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hor

hor

USA
June 2005

JAN 11, 2010 06:53 PM

Katieesq said:

CassyLee said:
If you don't want the responsibility then don't have sex.



This is really the crux of the matter, for both parties.


Butt.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JAN 11, 2010 06:55 PM

Murder_ said:
sure, be a child and ignore the other part where I said a man should always listen to what a woman has to say



The problem is, in a case involving the choice whether or not to continue a pregnancy, it can't go both ways if the two parties disagree. If the man in the situation says "I don't want a child" and the woman wants to continue the pregnancy, listening to each other only goes so far. A decision still has to be made, and in the end one person is going to be unhappy with it.

papawheelie

papawheelie

Fisty, KY
February 2003

JAN 11, 2010 08:09 PM

CassyLee said:
If you don't want the responsibility then don't have sex.



how about for every abortion the guy loses one testicle... might make people think a little harder when they are considering wearing a condom wink two strikes and you're out of the gene pool








Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 12, 2010 08:06 PM

Murder_ said:
sure, be a child and ignore the other part where I said a man should always listen to what a woman has to say



Or...YOU can be the child and think that everything is logical & comes to a fair conclusion.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

JAN 12, 2010 08:37 PM

Murder_ said:
and a woman having the kid even though the guy doesn't want it isn't? you have your opinions and I have mine. I don't believe that a guy should be forced into something because he had sex. just like it'd be wrong for a guy to force a woman to keep it if she didn't want it.



Here is where you're wrong. He didn't just have sex. He chose to have unprotected sex. One of the consequences of unprotected sex is babies. Regardless if the guy wanted the child or not, the consequences of his actions cannot go unnoticed and forgotten. He isn't being forced into child support, he is simply dealing with the consequences of actions that he had every ability to change.

Had he slipped a condom on, there wouldn't be the consequences of a child being born. For far too long, the responsibility of birth control has been placed firmly on the shoulders of women. It has traditionally been expected that women should be on the pill, or they should be the ones to enforcing the condom issue. When a girl gets pregnant, people rarely say it's the guys fault.

I have gone as far as to pay for birth control for girlfriends and wear condoms. When touched just the right way, my penis shoots baby making juice. This isn't something i just learned, i have known of it all my life. I have been reminded quite often that unprotected sex can, and does lead to pregnancy.

I know the consequences to my actions, i know that if i choose to have unprotected sex, that the consequences could be a life time of hot, itchy crotch or being a father.

If a child is born, i am not being forced to do something i don't want to do. Paying child support and being a father is being responsible for my actions as an intelligent human being.

If the guy doesn't want the kid, put the condom on, or go one step further and ensure that the person he is putting his willy in is on birth control. These are all easy defense measures to making sure that there aren't unwanted consequences.

Elichrusos

Elichrusos

I'm lost
October 2007

JAN 13, 2010 12:45 AM

DevilsReject said:

Murder_ said:
and a woman having the kid even though the guy doesn't want it isn't? you have your opinions and I have mine. I don't believe that a guy should be forced into something because he had sex. just like it'd be wrong for a guy to force a woman to keep it if she didn't want it.



Here is where you're wrong. He didn't just have sex. He chose to have unprotected sex. One of the consequences of unprotected sex is babies. Regardless if the guy wanted the child or not, the consequences of his actions cannot go unnoticed and forgotten. He isn't being forced into child support, he is simply dealing with the consequences of actions that he had every ability to change.

Had he slipped a condom on, there wouldn't be the consequences of a child being born. For far too long, the responsibility of birth control has been placed firmly on the shoulders of women. It has traditionally been expected that women should be on the pill, or they should be the ones to enforcing the condom issue. When a girl gets pregnant, people rarely say it's the guys fault.

I have gone as far as to pay for birth control for girlfriends and wear condoms. When touched just the right way, my penis shoots baby making juice. This isn't something i just learned, i have known of it all my life. I have been reminded quite often that unprotected sex can, and does lead to pregnancy.

