check out the scene and see if you say “Yes, George Lucas should have absolutely added this in, it's vital.” Or if you just wanted to scream 'Noooo!'

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

SEP 01, 2011 07:14 AM

Really, I think it's inconsequential.

hor

hor

USA
June 2005

SEP 01, 2011 08:05 AM


Marketing ploy.

Also, I thought Mr. Miyagi was the world's ultimate badass.

Sivart

Sivart

Saskatoon, SK
June 2004

SEP 01, 2011 08:13 AM

honestly, i think it fits.

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

SEP 01, 2011 08:27 AM

Watched the clip. It's fine. Not nearly as bad as the Revenge of the Sith, "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"

But then, I don't really give a fuck about Star Wars so maybe there's some reason this is stupid that I'm not seeing.

JustJinni

JustJinni

USA
April 2010

SEP 01, 2011 08:31 AM

as a geek, i have been extremely annoyed with some of the changes made to the original trilogy in its multiple incarnations...

as an artist, i recognize that it belongs to george, and he has a right to do whatever he wants with it, and i have the option to not purchase it if i don't want to. i sure don't want anyone else telling me that i'm not "allowed" to change my own work!

in this case, though...this change really doesn't bother me. in fact, this is a change that i think makes perfect sense. and i will definitely be purchasing the set, just as i have bought every other version in the past.

Cassiel

Cassiel

Aurora, CO
September 2004

SEP 01, 2011 10:33 AM

zoom image

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

SEP 01, 2011 11:33 AM

Back in poetry class, my old professor told us "No piece is ever finished; it can only be a draft." I think that fits with what Lucas keeps doing with Star Wars.

Either that or he likes hearing the screams of nerds.

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

SEP 01, 2011 11:33 AM

Google around for a torrent of the "despecialized editions" of the original trilogy if you despair of there never being an HD version of the unaltered original trilogy. I have them. I've seen them. They're fucking good.

Basically fans have gone back through every available source of the original movies, the laserdisc, HDTV broadcasts, Blu-Rays, DVDs, etc, and reconstructed HD versions of the original movies as they once were by using the best available source for each individual scene, cleaned up and error corrected to fix things like lightsabers being the wrong color, etc. It's really impressive.

McKenneth

McKenneth

Macedon, NY
August 2005

SEP 01, 2011 11:54 AM

If Lucas wants to continue fucking with the series, that's his right. But as a fan who is, at least in some small way, responsible for his largess and success in the business (given the thousands I've spent on Star Wars products over the years), I don't think it's asking too much for him to just release the original versions that I loved growing up in a format that does them justice. The non-anamorphic widescreen versions that were released a few years ago do not fit that bill.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

SEP 01, 2011 12:11 PM

DO NOT WANT (Get it? Get it?)

Vader's silent Emperor-tossing actually had a fairly significant impact on my perception of what a badass is. So, I actually really don't want. Whatever, though, it's not like I'd bother buying it regardless.

Kolic

Kolic

Tulsa, OK
July 2004

SEP 01, 2011 12:35 PM

motorfirebox said:
DO NOT WANT (Get it? Get it?)

Vader's silent Emperor-tossing actually had a fairly significant impact on my perception of what a badass is. So, I actually really don't want. Whatever, though, it's not like I'd bother buying it regardless.



This. After watching the clip, it wasn't as bad as I expected, but the original was a case of less is more. Let's nerd out for a bit (and disregard the prequels for a sec)

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

As a viewer, disregarding how well even non-fans know the story, here's basically what we're told just in the original trilogy: Anakin Skywalker was Luke's father and a great Jedi Knight and pilot, but fell from grace and, as we find out in Empire, turned into the obsidian monolith of menace that is Darth Vader. Luke tries his damnedest to convince him that there is still good left in him and he can turn back, but it takes seeing his own son being tortured for him to finally snap out of it and kill his master. By doing it silently in the original, I thought it came off as there was more of an inner struggle for him to do it, that it was extraordinarily difficult for him to free himself from the corruption.

