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DEC 23, 2007 10:22 AM
StarBelliedBoy said:
Personally, I frequently see people paying for hundreds of dollars worth of booze in straight cash, and yet they have an access card in their wallet. Also, women paying for boxes of wine with child support cards.
Yeah! How dare poor people ever have any luxuries or treats at all, right? They should just buy only what we think is acceptable for them to buy!
Who the fuck are you to judge, anyway?
I've spent a lot of time seriously struggling with money, and I've also spent some time being homeless. You know what? When I was homeless, I'd sometimes spend the very small amounts of money I got on a bar of candy, or some other kind of treat. And you know why? Because crippling poverty didn't suddenly stop me from being a human being, and human beings sometimes like to take comfort in small treats. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone on welfare maybe wanting to treat themselves to one nice fucking thing, and that fact that you judge people from your high and mighty position as someone who doesn't need government assistance makes you look petty and cruel.
I really am so sick of people picking at every little thing that those on welfare choose to buy. When I'm at the grocery store and I see someone buying candy or some ice cream or even *gasp* some beer with government assistance, my first though is that maybe they had a luckier week than most and felt like they could treat themselves to something nice for once, not that they are horrible thieving people who are obviously trying to cheat the government. So many people want to assume the worst about people on welfare. I thought I was bitter and cynical, but at least I don't judge my fellow human beings for what they choose to buy at the grocery store or liquor store.
DEC 23, 2007 11:22 AM
StarBelliedBoy said:
_Twitch_ said:
StarBelliedBoy said:
Also, women paying for boxes of wine with child support cards.
If I were a single mom, I'd need to buy wine by the box too.
I guess you think the funds on the child support card should be segregated and only used specifically for the care of the children, right? How about buying groceries that *gasp* the whole family is going to eat. Maybe even her new boyfriend who isn't even helping support the kids! The horror!
Yeah, getting ripped is pretty good for the kids. Keeps 'em from getting beaten, right?
So, because a woman can't afford to support her family without public assistance, she shouldn't be allowed to indulge in a box of shitty wine every now and then?
I'm going to use myself as an example here... I'm not exactly well off. I make slightly above Illinois' minimum wage. I don't quite live in poverty, only because I've gotten very lucky with things like living accommodations. To illustrate how much money I don't have, I was forced to live in what you could call a ghetto for a year. It wasn't Cabrini-Green, but it wasn't Wicker Park, either. I lived within sight of two housing projects, one run by the county, and the other run by the City of Rockford. My apartment was one room, and infested with roaches and mice. The rent was cheap, and the only thing I had to pay for was cable Internet access. Crime was a problem, and so were inconsiderate neighbours. I had to deal with loud music, people shouting at each other to carry on a normal conversation, and those annoying "chirp" sounds that Boost Mobile phones make. I have since moved somewhere with lower rent where Internet access and utilities are provided, and it's in a better neighbourhood.
I could save up money judiciously in order to afford a better place, and I have no doubt in my mind that I could pay all the bills and feed myself if I didn't spend money on what other people think are "frivolous expenses". However, if I did that, I'd go insane and kill myself and/or others. I need my "frivolous" expenses. I need to be able to get drunk on my nights off, and I need to be able to go out of town on some of those nights. I need to spend money on things like New Rock boots, custom made corsets, and shillelaghs. It dulls the pain of selling my soul and my dignity for $7.65/hr. It also makes my existence feel a little less pointless.
Yes, I could be scolded for being a spendthrift, because I may not NEED to go out of town, or to get drunk, or to wear New Rocks, or to have custom made corsets. It could even be argued that I don't need a shillelagh, but I dispute that claim. I need some form of weapon that I can carry with me everywhere, and a shillelagh is less likely to get me arrested for using it than a knife is. Anyhow, I don't need those things for survival, but I do need them to make my life bearable. Maybe that box of wine is what is keeping Ms. Single-Mom-On-Welfare from drowning her kids in a bathtub and then turning a .45 on herself...
DEC 23, 2007 11:23 AM
Morgan said:
StarBelliedBoy said:
Personally, I frequently see people paying for hundreds of dollars worth of booze in straight cash, and yet they have an access card in their wallet. Also, women paying for boxes of wine with child support cards.
Yeah! How dare poor people ever have any luxuries or treats at all, right? They should just buy only what we think is acceptable for them to buy!
Who the fuck are you to judge, anyway?