I know the consequences to my actions, i know that if i choose to have unprotected sex, that the consequences could be a life time of hot, itchy crotch or being a father.

If a child is born, i am not being forced to do something i don't want to do. Paying child support and being a father is being responsible for my actions as an intelligent human being.

If the guy doesn't want the kid, put the condom on, or go one step further and ensure that the person he is putting his willy in is on birth control. These are all easy defense measures to making sure that there aren't unwanted consequences.


While I agree with the principle of "personal responsibility as regards fucking", you're speaking as though every conception is the result of (potentially irresponsible) unprotected sex. This is hardly the case.

Condoms break. The pill can be unreliable. Some type of birth control are ineffective for a particular woman, and sometimes the first sign that her IUD / implanon / deppo povera didn't work comes at the end of the third trimester.

Statistically, condoms are effective to a degree that a couple who use one can legitimately and happily feel they have met their sexual responsibility obligation. Condoms have a super low failure rate. They are not, however, perfect.

Reinforcing the myth of the condom, or any other method of birth control, as perfect implies that anyone who has an unexpected pregnancy was irresponsible, and that unfairly maligns responsible people who had really bad luck.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

JAN 13, 2010 02:44 AM

This thread should have just been locked after Pygmy's response.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

JAN 14, 2010 04:22 PM

Elichrusos said:

DevilsReject said:

Murder_ said:
and a woman having the kid even though the guy doesn't want it isn't? you have your opinions and I have mine. I don't believe that a guy should be forced into something because he had sex. just like it'd be wrong for a guy to force a woman to keep it if she didn't want it.



Here is where you're wrong. He didn't just have sex. He chose to have unprotected sex. One of the consequences of unprotected sex is babies. Regardless if the guy wanted the child or not, the consequences of his actions cannot go unnoticed and forgotten. He isn't being forced into child support, he is simply dealing with the consequences of actions that he had every ability to change.

Had he slipped a condom on, there wouldn't be the consequences of a child being born. For far too long, the responsibility of birth control has been placed firmly on the shoulders of women. It has traditionally been expected that women should be on the pill, or they should be the ones to enforcing the condom issue. When a girl gets pregnant, people rarely say it's the guys fault.

I have gone as far as to pay for birth control for girlfriends and wear condoms. When touched just the right way, my penis shoots baby making juice. This isn't something i just learned, i have known of it all my life. I have been reminded quite often that unprotected sex can, and does lead to pregnancy.

I know the consequences to my actions, i know that if i choose to have unprotected sex, that the consequences could be a life time of hot, itchy crotch or being a father.

If a child is born, i am not being forced to do something i don't want to do. Paying child support and being a father is being responsible for my actions as an intelligent human being.

If the guy doesn't want the kid, put the condom on, or go one step further and ensure that the person he is putting his willy in is on birth control. These are all easy defense measures to making sure that there aren't unwanted consequences.


While I agree with the principle of "personal responsibility as regards fucking", you're speaking as though every conception is the result of (potentially irresponsible) unprotected sex. This is hardly the case.

Condoms break. The pill can be unreliable. Some type of birth control are ineffective for a particular woman, and sometimes the first sign that her IUD / implanon / deppo povera didn't work comes at the end of the third trimester.

Statistically, condoms are effective to a degree that a couple who use one can legitimately and happily feel they have met their sexual responsibility obligation. Condoms have a super low failure rate. They are not, however, perfect.

Reinforcing the myth of the condom, or any other method of birth control, as perfect implies that anyone who has an unexpected pregnancy was irresponsible, and that unfairly maligns responsible people who had really bad luck.



You're correct. You're also talking to someone that lovingly deals with the results of birth control failing on a daily basis.

I also deal with a mother, that for the most part, does not want to emotionally or financially support her offspring. The shoe is on the other foot for me.

I am also quite aware of the emotional effects that this has on my daughter. I get very irritated, very quickly when people don't want to take responsibility for their actions.

Sex, protected or unprotected can result in consequences that you don't have 100% control over. The second person in the scenario is the variable in those consequences. Regardless of that, 50% of the consequences are your responsibility because you chose to partake in those actions.

