Should a guy have a say in a abortion?

Butt.

how about for every abortion the guy loses one testicle... might make people think a little harder when they are considering wearing a condom two strikes and you're out of the gene pool

Or...YOU can be the child and think that everything is logical & comes to a fair conclusion.

Here is where you're wrong. He didn't just have sex. He chose to have unprotected sex. One of the consequences of unprotected sex is babies. Regardless if the guy wanted the child or not, the consequences of his actions cannot go unnoticed and forgotten. He isn't being forced into child support, he is simply dealing with the consequences of actions that he had every ability to change.

Had he slipped a condom on, there wouldn't be the consequences of a child being born. For far too long, the responsibility of birth control has been placed firmly on the shoulders of women. It has traditionally been expected that women should be on the pill, or they should be the ones to enforcing the condom issue. When a girl gets pregnant, people rarely say it's the guys fault.

I have gone as far as to pay for birth control for girlfriends and wear condoms. When touched just the right way, my penis shoots baby making juice. This isn't something i just learned, i have known of it all my life. I have been reminded quite often that unprotected sex can, and does lead to pregnancy.

I know the consequences to my actions, i know that if i choose to have unprotected sex, that the consequences could be a life time of hot, itchy crotch or being a father.

If a child is born, i am not being forced to do something i don't want to do. Paying child support and being a father is being responsible for my actions as an intelligent human being.

If the guy doesn't want the kid, put the condom on, or go one step further and ensure that the person he is putting his willy in is on birth control. These are all easy defense measures to making sure that there aren't unwanted consequences.

While I agree with the principle of "personal responsibility as regards fucking", you're speaking as though every conception is the result of (potentially irresponsible) unprotected sex. This is hardly the case.

Condoms break. The pill can be unreliable. Some type of birth control are ineffective for a particular woman, and sometimes the first sign that her IUD / implanon / deppo povera didn't work comes at the end of the third trimester.

Statistically, condoms are effective to a degree that a couple who use one can legitimately and happily feel they have met their sexual responsibility obligation. Condoms have a super low failure rate. They are not, however, perfect.

Reinforcing the myth of the condom, or any other method of birth control, as perfect implies that anyone who has an unexpected pregnancy was irresponsible, and that unfairly maligns responsible people who had really bad luck.

This thread should have just been locked after Pygmy's response.

You're correct. You're also talking to someone that lovingly deals with the results of birth control failing on a daily basis.

I also deal with a mother, that for the most part, does not want to emotionally or financially support her offspring. The shoe is on the other foot for me.

I am also quite aware of the emotional effects that this has on my daughter. I get very irritated, very quickly when people don't want to take responsibility for their actions.

Sex, protected or unprotected can result in consequences that you don't have 100% control over. The second person in the scenario is the variable in those consequences. Regardless of that, 50% of the consequences are your responsibility because you chose to partake in those actions.

Even if the 50% contributor does not want to be emotionally available for the child, i firmly believe that they should be financially required for the child. No one forced the action of sex on them.

They are enforcing responsibility for the chosen actions of an individual.

This however was the best failure of your life. Your daughter is lucky to have you as a father. Your love for her is so apparent every time you mention her.

+1

Totally with you on that, dude.

You're clearly biased.

...but also correct.

I feel like each individual's responsibility and choice lies directly with what they eject out of their bodies.
As men, we have the choice whether or not to eject sperm out of our bodies. If you don't want a baby, retain your fluid. Once it's out of your body, it has nothing to do with you any more. Its not your business.

The woman then decides what to do with the stuff ( in this case a fetus/fertilized egg) inside her body.

It's kind of like a meme.

I am most certainly pro-choice, however that being said in the same way we need to accept it when people have the children and really should not have, we need to accept that people can have abortions for poor reasons as well. It's a question of free will and, perhaps this seems hypocritical or contradictory in lieu of what I just wrote, but it's not our place to judge them.
Unfortunately someone could get hurt in the decision making process. It probably wasn't an easy decision for her to make.

I'd just say...it's complicated.