"Slut-shaming" is exemplified by the double-standard that says that if a man has many sexual partners, he's a hot stud, while if a woman does the same, she's a filthy skank. It's a heavily entrenched idea in our society, and it's constantly and often subtly reinforced by both men and women. Even the word I just used, "stud," demonstrates the problem. How many words can you think of that positively refer to a promiscuous man? How many, without qualifiers, can you think of for a woman? Few can say we've never been guilty of propagating this bias, oftentimes born out of jealousy, insecurity, and shame about our own desires.
So how do we rid ourselves of this antiquated thought process? As with many intuitive but revolutionary ideas, shaping the next generation's minds probably offers better hope than teaching old dogs new tricks, but talking to your children about sex at all is notoriously awkward and difficult - much less raising them to be sex positive and unencumbered by gender bias. Luckily, we've got amazing mothers like Good Vibrations Magazine's Airial Clark to show us how it can be done.
"Mom, I'm a nerd." He said to me as he climbed in the backseat of our car. He sounded resolute. Like, some deal had been sealed and all there was left to do was accept the consequences. But, really, being a nerd has never bothered him before. His version of nerd has a lil swagger to it. But today there was none of that, "girls don't like me. I'm too nerdy. I'm not cool enough. Not dangerous. Not s..." and that is when the gush of words stopped abruptly.
"Were you about to say sexy? You're worried about not being sexy? Really, E, are you supposed to be sexy in the 5th grade?"
"Some people are!"
"Ya? Like who?"
After making me promise I wouldn't call the school and make a deal about it, he confided in me that some of his classmates were kissing after school. He then told me about a girl in his class, Z, and how she had kissed 3 boys this year, "3, Mom! Can you imagine? And everybody knows. She just kisses whoever she wants and her sister is so embarrassed. I don't blame her, I would be ashamed to have my sister act like that! Sheesh."
Wait? What? This is where it gets interesting for me as a sex positive parent. My son just went from wishing he was sexy to shaming a girl for being just that? I rolled up my sleeves and got ready to do some unpacking.
Slut-shaming has serious consequences. Barely a month ago, a Canadian judge gave a convicted rapist zero jail-time because he thought the victim had given a "perceived invitation" because her revealing clothing indicated "sex was in the air," and dismissed the rape as "inconsiderate." This is sadly far from the only example of this sort of injustice. Slut-shaming is often done, it's believed, out of a misguided attempt to encourage healthy behavior in so-called "good girls," but as Leora Tanenbaum says in her book Slut! Growing Up Female with a Bad Reputation, the use of a "bad reputation" as a form of sexual control can cause lasting damage:
A reputation acquired in adolescence can damage a young woman's self-perception for years. She may become a target for other forms of harassment and even rape, since her peers see her as "easy" and therefore not entitled to say "no." She may become sexually active with a large number of partners (even if she had not been sexually active before her reputation). Or she may shut down her sexual side completely, wearing baggy clothes and being unable to allow a boyfriend to even kiss her.
Let's just hope that, with moms like Airial on the job, fewer women will have to face this problem in the next generation.
I too am in complete agreement with everything written in this article. Fortunately my circle of friends is extremely open-minded and engages in, uhm.... let's just say, *unconventional* sexual behavior. LOL. So I'm lucky I grew up in an area where I never had to feel ashamed for my scandalous sexcapades. I'm sure if I lived somewhere like in the midwest it would be a whooooole different story.
Historically, "slut shaming" has been used as a way to control and manipulate women's behavior, and make them docile. I definitely feel sorry for people who have been coerced out of sexual experimentation due to social pressures.
I'm not even gay, but there's nothing sexier than a woman who is completely in touch with her inner sexual beast. I mean fuck, porn isn't even hot to look at unless it looks like the woman is REALLY fucking enjoying what she's doing. Real, raw, female pleasure is the biggest turn-on in the world. There's nothing hotter than seeing a chick getting gangbanged by 6 guys and she's having REAL, mind-blowing orgasms, creaming load after load from her gushing waterfall of a cunt. It's one of those things that makes you go, "Holy FUCK I wish I had her vagina!!!!"
