anonmymouse said:
What is so offensive about caring about the undeniable suffering of animals, motherfuckers trying to attack someone for caring about a feeling thing in pain? Excuse you.
Shit for you that unlike plants animals do feel, they think and feel pain and get stressed out. Most people on some level care about a being in pain. A lot of people eat meat like it's none of their business what suffering goes into its production but they care about a puppy being put in a washing machine. So there is a point to veganism, more than one, and it's valid. And somehow an article about veganism turns into an argument with people getting angry about being 'judged' for their morals. Well you're not being judged on your morals, a vegan judges the food industry.
And other people don't. And then there are people who do judge it and think about it, vegan or not, and they listen to other ideas and thoughts and facts and this is what this newswire should be about. It's such a shame it gets overshadowed with the same old crap of someone thinking it's all about them being judged
Shit for you that unlike plants animals do feel, they think and feel pain and get stressed out. Most people on some level care about a being in pain. A lot of people eat meat like it's none of their business what suffering goes into its production
Shit for you that unlike plants animals do feel, they think and feel pain and get stressed out. Most people on some level care about a being in pain. A lot of people eat meat like it's none of their business what suffering goes into its production
This statement
Well you're not being judged on your morals
Does not mesh with this statement. At all.
Yeah, a vegan judges the food industry. That's what this thread is about - the vegan movement. NOT the people not involved or not interested. Those are the people who start silly, pointless arguments about the inevitable aspect of judgementalness.
Ridiculous. Why do you think "No meat crashers" is there on the Veggie group? How about so that aggravated, argumentative meat heads with too much time on their hands don't come in trolling around with their stock pile arguments about OUR PERSONAL CHOICE. It's a nice group, all about vegetarianism, NOT ABOUT YOU.
^That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.
Edit: redacted. I'm participating for the sake of what I see as an interesting argument, and that's not fair to people who actually feel strongly on the topic.
Pretty unrelated, but I was watching "the talk" yesterday (I only get two channels, it's a "the view" ripoff). The chef begins by calling a dish vegan, then when she pours butter all over it, the vegan calls her out. She pretty much tells her to just pretend that it didn't happen, and the co-host jokingly shoves it down the vegan's throat. Offensive to me, I can't imagine a "vegan warrior"'s reaction
anonmymouse said:
Ridiculous. Why do you think "No meat crashers" is there on the Veggie group? How about so that aggravated, argumentative meat heads with too much time on their hands don't come in trolling around with their stock pile arguments about OUR PERSONAL CHOICE. It's a nice group, all about vegetarianism, NOT ABOUT YOU.
^That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.
Then why post it? The large majority of posters in this thread respect Malloreigh, her views, and her right to hold her views and make the choices she makes.
There's some expression of disappointment that she chose not to read the thread comments. There's some discussion/debate about "judgmentalism", but a number of us are pretty OK about all that. Many of us aren't that thin-skinned, you know.
I've no idea at all what contribution you think you're making to the discussion. I can't tell why you've even decided to involve yourself. It's as if you simply can't read.
Jensen said:
Pretty unrelated, but I was watching "the talk" yesterday (I only get two channels, it's a "the view" ripoff). The chef begins by calling a dish vegan, then when she pours butter all over it, the vegan calls her out. She pretty much tells her to just pretend that it didn't happen, and the co-host jokingly shoves it down the vegan's throat. Offensive to me, I can't imagine a "vegan warrior"'s reaction
TheFuckOffKid said:
The large majority of posters in this thread respect Malloreigh, her views, and her right to hold her views and make the choices she makes.
There's some expression of disappointment that she chose not to read the thread comments. There's some discussion/debate about "judgmentalism", but a number of us are pretty OK about all that.
I thought that summed up this thread pretty well. I can see why Malloreigh wouldn’t want to read the comments if they go on for five pages and can be summed up in a couple of pretty gentle sentences.
I like anonmymouse's comments. They are fun to read. I dread the day her wrath is directed towards me.
To speak quickly to the idea of preachy vegans: yes, they are out there. Despite the tag "vegan warrior" I don't find Mal's articles taking on a holier than thou approach to her lifestyle choices.
I'm an omnivore and my wife is vegan. We have a very understanding, live and let live approach to our diets. I have learned a great deal about cooking vegan, and I find it a lot of fun to bake vegan for her. She feels healthier and can live her life best without animal products. She will even prepare me extremely tasty meals involving things she personally will not eat, because she respects my choice not to be vegan, rather than be interested in clinging to some "gold star" of veganism.
I also found Michael Pollan's "The Omnivore's Dilemma" to be a spectacular read. (I look forward to starting another book I hear great things about, by the same author, titled "In Defense of Food".) Turning a deaf ear to those that live differently than you is no way to live. Even if you don't/can't subscribe to their ideals, it is very possible to coexist. That goes for a great deal of topics, even dietary choices.
Clidna
Canada
January 2005
DEC 10, 2010 06:46 PM