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Drama

Drama

Columbus, OH
January 2003

OCT 05, 2010 12:01 PM

by Damon Martin

Scientists from the University of California Santa-Cruz and the Carnegie Institute of Washington have announced the discovery of a planet a scant 20 light years away from Earth that could theoretically be habitable since it has all the characteristics of a planet that could support life.

Gliese 581-g is the latest planet discovered by scientists studying the Red Dwarf star called Gliese 581, which resides in the Libra constellation. The team’s findings were strong enough for them to declare the new planet livable by Earth standards. As many scientists state when dealing with extraterrestrial life, where there is water there could be life. Gliese 581-g has all of the necessary factors to create and sustain water, as well as an atmosphere similar to what we have on Earth.

Professor Stephen Vogt, a member of the team that discovered Gliese 581-g, admits that they don’t know for sure if the planet currently has any life forms growing or living on the surface, but he is confident enough to make a very educated guess going as far as saying, “that chances for life on this planet are 100 percent.”

Gliese 581-g falls into the rare category of what scientists refer to as a “Goldilocks” planet. Yes, the same Goldilocks from the Three Bears story – the term is used to describe a planet that is not too hot or too cold, but just right. Orbiting just 14 million miles from its sun, Gliese 581-g circles the Red Dwarf star every 37 days, but due to the much lower heat output of the Red Dwarf as opposed to the Sun, it’s estimated the temperature on the planet ranges between -25 degrees to 160 degrees Fahrenheit.

The discovery of this new planet of course also raises several philosophical questions, especially regarding “intelligent design” and the idea that Earth is a special planet based on its habitable conditions. If Gliese 581-g is indeed a livable planet, then the unique nature of Earth isn’t nearly as unique. It’s always been somewhat arrogant to believe that Earth was the lone life-sustaining planet in a universe filled with millions upon millions of stars with planets circling them.



[Vanessa in Fell To Earth]

Does this mean that E.T. is going to land on Earth tomorrow? Probably not. But famed cosmologist Stephen Hawking believes that aliens would almost have to exist based on the sheer number of planets and stars existing in the universe. “To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational,” Hawking said during a recent documentary on The Discovery Channel. “The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like.”

Hawking also warns that although the curiosity about life on other planets intrigues many people, the reality of the situation may be much different: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”

Gliese-581 g is a significant scientific discovery, but it’ll likely be beyond our lifetimes before we figure out exactly what is able to live, or is living there. And since Gliese-581 is over 20 light years away for earth, with current space technology it’d take over a thousand years for us to travel there. So will first contact with Gliese-581 g’s possible residents be more “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” then “Independence Day”? It’ll likely be generations before we have a definitive answer.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR
October 2005

OCT 05, 2010 12:52 PM

Neat.

Cherry2000

Cherry2000

Calgary, AB
July 2009

OCT 05, 2010 05:57 PM

Gliese.

Sorry to be a pain, but seeing a typo copy-pasted throughout an article drives me crazy. Good piece though, definitely noteworthy news!

Drama

Drama

Columbus, OH
January 2003

OCT 05, 2010 06:36 PM

Cherry2000 said:
Gliese.

Sorry to be a pain, but seeing a typo copy-pasted throughout an article drives me crazy. Good piece though, definitely noteworthy news!



That's totally on me. My bad...I did so much research for this one and completely misspelled it frown

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

OCT 05, 2010 10:01 PM

Another good article Drama.

I forget who said it, but i always liked the quote that goes something like, "The proof that intelligent alien life exists in the universe is proven by the fact that they have never visited us"

Jensen

Jensen

SUICIDEGIRL

Texas, USA

OCT 05, 2010 10:20 PM

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

OCT 06, 2010 12:18 AM

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

OCT 06, 2010 08:58 AM

I'm not alone - I've got you guys.

El_Bandito

El_Bandito

Hialeah, FL
April 2005

OCT 06, 2010 09:13 AM

It's crazy to think that an planet capable of sustaining life is that "close" to us. Now we just need better spaceships

Starfuck

Starfuck

SUICIDEGIRL

Chile

OCT 06, 2010 12:33 PM

woooo! eeek

AlienHeep

AlienHeep

I'm lost
August 2008

OCT 06, 2010 12:57 PM

I hope more and more discoveries such as this get more and more people excited about such things again.

Toxic

Toxic

SUICIDEGIRL

Oregon, USA

OCT 06, 2010 07:59 PM

This article is facinating

LimoWreck

LimoWreck

I'm lost
October 2007

OCT 06, 2010 09:01 PM

Jensennnn said:
Good article smile.





She'll save us all.


Drama

Drama

Columbus, OH
January 2003

OCT 06, 2010 09:32 PM

Thanks everybody for all the kind words on the article! I'll try to keep more stuff like this coming!

Milloux

Milloux

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

OCT 06, 2010 09:58 PM

We are so not alone.

Brad_Warner

Brad_Warner

NEWSWIRE

Akron, OH

OCT 07, 2010 09:33 AM

Great article. I hadn't heard about this. I'm glad SG is publishing articles like this. More, please!