Unfortunately, that Canadian judge is not the only douchebag giving us a bad name:
On January 24th, a representative of the Toronto Police gave shocking insight into the Force’s view of sexual assault by stating: “women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized.”
Fortunately, that idiotic statement gave birth to Slut Walk Toronto. There will also be satellite walks for those who cannot attend in Toronto. I think this could be a great way to protest against both slut-shaming and victim blaming!!!
Clidna said:
Unfortunately, that Canadian judge is not the only douchebag giving us a bad name:
On January 24th, a representative of the Toronto Police gave shocking insight into the Force’s view of sexual assault by stating: “women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized.”
Damn. That's some shit I would expect from the Taliban.
Seriously, people should be able to have the freedom to walk around butt-ass naked without inviting a fucking RAPE. Or does that judge actually believe guys are too stupid and inept to act upon conscientious thought before erroneous sexual impulse? Amazing. If I were a man I would be equally offended by this poor depiction of both genders.
Clidna said:
Unfortunately, that Canadian judge is not the only douchebag giving us a bad name:
On January 24th, a representative of the Toronto Police gave shocking insight into the Force’s view of sexual assault by stating: “women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized.”
Damn. That's some shit I would expect from the Taliban.
Seriously, people should be able to have the freedom to walk around butt-ass naked without inviting a fucking RAPE. Or does that judge actually believe guys are too stupid and inept to act upon conscientious thought before erroneous sexual impulse? Amazing. If I were a man I would be equally offended by this poor depiction of both genders.
These kind of comments from police and judges do make me ponder.
Does that mean that by people should avoid using nudist beaches to avoid rape/assault? Silly.
SG_Blog said:
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Slut-shaming has serious consequences. Barely a month ago, a Canadian judge gave a convicted rapist zero jail-time because he thought the victim had given a "perceived invitation" because her revealing clothing indicated "sex was in the air," and dismissed the rape as "inconsiderate." This is sadly far from the only example of this sort of injustice.
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While I do agree with the general statement, I don't think this is a good example. As I read the story there is no proof against the facts lying like this: She went with him into the woods and was okay with kissing and foreplay but then decided that she does not really want this ... however since he was so much bigger and stronger and overall seamed aggressive she was to afraid to say that clear and unmistakably, much less decided to physically resist.
And since in cases of rape the burden of proof lies on the accused he was sentenced guilty because he should have read her mind (well probably he could have read her body language and scared looks if he hadn't been a drunk, dumb fool but that should not be punishable), or should not have looked so aggressive, that she is afraid of stopping it during the foreplay.
And to the defense of the judge's words: If the victim does not unmistakably say that she does not want to, the "rapist" has to judge from other sources, whether she is condensing. And both, the victim's closes and her prior behavior play a role in this.
Now, if "she had it coming, dressing like this" was the only thing the judge said about it, this would be a bad judgment but that part takes 5 seconds to say and a good juristic opinion takes like 3 to 5 minutes and I guess he said something in the remaining 2 Minutes 55 to put that into context.
As far as my opinion goes, here I have no gender bias, I would have the same opinion if a man was saying he was raped, because he was afraid to tell a woman / other man that he does not want to and -if necessary- to defend himself. (just that I never heard a case like that)
I have no problem with any clothes, I like looking at good looking women in sexy clothes, I'm just saying, if your closes seam "Fuck me", and you don't want to, you have to shout "No! Stop!" even louder. I see no Slut-Shaming there.
Mythos_ said:
I have no problem with any clothes, I like looking at good looking women in sexy clothes, I'm just saying, if your closes seam "Fuck me", and you don't want to, you have to shout "No! Stop!" even louder. I see no Slut-Shaming there.
Sorry, just because you don't see slut-shaming there doesn't mean it's not. In fact, it kind of fits the definition of Slut Shaming. And Super Creepy Opinions, too. Your post basically reads as "I'd never slut shame...but here, have a lot of slut-shaming!".
For the record, clothes don't "scream" anything. They're inanimate objects.
