Cockzombie said:
I will say though, that I doubt you are suffering from "orthorexia" (which is the emphasis on a diet that IS, by definition, healthy.) given that in one of your more recent public blogs you were excited about scoring some free crack.
And?!?!?!?? What the FUCK does using recreational drugs have to do with your diet?
I don't know about you, but when I indulge in #towelietime my diet gets pretty unhealthy. Chips, candy, ice cream, and the burrito I'm about to go mow down.
I suppose I'm an 'adult picky eater'. Part of it is that I have hyper senses; not just taste, but smell, sight and hearing as well. Foods that most people consider bland are quite flavorful to me, and things that normal people consider to be only mildly spicy are horrifically hot to me. Some foods, like pretty much all seafood, I can't stand the smell of, so much that I can't even get it past my nose and into my mouth to even try to taste. Then there are foods that I can't stand the texture of; peas, for example. In addition to all of that, I also have some form of generalized IBS, and there are a lot of foods that, though I may find tasty, will have me spending half the day on the toilet.
I hate going to restaurants with other people, because they always want to go someplace with 'exotic' (re: ultra spicy) food. Even if they have something on the menu that I might be interested in, I have to worry about if I'm going to be able to make it home to my own bathroom in time, or am I going to have to use a public toilet that some asshole pissed all over. That's been a huge problem for me at work and when I was in school as well. Many days, I simply go all day without any food until I get home. Then, some days, I just don't feel like going through all the hassle of preparing something, or there's nothing I can think of to make that I'm not just plain sick and tired of eating, so I just go hungry.
Maybe it is a first-world problem. If I ever got to the point of true, gut-wrenching, starvation-level hunger, I'd probably eat whatever was offered to me. Sometimes, though, I wish food just came in a convenient little pill form, complete with a full day's supply of nutrients. All you have to do is take your pill once a day, and you don't have to worry about preparing food (and cleaning up afterwards), or being stuck using a disgusting public restroom.
Cockzombie said:
I will say though, that I doubt you are suffering from "orthorexia" (which is the emphasis on a diet that IS, by definition, healthy.) given that in one of your more recent public blogs you were excited about scoring some free crack.
And?!?!?!?? What the FUCK does using recreational drugs have to do with your diet?
I don't know about you, but when I indulge in #towelietime my diet gets pretty unhealthy. Chips, candy, ice cream, and the burrito I'm about to go mow down.
Heh, it's funny you mention pot. I actually stopped using pot (alone, in my home) because I didn't like how my diet got on it. I don't eat chips or microwave meals or anything like that, mainly because I don't keep it around in my house. When I'm on it I still eat pretty healthy things like toasted mochi balls and sliced apples. But when I get stoned, I eat soooo much since I cannot feel that I'm full. So the next day, my stomach is in pains all day and I'm having the runs so much I feel like I've got dysentery.
One time, I ate so much like a pig that I actually PUKED on myself. That was the day I told myself, "Alright, THAT'S IT! NO MORE getting stoned!!!" So now, the only time I allow myself to partake in any form of THC, is when I'm outdoors, with friends, with no chance of me raiding a fridge.
It's interesting, though. On drugs (particularly hard drugs), my diet actually gets a lot BETTER. I think it's because I realize the damage that I'm potentially doing to my body, so I try to over-compensate for it by focusing my diet more on things like greens, salmon, and drinking tons of water. I swear, drinking all that water over the years is the reason I still have perfect functioning kidneys.
Other drugs such as cocaine, crack, meth can cause or contribute to poor eating habits. They also could change the way your body metabolizes food and nutrients. I don't think much research has been done on how, for example, a daily crack habit might effect the body's ability to absorb calcium. There is some research to suggest that caffeine may slightly impair absorption of calcium; who's to say other drugs might not have similar effects?
Also, the whole point of eating healthy is to a) actually be healthy b) stay alive longer and c) look attractive. Since hard drug habits fuck up all three of those things I think it's safe to say they fall under the same umbrella as diet.
I am a very picky eater. I hate most fruits and vegetables. Taste, texture and smell are all pretty repulsive to me. People are constantly giving me a hard time about it and telling me how I'll die of colon cancer or a heart in a few years. Trust me, if I could eat a salad, I would, if only to put an end to the constant scrutiny and annoying questions (how can you not like broccoli?) and have a conversation about something else.
Mantis said:
Absolutely. And I could see how for some people who are suseptible to eating disorders could be triggered by a raw diet. It could make some people go there, without a doubt. But is it it's own disorder or a subset of anorexia? The medical community is saying so far that it is not it's own diorder. That could change, and I hope it does so that differnt treatment options are explored for anorexia and other eating disorders. But for now it is not a disorder.
Just to clarify it's not the raw diet itself that would be considered a disorder. It's the disordered view of food that leads to an obsession with purity and cleanliness and very, very restricted diet.
It seems like we're on the same page here but I just want to be clear that the raw diet in and of itself isn't to me (or I think the medical community) a sign of disordered eating - it's more that this kind of disorder lends itself very well to a raw diet (if this comes to be considered its own disorder).
Right. This orthorexia thing isn't an attempt to pathologize normal behavior; it's an attempt to describe a variety of eating-disordered behaviors, "disorder" being the key word here. Cutting certain foods from your diet is not in and of itself a problem; it is a problem when doing so hinders you from living life. Going on a diet is not in and of itself a problem; starving yourself is.
