Look, I just have to say "AMEN" to all you said here. What the Hell has Hollywood come to?! The original Buffy film was a piece of crap compared to the TV series and so it seems this new one will be crap too...Whedon has never had much luck with big Hollywood studios it seems. Oddly he just works better on the small screen. I don't think of him as a god or anything, but I don't think of George Lucus as any kind of deity either. Nonetheless, they both knew what they were doing with an original story and they deserve credit for it.
There is something unbelievably disgusting about how we no longer give credit to content originators in our society anymore. We are a bunch of two bit whores if we can't say leaving the person who came up with an idea out of the further versions of that idea is wrong. I guess corporations really have taken over our daily lives. All hail our new masters...
SomethingStupid said:
Joss Whedon clearly isn't comfortable with this, so I think a bit of outrage on his behalf is fine. I mean, I hate what George Lucas has done to Star Wars, but it's his stories, he came up with them, and for someone to shut him out would be a bit galling.
From Whedon's words posted in this very article, he doesn't seem all that upset about it. He seems to me to understand that if you come up with an idea that a lot of people love, other people might want to try doing their own take on it.
He doesn't have much of a choice now does he? Clearly the license to his work is not entirely in his hands. Something is wrong when corporations hold all the rights to works they did not create and can pick and choice how to ruin the image of characters people have grown to love...
xsntt said:
He doesn't have much of a choice now does he? Clearly the license to his work is not entirely in his hands. Something is wrong when corporations hold all the rights to works they did not create and can pick and choice how to ruin the image of characters people have grown to love...
Why are you assuming that people won't grow to love this new version, or that the movie will most certainly be terrible? Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised. Maybe even if it doesn't translate to the generation that grew up with Buffy, it will still be a decent movie with the same basic "ideals" the show had, and a new generation will get to love that girls-can-kick-ass attitude that was so great about Buffy.
xsntt said:
He doesn't have much of a choice now does he? Clearly the license to his work is not entirely in his hands. Something is wrong when corporations hold all the rights to works they did not create and can pick and choice how to ruin the image of characters people have grown to love...
Why are you assuming that people won't grow to love this new version, or that the movie will most certainly be terrible? Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised. Maybe even if it doesn't translate to the generation that grew up with Buffy, it will still be a decent movie with the same basic "ideals" the show had, and a new generation will get to love that girls-can-kick-ass attitude that was so great about Buffy.
I might be more okay with that concept if we weren't so closely removed from the original work is all I'm saying. The show ended 7 years ago, the comic book is still running. It just seems wrong to have someone else make a "new" version with the most recent one is still so fresh in everyone's minds. Another point is of course how passionate Buffy fans are about Joss Whedon's vision of the character and story.
The truth of the matter is that the studio is saving money by having a new screenwriter with no previous experience write a version of "Buffy" that they can put on the big screen with new actors, etc. If they had to pay Whedon and Sarah Michelle Gellar and the rest of the cast, the cost would be much, much higher. I'm quite sure this one will be at a lower cost and thus higher profits. That's what this all likely comes down to.
xsntt said:
He doesn't have much of a choice now does he? Clearly the license to his work is not entirely in his hands. Something is wrong when corporations hold all the rights to works they did not create and can pick and choice how to ruin the image of characters people have grown to love...
Why are you assuming that people won't grow to love this new version, or that the movie will most certainly be terrible? Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised. Maybe even if it doesn't translate to the generation that grew up with Buffy, it will still be a decent movie with the same basic "ideals" the show had, and a new generation will get to love that girls-can-kick-ass attitude that was so great about Buffy.
You don't have to be an uber-fan of Buffy to note that a lot of what made Buffy pop was the dialogue. I've got to admit I'm officially "meh" about this, and that I've always secretly wished for a Buffy series that didn't have Whedon's preoccupation with ruthlessly abusing its protagonists into an emotional coma, but I think the most likely outcome is going to be something like Singer's Superman Returns. Someone who has no particular understanding of the universe or characters is going to get their hands on it, freely adapt it, and call it a Buffy film when, although possibly passable on its own, it really won't be passable as a Buffy film.