Mythos_ said:
And since in cases of rape the burden of proof lies on the accused he was sentenced guilty because he should have read her mind (well probably he could have read her body language and scared looks if he hadn't been a drunk, dumb fool but that should not be punishable)
What do you really think is more likely?:
1. The guy was a rapist and knew exactly what he was doing
2. The guy was actually so stupid he couldn't tell that that woman absolutely did NOT want to have sex with him
On top of that, even if he was just a "drunk, dumb fool", that doesn't make rape not rape. Plenty of rapists don't think they did anything wrong.
"After my first lesbian encounter, I went through a period where I was asking myself: Am I gay? Am I straight? And then I realized....... I'm just slutty. Where's MY parade?!"
--by Margaret Cho (LMAO!)
Skank it up, TFOK!
Edit: Holy fucking shit, reading some of the threads in that group is the funniest shit I've seen on this site. It's pure gold. I'm soooooo joining this group! Man, I can't wait to read about all the sluts' most fucked up, disgusting sexual experiences. This is gonna be EPIC.
Morgan said:
On top of that, even if he was just a "drunk, dumb fool", that doesn't make rape not rape. Plenty of rapists don't think they did anything wrong.
This. I am so sick of people acting as though the impaired judgement of being drunk is an excuse for vastly inappropriate & destructive behaviour.
You know what? I've gotten really hammered before. And yet I have never raped or sexually assaulted someone, I've never killed anybody, and I've never said racist stuff. (And I've been fucking wasted.) All three are behaviours routinely chalked up to "being drunk". NO. Being a rapist makes you a rapist, not being drunk.
Morgan said:
For the record, clothes don't "scream" anything. They're inanimate objects.
Sorry, I was metaphorically. I'm not very good at this.
And even if you say I still fit the description although the only difference I make between the genders here is that I speak about cases of women actually and men only theoretically, I do not say: "It's less criminal to rape slutty dressing people" or something.
I just say that simply because someone says that slutty clothes play a role in the fair level of the punishment in some cases, this is no general statement that "It's less criminal to rape slutty dressing people".
Morgan said:
What do you really think is more likely?:
1. The guy was a rapist and knew exactly what he was doing
2. The guy was actually so stupid he couldn't tell that that woman absolutely did NOT want to have sex with him
On top of that, even if he was just a "drunk, dumb fool", that doesn't make rape not rape. Plenty of rapists don't think they did anything wrong.
I know, I take my trust in humanity and "in doubt for the accused" very far here but I don't want to think of this in probabilities but possibilities. As a support, the linked news even says: "He said Rhodes never threatened the woman, didn't have a weapon..."
Given enough alcohol in her blood and enough darkness in the forest at night and a late enough decision on her part not to want sex, maybe that does not even need too much stupidity.
As a further support, the only mentioned injury was to the knee. Maybe I overestimate my ability of imagination but I guess if I got raped I would have far worse injuries and the attacker would not dream about pleading that he did not realize that I do not want. But maybe I'm to much ignorant to the differences of the genders here.
Well, the judge sentenced him guilty (do they have criminal law or common law in Canada?), so it was probably at least punishable negligent. But this makes this rape a lot different from other cases of rape where the victim tried to defend itself or the crime was committed with so much planing and insidiousness that it had no chance. And I think 2 years on probation, 1 year house arrest, that is definitely enough punishment for a negligent crime by someone who has never committed a crime before (*check* well, at least this Canadian sex offender registry is not public).
But I'm such a heartless person, who thinks that punishment should not depend on the victim at all and if it prevents further crimes as good as a higher sentence it should always be the lowest possible sentence because everything else is just revenge and no justice.
The way someone is dressed should never, ever have any weight in sentencing or convicting her rapist. Never. Not even if she's wearing a shirt that says "please rape me."
Thistle said:
The way someone is dressed should never, ever have any weight in sentencing or convicting her rapist. Never. Not even if she's wearing a shirt that says "please rape me."
Really. It's basically the same thing as saying that I'm inviting rape by posing naked on the internet.
People find it difficult to grasp the concept that even prostitutes can, and very often do, get raped. So I don't care if she was a slut-ass ho with triple F cups banging 80 cocks and a donkey all at once on film. EVEN THEN, that STILL doesn't warrant sexual assault. Period.