Vanile

Vanile

HOPEFUL

Spain

OCT 10, 2010 03:18 AM

I have always believed in the existence of life on other planets.
In the immensity of the universe
How will be the earth, a grain insifnificante compared with the whole, the only place with life?
It is impossible.
Good article.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

OCT 14, 2010 07:12 AM

Oops. Look like we might be.


The first exoplanet discovered in the habitable zone could be a mirage, according to reports from an exoplanet meeting yesterday. A second team of astronomers couldn’t find the planet in their data.

The long-sought planet, dubbed Gliese 581g, was detected using a combination of 122 observations over 11 years from the Keck Telescope in Hawaii, and 119 published measurements from the HARPS spectrograph that spanned 4.3 years, up until 2008. The HARPS team had already found four other planets circling Gliese 581 by teasing out the star’s subtle motion in response to the planets’ gravitational tugs.

On Sept. 29, Steven Vogt of the University of California, Santa Cruz and R. Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institution of Washington announced that adding their decade of observations to the data pool pointed to the existence of two more planets. One of the new planets sits squarely in the star’s habitable zone, where liquid water could persist at the planet’s surface and life could find a foothold.

But not so fast, says the HARPS team. Astronomer Francesco Pepe of the Geneva Observatory in Switzerland, who spoke Oct. 11 at an International Astronomical Union symposium on planetary systems, reported a new analysis using only HARPS data, but adding an extra 60 data points to the observations published in 2008. He and his colleagues could find no trace of the planet.


Read More http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/10/gliese581g-may-not-exist/#ixzz12LI2819o


Time to find another backup plan(et).

AlienHeep

AlienHeep

I'm lost
August 2008

OCT 14, 2010 11:58 AM

Let's just wait and see Mr. Downer.. Fuckin' sucks if found to be true.

1sailor

1sailor

Olympia, WA
July 2009

OCT 14, 2010 12:54 PM

This discovery is amazing.

To me, it is inconceivable that we are alone in the universe.
If not Gliese 581g, then somewhere else.

AlienHeep

AlienHeep

I'm lost
August 2008

OCT 14, 2010 01:00 PM

1sailor said:
This discovery is amazing.

To me, it is inconceivable that we are alone in the universe.
If not Gliese 581g, then somewhere else.



Exactly, but having evidence of this fact is exhilarating and inspiring and if it turns out that Gliese 581g doesn't exist than it's fucking heartbreaking. Hopefully more will be discovered soon.

ElizaTheTroll

ElizaTheTroll

Australia
January 2006

OCT 14, 2010 01:08 PM

PointBlank said:
Time to find another backup plan(et).


So, another century of practicing on pumpkins before we start carving asteroids?

Drama

Drama

Columbus, OH
January 2003

OCT 14, 2010 02:05 PM

1sailor said:
This discovery is amazing.

To me, it is inconceivable that we are alone in the universe.
If not Gliese 581g, then somewhere else.



That's my thought exactly

bepps

bepps

Ontario, CA
April 2003

OCT 16, 2010 07:06 PM

AlienSheep said:
Let's just wait and see Mr. Downer.. Fuckin' sucks if found to be true.



Actually, the real downer is that these guys are being a little sensationalistic about what they're saying about this planet. It's important to keep in mind that this planet hasn't been photographed (or any planet orbiting Gliese 581.) The only way it was even detected, which was detailed in the article PointBlank linked to in his post, was to detect the star's subtle movements by comparing pictures taken over years and years. I'm not exactly sure how accurate I'd deem that method of detection. Another method used is the transient method which the star's brightness is compared to other images. Kindo like trying to see how many people are at a party by seeing how bright the light is coming out of the livingroom window of a house you're looking at miles away.

While that might not even be super important, what's most important to keep in mind is that there's no way to know what Gilese 581g's magnetic field is like or if it even has one. Even if the planet is in the habitable zone, in order to sustain water on the surface it will need an atmosphere to provide atmosphereic pressure. Otherwise the water will boil off and be blasted away by it's star's solar wind as it probably did on Mars long ago.

Then, of course, you could get into the likelyhood of it actually having water at all or having an atmosphere or ocean that'd support life. After all, Venus is in the habitable zone too but it rains sulferic acid.

All that said, this still excites me. It's so awesome to know that we're finally detecting real planets outside of our own solar system. As our telescopes improve and we start putting them in more effective places like the moon and in Lagrange points, our detection methods will get to be much more accurate and I'm completely confident that we will find some totally bitchen hospitable planets out there. Just gotta build ourselves a nice powerful ion engine to get there. biggrin

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

OCT 16, 2010 07:39 PM

beppo said:

AlienSheep said:
Let's just wait and see Mr. Downer.. Fuckin' sucks if found to be true.


Actually, the real downer is that these guys are being a little sensationalistic about what they're saying about this planet. It's important to keep in mind that this planet hasn't been photographed (or any planet orbiting Gliese 581.)

Yeah, just a "little" sensationalistic.

(from the story)
Professor Stephen Vogt, a member of the team that discovered Gliese 581-g, admits that they don’t know for sure if the planet currently has any life forms growing or living on the surface, but he is confident enough to make a very educated guess going as far as saying, “that chances for life on this planet are 100 percent.”

I totally understand that scientists may theorize about things they believe they are discovering; but stating them as if they were fact is a bit unwise - if not reckless.

I guess using words like "could" and "possible" don't guarantee a headline.

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