I've spent a lot of time seriously struggling with money, and I've also spent some time being homeless. You know what? When I was homeless, I'd sometimes spend the very small amounts of money I got on a bar of candy, or some other kind of treat. And you know why? Because crippling poverty didn't suddenly stop me from being a human being, and human beings sometimes like to take comfort in small treats. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone on welfare maybe wanting to treat themselves to one nice fucking thing, and that fact that you judge people from your high and mighty position as someone who doesn't need government assistance makes you look petty and cruel.
I really am so sick of people picking at every little thing that those on welfare choose to buy. When I'm at the grocery store and I see someone buying candy or some ice cream or even *gasp* some beer with government assistance, my first though is that maybe they had a luckier week than most and felt like they could treat themselves to something nice for once, not that they are horrible thieving people who are obviously trying to cheat the government. So many people want to assume the worst about people on welfare. I thought I was bitter and cynical, but at least I don't judge my fellow human beings for what they choose to buy at the grocery store or liquor store.
As someone who as a child frequently went hungry because irresponsible parenting led to a lot of government-mandated child-raising funds being spent on things like beer and cigarettes, I think I can say with something resembling authority that there's a nice big difference between an individual using their own funds, however meager, for whatever purpose they see fit and the quoted example of a mother buying boxes of wine with child support cards.
DEC 23, 2007 11:44 AM
BlastProcessing said:
Morgan said:
StarBelliedBoy said:
Personally, I frequently see people paying for hundreds of dollars worth of booze in straight cash, and yet they have an access card in their wallet. Also, women paying for boxes of wine with child support cards.
Yeah! How dare poor people ever have any luxuries or treats at all, right? They should just buy only what we think is acceptable for them to buy!
Who the fuck are you to judge, anyway?
I've spent a lot of time seriously struggling with money, and I've also spent some time being homeless. You know what? When I was homeless, I'd sometimes spend the very small amounts of money I got on a bar of candy, or some other kind of treat. And you know why? Because crippling poverty didn't suddenly stop me from being a human being, and human beings sometimes like to take comfort in small treats. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone on welfare maybe wanting to treat themselves to one nice fucking thing, and that fact that you judge people from your high and mighty position as someone who doesn't need government assistance makes you look petty and cruel.
I really am so sick of people picking at every little thing that those on welfare choose to buy. When I'm at the grocery store and I see someone buying candy or some ice cream or even *gasp* some beer with government assistance, my first though is that maybe they had a luckier week than most and felt like they could treat themselves to something nice for once, not that they are horrible thieving people who are obviously trying to cheat the government. So many people want to assume the worst about people on welfare. I thought I was bitter and cynical, but at least I don't judge my fellow human beings for what they choose to buy at the grocery store or liquor store.
As someone who as a child frequently went hungry because irresponsible parenting led to a lot of government-mandated child-raising funds being spent on things like beer and cigarettes, I think I can say with something resembling authority that there's a nice big difference between an individual using their own funds, however meager, for whatever purpose they see fit and the quoted example of a mother buying boxes of wine with child support cards.
But are her kids going hungry? I say that none of us knows what was really going on, so therefore we should reserve judgment.
DEC 23, 2007 11:57 AM
Domo_Kun said:
BlastProcessing said:
Morgan said:
StarBelliedBoy said:
Personally, I frequently see people paying for hundreds of dollars worth of booze in straight cash, and yet they have an access card in their wallet. Also, women paying for boxes of wine with child support cards.
Yeah! How dare poor people ever have any luxuries or treats at all, right? They should just buy only what we think is acceptable for them to buy!
Who the fuck are you to judge, anyway?
I've spent a lot of time seriously struggling with money, and I've also spent some time being homeless. You know what? When I was homeless, I'd sometimes spend the very small amounts of money I got on a bar of candy, or some other kind of treat. And you know why? Because crippling poverty didn't suddenly stop me from being a human being, and human beings sometimes like to take comfort in small treats. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone on welfare maybe wanting to treat themselves to one nice fucking thing, and that fact that you judge people from your high and mighty position as someone who doesn't need government assistance makes you look petty and cruel.
I really am so sick of people picking at every little thing that those on welfare choose to buy. When I'm at the grocery store and I see someone buying candy or some ice cream or even *gasp* some beer with government assistance, my first though is that maybe they had a luckier week than most and felt like they could treat themselves to something nice for once, not that they are horrible thieving people who are obviously trying to cheat the government. So many people want to assume the worst about people on welfare. I thought I was bitter and cynical, but at least I don't judge my fellow human beings for what they choose to buy at the grocery store or liquor store.