And think of an extreme example of an accused who actually uses his outfit to signalize his willingness to have sex and an victim that is a combination of too scared and too drunk say anything when she realizes that she does not want sex.
Accused: "How should I have known she has acted exactly like I would act if I wanted it."
Victim: "I am allowed to dress however I want, you should have read my mind, instead of drawing conclusions from the only evidence you see and your own personality."
In any case, the dress is definitely the least in a number of coincidental circumstances, which is why I said, that in the case above the judge should have better spend only the 5 seconds statement about the clothes, that were quoted in the article while spending the main part of his opinion on more important facts like the prior behavior, most of all the lack of any resistance and thus the offenders unawareness of what he is doing.
(And not "morally unawareness in a sociopathical sense" as Morgan hints to, with "Plenty of rapists don't think they did anything wrong" above, but actual unawareness of facts)
Mythos_ said:
As a support, the linked news even says: "He said Rhodes never threatened the woman, didn't have a weapon..."
Given enough alcohol in her blood and enough darkness in the forest at night and a late enough decision on her part not to want sex, maybe that does not even need too much stupidity.
If the accused was truly "confused", the right thing to do would have been to seek a clear and uncoerced "yes", thus removing any question about consent. Assuming that someone has consented when you're unsure is at the very least creepy behavior and at the worst flat out rape. Seriously, what kind of person reacts to a potential sex partner acting uncomfortable or unsure with anything but a "are you sure you want to do this?" or something similar?
Mythos_ said:
As a further support, the only mentioned injury was to the knee. Maybe I overestimate my ability of imagination but I guess if I got raped I would have far worse injuries and the attacker would not dream about pleading that he did not realize that I do not want. But maybe I'm to much ignorant to the differences of the genders here.
You are ignorant and it has nothing to do with "the differences of the genders". Women and men are raped without any injuries at all. Not having an injury is irrelevant.
Mythos_ said:But this makes this rape a lot different from other cases of rape where the victim tried to defend itself
Because someone saying no or indicating in the present that they do not want to have sex trumps any impression their clothing might make. I can't believe I have to spell that out for you.
People have the right to wear whatever clothing they want, whenever they want, without fear of being raped as a result.
I think the issue in this case is the law itself. In Canada, if consent is not given, then sex is legally non-consensual (ie, if they don't say yes, then they're considered to have said no). The question is what defines consent, and that's not a simple matter under Canadian law. Consent doesn't have to be verbal; if 'reasonable grounds' exist that indicate the accuser was consenting, then consent is assumed to exist.
So it's this weird combination of a really tough anti-rape stance that still blames the victim. If you don't have consent, you're committing rape! But if she looks like she's consenting, and she doesn't try to stop you, then she must have been consenting. Which is the problem--by taking the victim's clothing and demeanor into consideration, the judge was doing exactly what Canadian law says he should do.
In this particular case, I don't think the rape charges would have stood in any US court. As best I can tell, the victim did not say "no" at any point. She didn't make any direct indication that she didn't want to have sex. This isn't a case of "she said no, but her miniskirt said yes", this is a case where the victim kissed the accused and held hands with him and, at some point, decided she didn't want to have sex with him but didn't tell the guy she'd been kissing about her decision.
Yes, but at a different level of guilt and thus needing a different level of punishment. That's really important for a juristic system. The guy who thinks that "unless she says NO, she means yes" needs a different lesson from society, then the boss who thinks that he owns his illegal workers so he can force sex with them, who again needs a different lesson then the psychopath who keeps a victim in his cellar for years, regularly beating and raping her - plus the public safety demands other punishment here.
And that's only one point for "rape is not all the same". You also want to prevent an 'In for a penny, in for a pound' mentality, where a negligent rapist notices half way: "Oh shit, she just said no and was serious. - Damn but I already did it, so my punishment is determined. But if I now start through extra brutal now, maybe it traumatizes her enough so that she does not tell anyone."
Because someone saying no or indicating in the present that they do not want to have sex trumps any impression their clothing might make.