I get frustrated when people look at the basics of a mental health problem, draw a direct parallel to "normal" behaviors that seem similar to the hallmarks of that problem, and conclude that the problem is therefore normal and therefore not a problem. It happens with depression all the time: "Everyone gets sad. That's normal; that's not a problem. Popping pills so you'll never be sad is wrong/lazy/self-indulgent/weak." Feeling sadness is totally normal. Depression has some similarities to the common feeling of sadness. But they're not the same thing. Having a beer every now and again and being a fall-down-drunk alcoholic have alcohol in common, but they're not the same thing. And following a particular dietary regimen and orthorexia have food and food choices in common, but (wait for it!) they're not the same thing.
That's obvious to us but I guarantee that if this becomes a 'thing' right wingers will tangle veganism and raw diets up in it. Easily.
No, they really won't (and by "they," I mean "society at large," because I don't get where right-wingers come into this over anyone else--being left-leaning doesn't make someone an automatic fan of raw food diets and veganism). They'll continue to dismiss you as a hippie weirdo, and they'll continue to dismiss people who actually might have disordered eating habits that match this theoretical "orthorexia" diagnosis as people whining about nothing or being victimized by a society that wants to label everything a "problem" so that no one will ever have to feel bad feelings and why are we catering to fat people anyway there's nothing wrong with a healthy diet blah blah blah. It won't become a "thing," because our culture overall would much rather spend its time shaming people than treating them when they need it.
As the article mentioned, a main reason mental health professionals spend time trying to come up with new names for various collections of behaviors and symptoms like this is because until there's an official diagnosis for it, that 68-pound chick who only eats broccoli isn't getting her insurance to pay a dime to treat her, and the researchers who want to look further into it aren't going to get much more than that in funding. Even when there is a diagnosis, insurance companies are notoriously terrible about covering treatment for eating disorders only up to the point that you've gained a few pounds back and aren't passing out every time you stand up and then calling it quits. No one's trying to pathologize veganism or raw-foodism or gluten-freeism or paleo-whateverthefuck-ism. They're trying to get a name for patients who come to them saying that their obsession with eating only certain foods is getting in the way of living normal, healthy lives so that more research can be done to improve understanding and treatment of their condition and so that those patients can maybe get the insurance plan they're paying through the nose for to kick in a buck or two to help get that treatment.
maybe you didn't read the entire article- or you think pasta with butter, mac and cheese, and chicken nuggets healthy?
Again, I'm primarily referring to "orthorexia"--which is the emphasis on a diet that IS, by definition, healthy.
No I think the article is weird and didn't tackle this right. Just cause you only eat vegetables, doesn't make a person healthy. This sounds like a smaller section of obsessive compulsive disorder only it's regulated to food. It sounds even MORE like OCD because its treated in the same way.
Honestly if a friend of mine told me she was only eating broccoli and cauliflower, I would start watching to make sure she wasn't anorexic. Limiting your calorie content to something so low is way dangerous.
Being Picky is me, I don't eat beans, I don't eat onions, I don't eat peppers because I hate them and I'm grown and no one can make me anymore. lol I don't dig this article and maybe it just wasn't written well enough.
ANYONE can abuse anything. Food, Pills, Weed, Exercise. Whether it is originally good or bad for you is not the issue, it is the abuse that makes this a problem. In the case of these people, a healthy diet consists of meat, bread, vegatables, fruits and healthy fats NOT only 1 of those items and fixating on said 1 item and only eating it whether you think it's healthy or not is abusing that food. Just like we say people who drink a liter of soda everyday are abusing their bodies by giving it too much caffeine and sugar, you can harm yourself by doing too much of a good thing.
Same goes with weed, I know a bunch of recreational users who are still smart, bright awesome people. I also know a few people who've abused it to the point where they do nothing but sit in their dorm room and smoke... 18 hours a day. It consumes them entirely and they have no life other than marijuana. I would say that's a pretty bad thing and would constitute abuse of a substance. Same goes with booze, pills or whatever your poison may be.
The real disease here is in the persons head, not in what they are doing. Replace "healthy eating" up there with any drug and we'd be like "that person is an addict", just because it's not your normal drug doesn't mean it can't harm them.
Thistle said:
Other drugs such as cocaine, crack, meth can cause or contribute to poor eating habits. They also could change the way your body metabolizes food and nutrients. I don't think much research has been done on how, for example, a daily crack habit might effect the body's ability to absorb calcium. There is some research to suggest that caffeine may slightly impair absorption of calcium; who's to say other drugs might not have similar effects?
But... how? How would you go about numerically incorporating drugs into your diet? I can see how it should be included in overall health...... but diet?
When I eat a piece of fish, I know that fish contains X calories, Xg of protein, Xmg of sodium, Xg of fat, and whatever else.
Are being deliberately obtuse? Does anything in my post sound like you're supposed to figure out the nutrients in different drugs?
No, what I said is that it's possible certain drugs affect the way bodies absorb nutrients in the food you eat. Furthermore if your goal in dieting is to be healthy, extend your lifespan, and look good, then it's a good idea to lay off the drugs because they work in opposition to all those goals.
They aren't part of your diet in the sense of having calories and nutrients. They are something you ingest, though, and therefore must be considered when planning a healthy lifestyle.
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SUICIDEGIRL
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APR 28, 2011 01:46 AM