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Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

DEC 10, 2010 06:46 PM

anonmymouse said:
What is so offensive about caring about the undeniable suffering of animals, motherfuckers trying to attack someone for caring about a feeling thing in pain? Excuse you.
Shit for you that unlike plants animals do feel, they think and feel pain and get stressed out. Most people on some level care about a being in pain. A lot of people eat meat like it's none of their business what suffering goes into its production but they care about a puppy being put in a washing machine. So there is a point to veganism, more than one, and it's valid. And somehow an article about veganism turns into an argument with people getting angry about being 'judged' for their morals. Well you're not being judged on your morals, a vegan judges the food industry.
And other people don't. And then there are people who do judge it and think about it, vegan or not, and they listen to other ideas and thoughts and facts and this is what this newswire should be about. It's such a shame it gets overshadowed with the same old crap of someone thinking it's all about them being judged whatever


This sounds kind of judgmental.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

DEC 10, 2010 06:54 PM

anonmymouse said

Shit for you that unlike plants animals do feel, they think and feel pain and get stressed out. Most people on some level care about a being in pain. A lot of people eat meat like it's none of their business what suffering goes into its production



This statement

Well you're not being judged on your morals



Does not mesh with this statement. At all.

Cockzombie

Cockzombie

San Diego, CA
July 2006

DEC 10, 2010 08:51 PM

Welcome to the Church of the Holy Cabbage. Lettuce pray.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

DEC 10, 2010 10:16 PM

See, it's not judging to tell you you're wrong when you're actually wrong.

Cherry2000

Cherry2000

Calgary, AB
July 2009

DEC 10, 2010 10:55 PM

motorfirebox said:
See, it's not judging to tell you you're wrong when you're actually wrong.



Well, it is judging... but if I've gotten anything from this thread, it's "making (informed) judgements is necessary and okay."

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

DEC 10, 2010 10:58 PM

Cherry2000 said:

motorfirebox said:
See, it's not judging to tell you you're wrong when you're actually wrong.



Well, it is judging... but if I've gotten anything from this thread, it's "making (informed) judgements is necessary and okay."



(He was being sarcastic.)

anonmymouse

anonmymouse

United Kingdom
September 2006

DEC 11, 2010 05:49 AM

FreakPirate said:

anonmymouse said

Shit for you that unlike plants animals do feel, they think and feel pain and get stressed out. Most people on some level care about a being in pain. A lot of people eat meat like it's none of their business what suffering goes into its production



This statement

Well you're not being judged on your morals



Does not mesh with this statement. At all.



Yeah, a vegan judges the food industry. That's what this thread is about - the vegan movement. NOT the people not involved or not interested. Those are the people who start silly, pointless arguments about the inevitable aspect of judgementalness.

Ridiculous. Why do you think "No meat crashers" is there on the Veggie group? How about so that aggravated, argumentative meat heads with too much time on their hands don't come in trolling around with their stock pile arguments about OUR PERSONAL CHOICE. It's a nice group, all about vegetarianism, NOT ABOUT YOU.
^That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

DEC 11, 2010 06:14 AM

Edit: redacted. I'm participating for the sake of what I see as an interesting argument, and that's not fair to people who actually feel strongly on the topic.

CassyLee

CassyLee

Capon Bridge, WV
August 2007

DEC 11, 2010 11:07 AM

anonmymouse said:
Shit for you that unlike plants animals do feel


Actually it's been proven that plants feel too.

Jensen

Jensen

SUICIDEGIRL

Texas, USA

DEC 11, 2010 11:14 AM

Pretty unrelated, but I was watching "the talk" yesterday (I only get two channels, it's a "the view" ripoff). The chef begins by calling a dish vegan, then when she pours butter all over it, the vegan calls her out. She pretty much tells her to just pretend that it didn't happen, and the co-host jokingly shoves it down the vegan's throat. Offensive to me, I can't imagine a "vegan warrior"'s reaction blush


link to the clip

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

DEC 11, 2010 11:52 AM

Ugh, I hate giving demerits to Cat Cora, but: DEMERIT! It was a bummer to see her dismiss the objection so blithely.

(This is coming from a guy who never says "no" to bacon, eggs, or cheese.)

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

DEC 11, 2010 04:00 PM

anonmymouse said:
Ridiculous. Why do you think "No meat crashers" is there on the Veggie group? How about so that aggravated, argumentative meat heads with too much time on their hands don't come in trolling around with their stock pile arguments about OUR PERSONAL CHOICE. It's a nice group, all about vegetarianism, NOT ABOUT YOU.
^That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.



Then why post it? The large majority of posters in this thread respect Malloreigh, her views, and her right to hold her views and make the choices she makes.

There's some expression of disappointment that she chose not to read the thread comments. There's some discussion/debate about "judgmentalism", but a number of us are pretty OK about all that. Many of us aren't that thin-skinned, you know.

I've no idea at all what contribution you think you're making to the discussion. I can't tell why you've even decided to involve yourself. It's as if you simply can't read.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

DEC 11, 2010 04:01 PM

Jensen said:
Pretty unrelated, but I was watching "the talk" yesterday (I only get two channels, it's a "the view" ripoff). The chef begins by calling a dish vegan, then when she pours butter all over it, the vegan calls her out. She pretty much tells her to just pretend that it didn't happen, and the co-host jokingly shoves it down the vegan's throat. Offensive to me, I can't imagine a "vegan warrior"'s reaction blush


link to the clip



The video won't show for me, but that sounds awfully disrespectful.

redtide84

redtide84

I'm lost
October 2010

DEC 12, 2010 12:42 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
The large majority of posters in this thread respect Malloreigh, her views, and her right to hold her views and make the choices she makes.

There's some expression of disappointment that she chose not to read the thread comments. There's some discussion/debate about "judgmentalism", but a number of us are pretty OK about all that.



I thought that summed up this thread pretty well. I can see why Malloreigh wouldn’t want to read the comments if they go on for five pages and can be summed up in a couple of pretty gentle sentences.

I like anonmymouse's comments. They are fun to read. I dread the day her wrath is directed towards me.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

DEC 12, 2010 12:46 PM

redtide84 said:
I like anonmymouse's comments. They are fun to read. I dread the day her wrath is directed towards me.



The Ignore button = awesome.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

DEC 13, 2010 07:28 PM

It ain't easy bein' green.

Sauda

Sauda

HOPEFUL

Chicago, IL

DEC 14, 2010 05:46 PM

To speak quickly to the idea of preachy vegans: yes, they are out there. Despite the tag "vegan warrior" I don't find Mal's articles taking on a holier than thou approach to her lifestyle choices.

I'm an omnivore and my wife is vegan. We have a very understanding, live and let live approach to our diets. I have learned a great deal about cooking vegan, and I find it a lot of fun to bake vegan for her. She feels healthier and can live her life best without animal products. She will even prepare me extremely tasty meals involving things she personally will not eat, because she respects my choice not to be vegan, rather than be interested in clinging to some "gold star" of veganism.

I also found Michael Pollan's "The Omnivore's Dilemma" to be a spectacular read. (I look forward to starting another book I hear great things about, by the same author, titled "In Defense of Food".) Turning a deaf ear to those that live differently than you is no way to live. Even if you don't/can't subscribe to their ideals, it is very possible to coexist. That goes for a great deal of topics, even dietary choices. smile

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