Legend of the City of Atlantis

What are your thoughts on if Atlantis exsisted, it's people, etc.

I'm just curious. I was playing literati and used this word, Undine, which people didn't know what it was, and basically it's a mythical water-type creature from the Occult of Paraclesus, and ect, but anyways I first heard about this kind of creature in this fantasy book I once read which went along the legend of Atlantis so obviously it got me thinking of Atlantis and the legend behind it and then I wondered what you people though.

So. Think ahead.

I'm of the mindset that there was a place, at some point in time, called Atlantis, but it didn't much resemble the glorified/romanticized version of it we hear about all the time.

I'd be willing to learn more about it though if you have some good sources of info...

never existed.

but its what I always put down for "dream home" on surveys.

I love the disney movie. no really. yeah, I think it existed.

i think about atlantis every once in a while.
and then i think about how expensive a burger is there, and decide never to go.

oh, wait, you mean the actual lost city?
the sea is a large place, and it could be down there somewhere.

i'm not gonna look for it though.

I find it odd that cultures on different continents and no evidence of them trading all have similar accounts of an advanced group of people who were swallowed by the sea.

I think it would be super cool if it was in the bermuda triangle, and it has some sort of tesla type coil which is causing a massive magnetic pulse that makes ships and planes "disapear".

I really like learning about unexplained things. It keeps that fantasy mind from childhood alive I think.

sorry I killed your thread.

thats where the weapons of mass destruction are hidden

I won't say it didn't exsist nor will I say it did. It's possible that there was a highy advanced culture that sunk itself into the sea, but just think about that statement: A highly advanced culture sunk itself into the ocean. The more primitive survived and thrived, but a culture who was supposed to be more advanced, destroyed themselves.

Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?

While we're on a similar subject, anyone got any Easter Island/Stonhenge/Sphinx theories?

Isn't the destruction of Atlantis now supposed to be the memory of the destruction of the Minoan civilization by the cataclysmic eruption of the Santorini volcano?

i heard on coast to coast that they found something like it off the coast of cuba. National geographic was even investigating the site. but that was over a year and a half ago, so i guess it was bullshit. anywise, sounded promising cuz some of the buildings seemed quite similar to those described by aristotle.

You know...

Atlantis, supposedly in the water, right? Well, why does it always have to be an existing ocean? Why not some massive lake that is now dried up as weather-worn desert?

Sometimes I want to go back in time to meet Plato and say "Man, look what you did!"

nah...im sure it was just some dude that talked up his little hut outside of town in a bar...and the people believed him. like jesus and his "magic tricks"...or...miracles.

now..turn around
turn around.

I saw that on TLC or one of those channels. Sounds right to me.

You didn't kill the thread in fact I thought you added the most relavant information on the subject. Burmuda triangle might have something to do with atlantis.

First off, I have been following this subject for 15 years now. It has been something I have been soo very passionate about. Archeologists are a stubborn bunch. Especially American archeologists. Atlantis doesn't fit into there theories of randomness in anthropology and the society of ancient cultures. They say there is no evidence to support atlantis, but that is there own arrogance and blind eye to the unpopular theory. The accepted theory that Atlantis was in greece and was minoan is just "here is your atlantis, can we move on already" is was basically them trying to dodge the subject.

Graham Hancock is a great author and he puts up a whole bunch of evidence to support ancient civilizations that predate our own earliest accounts in mesopotamia. Off the coast of Cuba, where the Zelitsky team is preparing the evidence off of Cuba for a big release. Linda Molton Howel had reported that the delay is to keep their findings lowkey untill they have indisputable truth. I know that National Geographic had shown interest, and it will only be a matter of time before something is released.
http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=590&category=Science

I have a big problem with Plato's account. The account is egyption in origin, and egyption origins have roots with sumerian ledgend, and predating that is most likely Atlantean. It should be known that Greece wasn't the only ancient civilization to have stories of Atlantis. The Mayans believed they came from land called "Atzlan". The city is became a myth because little knowlege is known about a civilization that existed 11,000 years ago. It doesn't help that Man has a habbit of destorying writen evidence and accounts of such ledgends (i.e. library of Alexandria, and the Mayan and Aztec writings). We will know in time.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/

also look into the work by David Hatcher Childress

Got me thinking of Donovan's greatest song:



"The continent of Atlantis was an island which lay before the great flood
in the area we nowvcall the Atlantic Ocean.

So great an area of land, that from her western shores
those beautifulvsailors journeyed to the South and the North Americas with ease,
in their ships with painted sails.