SomethingStupid said:
Joss Whedon clearly isn't comfortable with this, so I think a bit of outrage on his behalf is fine. I mean, I hate what George Lucas has done to Star Wars, but it's his stories, he came up with them, and for someone to shut him out would be a bit galling.
From Whedon's words posted in this very article, he doesn't seem all that upset about it. He seems to me to understand that if you come up with an idea that a lot of people love, other people might want to try doing their own take on it.
“I always hoped that Buffy would live on even after my death. But, you know, AFTER,” Whedon said in an e-mail to E! Online’s Kristin Dos Santos. “I don’t love the idea of my creation in other hands, but I’m also well aware that many more hands than mine went into making that show what it was. And there is no legal grounds for doing anything other than sighing audibly. I can’t wish people who are passionate about my little myth ill.”
These are not the words of a man who is happy about having his universe wrested from his control. All I said was that he's not comfortable with it - he's maintaining perspective, but "there are no legal grounds for doing anything other than sighing audibly" is not a sentence reflecting someone who's cool with this. Neither is the following line, which comes across as merely charitable and certainly doesn't come across as being understanding of why the franchise would be taken out of his hands.
Plus he was similarly charitable when Fox requested he redo Dollhouse, and it turned out he wasn't happy about that.
While you are correct in what you say, his obviously tongue-in-cheek comment about "his" creation (The Avengers) seems to indicate he's more okay with handing off the baton than you might think.
He opens maintaining perspective, and was being reasonable, but it's clear that he doesn't want it to happen. And he has to know why The Avengers is different - no one writes for The Avengers without the expectation of handing the baton to someone else. That wasn't the case with Buffy.
I think his response was healthy, just noting that he's not thrilled, but not burning any bridges with anybody. It was classy. But I don't think fans have the obligation to be so nice.
SomethingStupid said:
He opens maintaining perspective, and was being reasonable, but it's clear that he doesn't want it to happen.
I don't think we can read so much into what is a fairly brief statement, in either direction. Maybe he's okay with it happening, maybe he isn't. I think the OP stating that no "true fan" would see how the reboot works out an overreaction, though. As is assuming that it's going to be horrible. Worst case scenario, it's awful and fans are pissed off for a while and (hopefully, if they have some perspective) eventually forget it. Best case scenario, it's not too bad/actually good and a new generation of people get to love Buffy and it's mythology and kick-ass focus on powerful women.
Resurrecting this to post Nicholas Brendan's (Xander) comments about the reboot
"I hope their vampires don't glitter," quipped Brendon, referencing, of course, the sparkling vampires of the wildly successful Twilight franchise. Then, appearing hesitant to speak out of turn but confident about his point of view, he continued, "You know, listen...I think it's a mistake, I think that it's trying to kind of—they have to reach a whole completely new fanbase. And we already have that fanbase. So it's going to really be hard to kind of do that. But you know, everyone: They remade The Flintstones. Twice, I think."
See, quotes like that make me feel hope that the new project is a huge success just to spite obnoxious attitudes about the high fucking art of a Josh Wheaton show from one of his past oh-so-talented wise-crackers.
Ascanius said:
FIREFLY FIREFLY FIREFLY! There. I said it.
Joss turned writing of the story arc for Shepherd Book's origins to his brother Zack for the third installment of Serenity graphic novels, and it's quality was sadly inferior.
I'd rather see a reboot that doesn't concern me rather than see someone fuck up a story I really enjoy.
I am well aware that alot of people made 'BTVS' what it is but it's at it's central core it's Joss's work. This is of course only a personal feeling but I am upset that Joss won't be part of the process, I would have thought that Joss would be the central source of information since he created the world.
It seems with the popularity of the 'Twilight' movies that anything to do with vampires is fair game. but BTVS is a treasured part of my youth and I would prefer to remember it in it's classic form rather then see it in the hands of someone who isn't Joss.
xsntt
Alameda, CA
January 2004
NOV 25, 2010 04:10 AM