Yes, thank you, that is exactly the point, I was trying to make. That any verbal communication trumps impressions based on looks (and even behavior).
And I go even further and say that even in the total absence of any verbal communication the victim has not done anything wrong and this is how you should word it. But what the victim has done is irrelevant anyway. The guild of the attacker matters.
And just because I'm saying, that in this rare circumstance, the accused has less guilt, this does not mean, the victim has the rest of the guilt. A crime does not carry a fixed, inherent amount of guilt, that has to be somehow distributed, in some there is less involved.
Boys are told from a young age that whatever they do will be excused under the “boys will be boys” mantra, and that “boys will be boys” mentality leads to what I call the “boiling frog” problem of women’s sexual boundaries. I call it that because if you put a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump right out, but if you put a frog into a pot of room-temperature water and slowly heat it to a boil, the frog will acclimate as it heats and never jump out, eventually boiling to death. Similarly, when we learn as young girls to tolerate “low-level” boundary violations like the ones we often are forced to suffer in silence at school, at home and on the street – bra-snapping, boob-grabbing, ass pinching, catcalling, dick flashing “all in good fun” relentless violations that adults and authorities routinely ignore – it makes it harder for us to notice when even greater boundaries are being violated, eventually leading to the reality that many women who are raped just freeze and fall silent, because that’s what they’ve been taught to do over and over since day one. You tell me what’s more infantilizing: repeatedly letting boys (and grown men) off the hook for their behavior because “boys will be boys” and we can’t ever expect any differently, or creating a consent standard in which all partners take active responsibility for their partner’s safety, and which acknowledges the truly diseased sexual culture we’re soaking in every day. http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/the-nonexistent-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-consequences-of-enthusiastic-consent/ (via zoemelisa)
That's an interesting point there. I though the gender roles were probably introduced by movies. You know, if a men gets raped it's (either just fun and not made closer subject of discussion or it's) the start of a bloody revenge, Pulp Fiction-like. But if a woman gets raped in the movies the is more often a traumatized victim until the end And that it's more "life imitating film" here then the other way around.
But that it's coming from childhood behavior sounds possible too and bothers me. Girls should be able to "will be boys", too, so to say. ... And neither should be to much "will be boys" of course, liberties are good but some boundaries are needed, too.
PS: Oh and the frog metaphor is wrong, btw, they will jump out. (I did not try it myself, says wikipedia)
Yes, but at a different level of guilt and thus needing a different level of punishment. That's really important for a juristic system. The guy who thinks that "unless she says NO, she means yes" needs a different lesson from society, then the boss who thinks that he owns his illegal workers so he can force sex with them, who again needs a different lesson then the psychopath who keeps a victim in his cellar for years, regularly beating and raping her - plus the public safety demands other punishment here.
And that's only one point for "rape is not all the same". You also want to prevent an 'In for a penny, in for a pound' mentality, where a negligent rapist notices half way: "Oh shit, she just said no and was serious. - Damn but I already did it, so my punishment is determined. But if I now start through extra brutal now, maybe it traumatizes her enough so that she does not tell anyone."
Because someone saying no or indicating in the present that they do not want to have sex trumps any impression their clothing might make.
Yes, thank you, that is exactly the point, I was trying to make. That any verbal communication trumps impressions based on looks (and even behavior).
And I go even further and say that even in the total absence of any verbal communication the victim has not done anything wrong and this is how you should word it. But what the victim has done is irrelevant anyway. The guild of the attacker matters.
And just because I'm saying, that in this rare circumstance, the accused has less guilt, this does not mean, the victim has the rest of the guilt. A crime does not carry a fixed, inherent amount of guilt, that has to be somehow distributed, in some there is less involved.
Dude...
WTF?
are you really not understanding the concept that a woman(or man) has the right to say no at anytime and it should be respected by the partner/other party?
is it really that hard a concept to absorb, assimilate and understand?
Something tells me you support the "skinny jeans" defense too.
there is never a mitigating circumstance that would somehow "lessen" the seriousness of rape.
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MAR 22, 2011 04:01 PM