To the East Africa was a neighbour, across a short strait of sea miles.

The great Egyptian age is but a remnant of The Atlantian culture.

The antediluvian kings colonised the world

All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas

In all legends from all lands were from fair Atlantis.
Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth.
On board were the Twelve:
The poet, the physician, the farmer, the scientist,
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends.

Though Gods they were -
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new
Hail Atlantis!

Way down below the ocean
where I wanna be she may be,
Way down below the ocean where I wanna be she may be."

Never existed, but that didn't stop Hitler, and a good portion of the the third reich from believing themselves to be direct descendants of Atlantis.

For what it's worth...

if it did exist I say that Dolphins are what happened to the inhabitants of Atlantis when they had to adapt to a life with no land. although adaptation and evolution usually takes millions of years...so I guess I'll call myself on that one...but it's a nice thought isn't it? SOMETHING has to account for Dolphins being smarter than humans on so many different levels...

Read Jung.

As an archaeologist, I complete agree that we're stubborn, especially when it comes to popular legends such as Atlantis. One of the major sections of my final studies was on 'crazy' archaeology and it's relation to the public and the more traditional archaeological factions - with special emphasis on Graham Hancock, and specifically the 'Underworld' site which he located off the coast of India. The Cuba idea, to be honest, doesn't inspire me. There is so much seismic activity in that area that any number of islands could have been submerged (although more likely slowly than in some kind of cataclysm), and therefore sunken ruins being instantly equated with Atlantis are pretty much ten a penny in the coastal Atlantic. There were plenty of nascent civilisations in Southern and Central America who could have produced impressive enough ruins to make it believable, too. The problem really is that unless we find a massive billboard saying 'Welcome To Atlantis' next to a set of cyclopean ruins, we will remain in the realm of conjecture.

The actual evidence for it's existence is indeed based on accounts given second hand to a friend of Plato's by Egyptian priests, who were notorious during the later stages of the Kingdom for spinning stories to tourists in exchange for money. This is pretty thin stuff to base a whole theory around, and to be honest I'm inclined to think that the reason this story has endured is exactly the reason why similar stories exist the world over. Because an idea of a great flood and renewal of civilisation represents a universal archetype in the human subconscious (back to Jung here) and so it fits nicely into our individual brains as being somehow appropriate. Having said that, it would be damn cool if it was true - and there are some really interesting aspects of what Hancock et al have to say, especially the whole crust displacement thing and Atlantis as the Antarctic.

And hey, Troy was considered a legend until it got discovered in the early 1900s. So who knows?

I always thought it was easiest to assume that historians really like to get drunk. That explains Atlantis well enough for me.

Isn't it obvious... that's where Godzilla is hibernating! Meddling fools, you'll kill us all!

Uh... I realize that called yourself on the evolution part of your theory; but I thought I'd kind hammer a couple of nails into the old coffin, just in case.

Dolphins come from either of two distinct types of animals: aquatic mammals of the whale families Delphinidae, Platanistidae, and Stenidae; or oceanic fishes of the family Coryphaenidae. Humans do not. Hence no evolutionary link between Humans and Dolphins. If the Inhabitants of Atlantis became Dolphins it either be a freakish mutation, or a backwards evolution of the Dolphins, and it would surprise the shit outta me. Why you ask?

1) Dolphins have no opposable thumbs. Which means no ability to build the kind of structures consistently referred to in texts.

2)If somehow over the last two thousand years or so, dolphins lost their thumbs, the evolutionary patterns of said creatures would have had to drastically change with the sinking of Atlantis.

3) Even it did change in a radical and rapid manner; it would still take hundereds of years. In such a case, the residents of Atalantis would have either a)drowned or b) found other lands with which to make thier homes. Thus they would either be dead, or have no have had such an evolutionary adaptation in the first place.

And as a point of interest, a great deal of recent scientific reasearch has contridicted earlier reports, in fact stating that Dolphins aren't nearly as intelligent as first thought. Are they dumb animals? certainly not. Are they a species capable of creating a society in advance of what existed in the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and early Greeks societies of the era? Again, it'd surprise the hell out of me.

Atlantis was supposedly in the area that the Mediterranean occupies now, wasn't it?

According to the analysis of Plato's account of Atlantis, right near Gibraltor(sp?).

so, yes.

That's quite an old analysis that assumes that Greek explorers never made it outside of the Mediterranean. Which is a pretty shaky idea. Not trying to start a debate, too tired. Just throwing in some of my degree reading to make it seem worthwhile in retrospect