As someone who as a child frequently went hungry because irresponsible parenting led to a lot of government-mandated child-raising funds being spent on things like beer and cigarettes, I think I can say with something resembling authority that there's a nice big difference between an individual using their own funds, however meager, for whatever purpose they see fit and the quoted example of a mother buying boxes of wine with child support cards.
But are her kids going hungry? I say that none of us knows what was really going on, so therefore we should reserve judgment.
When certain monies are mandated by the government to be used for the rearing of a child, those monies should be used for no other purpose.
DEC 23, 2007 01:13 PM
BlastProcessing said:
Domo_Kun said:
BlastProcessing said:
Morgan said:
StarBelliedBoy said:
Personally, I frequently see people paying for hundreds of dollars worth of booze in straight cash, and yet they have an access card in their wallet. Also, women paying for boxes of wine with child support cards.
Yeah! How dare poor people ever have any luxuries or treats at all, right? They should just buy only what we think is acceptable for them to buy!
Who the fuck are you to judge, anyway?
I've spent a lot of time seriously struggling with money, and I've also spent some time being homeless. You know what? When I was homeless, I'd sometimes spend the very small amounts of money I got on a bar of candy, or some other kind of treat. And you know why? Because crippling poverty didn't suddenly stop me from being a human being, and human beings sometimes like to take comfort in small treats. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone on welfare maybe wanting to treat themselves to one nice fucking thing, and that fact that you judge people from your high and mighty position as someone who doesn't need government assistance makes you look petty and cruel.
I really am so sick of people picking at every little thing that those on welfare choose to buy. When I'm at the grocery store and I see someone buying candy or some ice cream or even *gasp* some beer with government assistance, my first though is that maybe they had a luckier week than most and felt like they could treat themselves to something nice for once, not that they are horrible thieving people who are obviously trying to cheat the government. So many people want to assume the worst about people on welfare. I thought I was bitter and cynical, but at least I don't judge my fellow human beings for what they choose to buy at the grocery store or liquor store.
As someone who as a child frequently went hungry because irresponsible parenting led to a lot of government-mandated child-raising funds being spent on things like beer and cigarettes, I think I can say with something resembling authority that there's a nice big difference between an individual using their own funds, however meager, for whatever purpose they see fit and the quoted example of a mother buying boxes of wine with child support cards.
But are her kids going hungry? I say that none of us knows what was really going on, so therefore we should reserve judgment.
When certain monies are mandated by the government to be used for the rearing of a child, those monies should be used for no other purpose.
Those monies aren't MANDATED to be used for anything. They are a supplement. If there was a mandate, then it wouldn't be possible to buy that stuff. At least, that's how it works here. I'm sure other states have similar mechanisms with their public assistance.
DEC 23, 2007 01:18 PM
My sole problem with people on welfare in grocery stores is the ungodly amount of time their transactions take. Getting stuck behind someone with a WIC card or food stamps is basically the worst thing that can happen to a person in a supermarket.
DEC 23, 2007 01:33 PM
BlastProcessing said:
As someone who as a child frequently went hungry because irresponsible parenting led to a lot of government-mandated child-raising funds being spent on things like beer and cigarettes, I think I can say with something resembling authority that there's a nice big difference between an individual using their own funds, however meager, for whatever purpose they see fit and the quoted example of a mother buying boxes of wine with child support cards.
CHILD SUPPORT CARDS ARE HER OWN FUNDS. The only reason they are on a state issued card is because the deadbeat father had to be garnished or otherwise coerced by the state to give up the fucking dough for the kids SHE is supporting.
DEC 23, 2007 02:20 PM
_Twitch_ said:
BlastProcessing said:
As someone who as a child frequently went hungry because irresponsible parenting led to a lot of government-mandated child-raising funds being spent on things like beer and cigarettes, I think I can say with something resembling authority that there's a nice big difference between an individual using their own funds, however meager, for whatever purpose they see fit and the quoted example of a mother buying boxes of wine with child support cards.
CHILD SUPPORT CARDS ARE HER OWN FUNDS. The only reason they are on a state issued card is because the deadbeat father had to be garnished or otherwise coerced by the state to give up the fucking dough for the kids SHE is supporting.
And those funds, whether given freely or by governmental action, should only be used for care of the child in question.
DEC 23, 2007 02:33 PM
Keeping mommy sane seems like a good thing to spend money on when you have children. Miserable parents are no fun.