Even if the 50% contributor does not want to be emotionally available for the child, i firmly believe that they should be financially required for the child. No one forced the action of sex on them.

They are enforcing responsibility for the chosen actions of an individual.


IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

JAN 14, 2010 04:54 PM

DevilsReject said: You're correct. You're also talking to someone that lovingly deals with the results of birth control failing on a daily basis.


This however was the best failure of your life. Your daughter is lucky to have you as a father. Your love for her is so apparent every time you mention her.

CassyLee

CassyLee

Capon Bridge, WV
August 2007

JAN 14, 2010 05:58 PM

IDGAS said:

DevilsReject said: You're correct. You're also talking to someone that lovingly deals with the results of birth control failing on a daily basis.


This however was the best failure of your life. Your daughter is lucky to have you as a father. Your love for her is so apparent every time you mention her.



+1

Elichrusos

Elichrusos

I'm lost
October 2007

JAN 14, 2010 11:43 PM

DevilsReject said:
Take responsibility for the consequences of your actions, 'specially if you unintentionally create a person.


Totally with you on that, dude.

Calamity

Calamity

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

JAN 15, 2010 01:40 AM

Morgan said:

pygmy said:
you do have a say. i assume you told her how you felt about it? well, until you can figure out a way for you personally to carry the baby to term, that is the extent of your "say".



This is the best answer.



Yep. So to your topic question: heck no.

ElizaTheTroll

ElizaTheTroll

Australia
January 2006

JAN 15, 2010 02:28 AM

Lemonkid said:
This thread should have just been locked after Pygmy's response.



You're clearly biased.

...but also correct.

sitar

sitar

Philadelphia, PA
June 2004

JAN 15, 2010 06:11 AM

I feel like each individual's responsibility and choice lies directly with what they eject out of their bodies.
As men, we have the choice whether or not to eject sperm out of our bodies. If you don't want a baby, retain your fluid. Once it's out of your body, it has nothing to do with you any more. Its not your business.

The woman then decides what to do with the stuff ( in this case a fetus/fertilized egg) inside her body.

It's kind of like a meme.

Sidnay

Sidnay

Ottawa, ON
June 2007

JAN 18, 2010 05:12 PM

I am most certainly pro-choice, however that being said in the same way we need to accept it when people have the children and really should not have, we need to accept that people can have abortions for poor reasons as well. It's a question of free will and, perhaps this seems hypocritical or contradictory in lieu of what I just wrote, but it's not our place to judge them.
Unfortunately someone could get hurt in the decision making process. It probably wasn't an easy decision for her to make.

Nixon

Nixon

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 18, 2010 10:44 PM

I think that part of having a partner is listening to them. I'm past the point in my life where I care about having sex with someone if I don't care about their opinion, trust them, and respect their judgment.

That being said, the woman still has the last say in this. But if I had a partner who really felt that an abortion would traumatize him totally, the sort of thing he would truly regret and be unable to live with, and was willing to take on the post-birth responsibility of raising a kid even if I didn't want to do so with him, it would have to be an option on the table.

Gigondas

Gigondas

Charlotte, NC
January 2003

JAN 19, 2010 12:16 AM

I'd just say...it's complicated.

Tweedle

Tweedle

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

JAN 22, 2010 08:06 AM

I think the girl should be responsible enough to inform her partner of the situation, ask how he feels about it... but that's as far as it goes. A woman should not be forced to go through a pregnancy by ANYONE, including her partner.

It is something that people, especially those in relationships, should probably discuss their views on, if not before having sex, at least at some point... core values like that are huge in relationships, and if you're having sex, no matter what birth control you're using, there's always that possibility, and it's probably a good idea to know whether you're going to be on the same page if that situation arises.

My boyfriend and myself had this discussion at one point... of course it wasn't an easy thing for him to answer, because it IS one of those situations that can change once you're put into it. But it's still good to discuss these things.

Couples need more communication!

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