While I actually kind of like the prequels (And I can explain my viewpoint on that if need to defend myself for speaking against nerd mainstream.), the guy they had playing Anakin, Hayden whatever, didn't pull off the role well at all. Other than bad dialogue, I thought the story arc that Anakin took, how he was manipulated, used, and fell to the Dark Side, was good. But without a decent actor to pull it off, you get the whiny emo kid we got. And add this in, and the whole ghost-change at the end of Return that's been there since the dvds were released a few years ago, and Vader loses his menace. You just see Hayden-what's-his-face in the costume trying to act tough, but you don't buy it the way you used to unless you disconnect yourself from the overall story that the prequels added.


So yeah. Nerd rant and story analysis.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

SEP 01, 2011 12:46 PM

I can definitely see that. For me it's a little simpler. A badass doesn't talk about throwing you down a reactor shaft, he doesn't cry about throwing you down a reactor shaft, he picks your ass up and throws you down the reactor shaft and your pissant little lighting tricks don't mean shit to him because he's a badass.

McKenneth

McKenneth

Macedon, NY
August 2005

SEP 01, 2011 02:29 PM

^THIS!

Bizzaro83

Bizzaro83

Australia
December 2009

SEP 02, 2011 01:46 AM

Hey have any of you seen that he changed the part where luke take of the helmet so that you see hayden christians head instead now NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! , is all i have to say

christophe129

christophe129

Nashua, NH
June 2005

SEP 02, 2011 01:19 PM

Silence spoke so much more to complex emotions the audience perceived him feeling. Now it just comes off as, "Vader do not like." It dumbs down a really poignant moment, too bad. Lucas seems to hate us all since Jar jar.

DucksAreCrazy

DucksAreCrazy

Lexington, KY
December 2006

SEP 02, 2011 01:36 PM

Hey, if Lucas wants to go back and change shit in his old films, more power to him. This is not any worse than the stupid dance scene in the palace, or Greedo shooting first. Or the prequels.

Star Wars may be the only thing from my childhood I can think back on without cringing, because it really was better back then.

KevDawgg

KevDawgg

Denver, CO
July 2010

SEP 02, 2011 01:58 PM

Dear Lucas, QUIT FUCKIN WITH STAR WARS! EVERYTHING WAS JUST FINE UNTIL YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH AND TAKE ONE HUGE DUMP AFTER ANOTHER ON YOUR GREATEST CREATION!
-Kevin
PS, I'm not gonna buy it on blue-ray so I really don't care but please, just stop and leave well enough alone.

Ferretbite

Ferretbite

Mexico
September 2006

SEP 02, 2011 02:48 PM

In the immortal words of Darth Vader:

'Yippee!'

puke

CeeMax

CeeMax

Kittery, ME
January 2010

SEP 02, 2011 03:33 PM

I think the silence worked so much better. For me Vader silently and determinately throwing the Emporer down the reactor shaft was emotionally powerful. Hearing Vader yell 'Nooooo!' takes away from that. So that is my nostalgic nerd take, but it is George's movie so it is his to tweak to fit his vision. Sometimes though less is more.

Louis_XIV

Louis_XIV

France
August 2007

SEP 02, 2011 03:37 PM

Shouldn't he rather yell "Do not want"?

SwagSonOfTrill

SwagSonOfTrill

I'm lost
July 2011

SEP 02, 2011 03:44 PM

He should just put "Director's Cut" on the box and all the artsy folks will dig it.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

SEP 02, 2011 04:01 PM

Yeah, you know, I'm okay with it in this case.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 02, 2011 04:04 PM

Nerds get mad at the silliest things.

Sal_

Sal_

USA
October 2009

SEP 02, 2011 04:06 PM

meh, lucas has every right to fuck up his cash cow.

I have never really invested the money in star wars merch that other people have so I am at best, indifferent, though I still think its a bit wonky to keep trying to tack on new bits to an old warhorse that has proved its mettle.

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