We love this cheeky clothing line created by 4th Amendment Wear, which is guaranteed to put a smile on your face this holiday season while the TSA are jingling your balls. The innovative undies aim to remind TSA workers conducting freedom gropes and porn-o-scans of our 4th Amendment rights – you know the ones in the increasingly ignored Bill O’ Rights that say a little something about “the right of the people to be secure in their persons, blah, blah, blah, against unreasonable searches and seizures” without “probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation.” The text is printed in a metallic ink that the manufacturers say “in theory” should show up on TSA scans, and is thoughtfully laid out in easy to read (if slightly small) capital letters (which ironically may provide myopic operatives with a legitimate excuse to move in closer to eyeball the text atop your junk).
“If we sell a few items, great. But the main intention is to open more dialogue. It’s more of a conceptual piece than anything else,” say the clothing line’s creators, Tim Geoghegan and Matthew Ryan. “Hopefully, these clothes ask us all to re-examine how much we’re willing to go through for the sake of security. Hopefully, they prompt us to reread the US Constitution. Yes, we need to be 100% safe, but does that mean giving up all notions of personal privacy…There must be better ways to keep us safe while also respecting our freedoms. This project’s only intention is to get the right people to explore all of those ways.”
When we checked, the site had sold out of much of their adult metallic print merchandise, but you can place a back-order here. Surprisingly, much of the company’s companion “Read The 4th Amendment, Perverts” children’s line was still available for purchase. Get yours now!
I like the idea but I really don't want to draw more attention to myself when I fly, because getting the enhanced pat down sounds worse than going through the backscatter machine to me.
This is neat but kinda of perplexing for this site. Liberals are the reason for this nonsense when we should be profiling. Giving that this is a predominantly liberal site whose members support this government nonsense, this post is confusing. Is the Left now poking fun at itself?
betterthantv said:
This is neat but kinda of perplexing for this site. Liberals are the reason for this nonsense when we should be profiling. Giving that this is a predominantly liberal site whose members support this government nonsense, this post is confusing. Is the Left now poking fun at itself?
That depends entirely on the sort of 'profiling' you're talking about. As discussed in the "Welp" thread in CE, most of us are in favor of intelligent profiling. But, hey, if you want to take the position that not being a racist is a liberal thing, go for it.
betterthantv said:
This is neat but kinda of perplexing for this site. Liberals are the reason for this nonsense when we should be profiling. Giving that this is a predominantly liberal site whose members support this government nonsense, this post is confusing. Is the Left now poking fun at itself?
That depends entirely on the sort of 'profiling' you're talking about. As discussed in the "Welp" thread in CE, most of us are in favor of intelligent profiling. But, hey, if you want to take the position that not being a racist is a liberal thing, go for it.
Also, blaming liberals for the TSA is hysterical.
Nope, nice spin though. Profiling is not racism. It's common sense. No shit about the TSA. We all know The "evil" Bush created that. I was referring to the policies.
betterthantv said:
This is neat but kinda of perplexing for this site. Liberals are the reason for this nonsense when we should be profiling. Giving that this is a predominantly liberal site whose members support this government nonsense, this post is confusing. Is the Left now poking fun at itself?
That depends entirely on the sort of 'profiling' you're talking about. As discussed in the "Welp" thread in CE, most of us are in favor of intelligent profiling. But, hey, if you want to take the position that not being a racist is a liberal thing, go for it.
Also, blaming liberals for the TSA is hysterical.
Ahhh, the race card once again. Is that all you have. The Right is just racist! You gotta get some new material man!
Profiling isn't racist--so long as you're not profiling by race. If you are profiling by race, well, for one thing, you're certainly not using common sense.
motorfirebox said:
Profiling isn't racist--so long as you're not profiling by race. If you are profiling by race, well, for one thing, you're certainly not using common sense.
You're arguing with a guy who believes every right wing lie about Muslims. Let it go, he doesn't care about facts.
The problem with profiling is it fails when you don't fit the profile. Look for "dark middle eastern type" you will miss the Indonesian, African, Swedish guy, or Latina.
People need to stop thinking all terrorists are stupid
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Does anyone know why the question "who packed your bags" (or variations of it) was asked?
No helping MFB. I expect that you know it and if you don't shame shame on you.
I'm refusing to fly anyways (driving to Montana was actually fun) but the clothing's a good idea. If you're going to fly, might as well have some fun with the TSA assholes.
I fly alot and to be honest the "enhanced pat down" is the same as pat downs have been for the past 8 years, only a little faster since now they just slide instead of actually patting every inch. I have also heard from some TSA workers that the images suck so bad half the time they cant tell if you are male or female so no worries on that. I would also like to remind people that flying is not a right. it is a privilege, the same as driving a car. you consent the second you buy your ticket so the fourth amendment doesn't apply.