DEC 23, 2007 04:38 PM
Morgan said:
Keeping mommy sane seems like a good thing to spend money on when you have children. Miserable parents are no fun.
I don't know if I advocate people who have to inebriate themselves to remain quote-unquote sane having children in the first place.
DEC 23, 2007 04:46 PM
bald_eagle said:
BlastProcessing said:
_Twitch_ said:
BlastProcessing said:
As someone who as a child frequently went hungry because irresponsible parenting led to a lot of government-mandated child-raising funds being spent on things like beer and cigarettes, I think I can say with something resembling authority that there's a nice big difference between an individual using their own funds, however meager, for whatever purpose they see fit and the quoted example of a mother buying boxes of wine with child support cards.
CHILD SUPPORT CARDS ARE HER OWN FUNDS. The only reason they are on a state issued card is because the deadbeat father had to be garnished or otherwise coerced by the state to give up the fucking dough for the kids SHE is supporting.
And those funds, whether given freely or by governmental action, should only be used for care of the child in question.
If she uses money from her employment to buy food and other things the support might have bought, then uses the support card for wine, what difference does it make?
You're making the assumption that the kids are doing without something because of this. I think the assumption is unwarranted.
Exactly.
DEC 23, 2007 05:11 PM
I, for one, am outraged by some guy's story about some mother buying wine.
OUTRAGED!!
DEC 23, 2007 05:13 PM
PointBlank said:
I, for one, am outraged by some guy's story about some mother buying wine.
OUTRAGED!!
It's not just one guy. It's a bunch of assholes egging each other on by validating their shared intolerance for poor people.
DEC 23, 2007 05:15 PM
_Twitch_ said:
PointBlank said:
I, for one, am outraged by some guy's story about some mother buying wine.
OUTRAGED!!
It's not just one guy. It's a bunch of assholes egging each other on by validating their shared intolerance for poor people.
I'm on your side!
I just think the guy brought up some lame anecdotal, probably bullshit scenario that is always trumped up in order to cast poor women in an unfavorable light.
DEC 23, 2007 05:47 PM
MrStitches said:
My sole problem with people on welfare in grocery stores is the ungodly amount of time their transactions take. Getting stuck behind someone with a WIC card or food stamps is basically the worst thing that can happen to a person in a supermarket.
Sounds like your state needs to upgrade their system. It doesn't take people here any longer to use their EBT (food stamp) card than it does a credit card. Frankly I'd rather see someone if front of me with an EBT card than some idiot who doesn't start writing his check until all his purchases are rung up.
DEC 23, 2007 07:26 PM
BlastProcessing said:
I don't know if I advocate people who have to inebriate themselves to remain quote-unquote sane having children in the first place.
But hey, I didn't say anything about people getting drunk. I'm saying that most people like to have a beer every once in awhile, and just because someone is poor doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do that without being judged.
PointBlank said:I just think the guy brought up some lame anecdotal, probably bullshit scenario that is always trumped up in order to cast poor women in an unfavorable light.
Yeah, I call shenanigans on the original story as well. It's amazing how much people want to pick at everything poor women do, and I've seen all kinds of exaggerated stories like this used as "evidence" to support such an unfair and judgmental opinions.
DEC 23, 2007 10:57 PM
Oh, it's very simple, really. If only I can convince myself that poor people are lazy and morally deficient and thus brought it onto themselves, I don't have to be afraid that being poor could ever happen to me.
DevilsReject
Cleveland, OH
February 2007
DEC 24, 2007 01:26 AM
This one time, i went into a store and tried to buy cigarettes with a child support check i just cashed, because the mother of my daughter finally paid the support that was close to 8 months behind.
The guy behind the counter said "hey you can't buy cigarettes with that money! That's for the welfare of your child"
I then said "I don't have a child, i ate her as a baby, i eat babies, can i get some lottery tickets too?"
Much as the person stated about the woman buying the wine, i really don't care what you think i should do with money that is mine. When i was receiving child support, the insufficient and minimal amount i got for support was so far behind, it was basically paying me back for the tenth of the amount i spent on my daughter. I have since stopped receiving child support completely.
back to the amusing asshat customers plz.k.thx
DEC 24, 2007 01:31 AM
So far, the customers have been pretty cool. Today is the last before Chrismas. It shouldn't be bad.
Merry Christmas.
Bleeder
USA
August 2003
DEC 23, 2007 10:01 AM