The Fourth Amendment always applies. The argument is not that "flying is a right." The argument is that "purchasing a service does not (in fact, cannot) invalidate a citizen's Fourth Amendment rights."
Please show any evidence that indicates that citizens waive their Fourth Amendment rights when purchasing a ticket.
Finally, the TSA themselves have stated--and shown--how the new pat-downs are, in fact, more invasive than they have been. The fact that your personal experience has not been such proves nothing.
aepaul said:
I'm refusing to fly anyways (driving to Montana was actually fun) but the clothing's a good idea. If you're going to fly, might as well have some fun with the TSA assholes.
Except for there are plenty of TSA employees who are uncomfortable with the new policies too, but simply cannot afford to lose their jobs. Why mistreat the little guy here when it's the people on top making the decision to institute these procedures who are at fault, generally speaking? Yes, there are TSA agents who will be creeps about this (I've heard plenty of stories) but most of them probably aren't.
Spookypunk said:
I fly alot and to be honest the "enhanced pat down" is the same as pat downs have been for the past 8 years, only a little faster since now they just slide instead of actually patting every inch.
Except for there are many, MANY stories about the enhanced pat-down being much more invasive, sometimes even involving being touched UNDER the underwear. And many stories about them being invasive enough that people with PTSD were triggered.
I think profiling makes sense, but only if people are smart enough to understand the profile. I travel quite frequently and recently watched a Sikh get singled out a checked. For those who don't know, Sikhs wear a head covering, hail from the Indian subcontinent, are have an appearance somewhat similar to some Muslims. But there are a LOT of differences to anyone who takes the time to learn. Not to mention that Sikhs share nothing significant with Muslims which any sane person would take issue with.
Based on what I've seen of the typical TSA agent, there is neither adequate intelligence nor any initiative to actually learn anything more about their job than they absolutely have to, so profiling is right out as an option.
I like the idea of this clothing. I'd wear one which say "Hey jackass, you missed the aerosol can in my bag, but at least you can see my balls". But this only represents a true incident. Which has been repeated about 20 times now at different airports. The aerosol can, that is, not the t-shirt.
If TSA can't properly use the tools which security has had in place for decades now, how are they going to properly use new ones?
I won't even tell you my wife's TSA stories. She works at an airport and sees more stupid shit in that one airport than I ever see hit the news.
Adam Savage did a funny bit about walking through the new back scatter x-ray with 12 inch razor blades he'd failed to remove from his pocket. They missed them.http://daanberg.net/adam-savage-tsa-saw-my-junk-missed-12-razor-b
Even if it isn't true, plenty of other stuff is.
So, my word to the TSA folks:
Learn how to do ANY part of your job properly, then we can can discuss adding more devices and responsibilities.
My word to people wanting to add more rules and procedures:
Read my word to the TSA folks.
Toku666 said:
The Fourth Amendment always applies. The argument is not that "flying is a right." The argument is that "purchasing a service does not (in fact, cannot) invalidate a citizen's Fourth Amendment rights."
Please show any evidence that indicates that citizens waive their Fourth Amendment rights when purchasing a ticket.
its called "implied consent". The precedent has been set and upheld by many courts many times over.
Toku666 said:
The Fourth Amendment always applies. The argument is not that "flying is a right." The argument is that "purchasing a service does not (in fact, cannot) invalidate a citizen's Fourth Amendment rights."
Please show any evidence that indicates that citizens waive their Fourth Amendment rights when purchasing a ticket.
its called "implied consent". The precedent has been set and upheld by many courts many times over.
No it is not. The searches fall under the class of "administrative searches." There are limits on the scope of "administrative searches."
My tattoos already draw enough attention to me at airports. Even though I am polite, prepared, and never doing anything suspicious, I generally get "randomly" selected for the extra pat down. I don't feel like spending MORE time there while they scrutinize my underwear. Also, If someone is in a bad mood, smartasses might miss their flight.
Dryad said: My tattoos already draw enough attention to me at airports. Even though I am polite, prepared, and never doing anything suspicious, I generally get "randomly" selected for the extra pat down. I don't feel like spending MORE time there while they scrutinize my underwear. Also, If someone is in a bad mood, smartasses might miss their flight.
It's clever in theory, but I won't wear them.
Well we told you not to get that Osama bin Laden is sexy tattoo
Dryad said: My tattoos already draw enough attention to me at airports. Even though I am polite, prepared, and never doing anything suspicious, I generally get "randomly" selected for the extra pat down. I don't feel like spending MORE time there while they scrutinize my underwear. Also, If someone is in a bad mood, smartasses might miss their flight.
It's clever in theory, but I won't wear them.
Well we told you not to get that Osama bin Laden is sexy tattoo
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