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wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 03, 2009 09:50 AM

Post your grievances, pet peeves, denunciations, corrections, problems, philosophies, favorite linguist and related matters here.

I'm going to start with some pet peeves:

-It's "people who," "things that." That simple. Example: The man, who was fond of speculating. . . VS The ball, that went on a seemingly impossible trajectory. . .

-Believe it or not, there is a difference between "then" and "than". "Than" is a comparison and "then" is of or related to time.

-Affect and effect: I know it's confusing, but, really. . . verb/noun. Effect being the latter.

-"There" and "their" and they're. C'mon.

-Ending a sentence in a preposition: It's usually not so terrible, but unless it makes a sentence awkward, don't do it. I die a little inside when I hear a sentence like, "Where are we supposed to be at?"

-Unless you are well versed, leave the mixed metaphors to the experts. Seriously.

- Incorrect mispronunciation leads to bad grammar and spelling. Too many people tend to spell things how they pronounce it. For many of us, it's a bad idea. Learn who to enunciate and pronounce things by learning to spell them. It improves both.


-As a matter of fact, and even though I'm conflicted on this, leave the rule breaking to the experts. Learn your language well and then bend the rules. Language is living, but don't abuse the privilege. Sure, I love Cockney slang, hobo speak, and rail jumper talk, but, the things are shibboleths
and don't get us communicating with one another well. Standardization has its place: it helps to communicate more effectively with a broader range of people.

/not-quite-a-screed, for now.

-

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

SEP 03, 2009 11:06 AM

lose/loose gets my goat.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

SEP 03, 2009 11:11 AM

You guys want me to post some goodies when I pick up freshmen comp papers in a few weeks? I'm sure there will be a few gems.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 03, 2009 11:18 AM

lil_tuffy said:
lose/loose gets my goat.



I've been guilty of this, on occasion, as a typo; it gets my feckin' goat, too.

wildswan said:
- Incorrect mispronunciation leads to bad grammar and spelling. Too many people tend to spell things how they pronounce it. For many of us, it's a bad idea. Learn who to enunciate and pronounce things by learning to spell them. It improves both.



*shudder* This was a typo. A typo that happens to remind me of one of my big pet peeves: double negatives and redundancy. Here I am committing the crime while on a soapbox.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 03, 2009 11:19 AM

Coyotemike said:
You guys want me to post some goodies when I pick up freshmen comp papers in a few weeks? I'm sure there will be a few gems.



Oh, hell yeah!

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 03, 2009 11:32 AM

lil_tuffy said:
gets my goat.




Factoid: the origin of the expression, "Get my goat," comes from a practice where goats were provided to race horses as calming companions. In order to stack the decks, and lower the odds for a race horse, someone would abduct the horse's goat in order to upset the horse before a race. Thus sprang the expression.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

SEP 03, 2009 11:36 AM

I can give a few examples I've seen. The errors are real. The sentences are my own creations.

Did you know that the Us keeps tarrorists at Guan Tanamo?

Weather or not the whetherman is write is a matter of opinion.

Too men walked out of a bar. They had to much two drink.

John Wayne often rode a Palimino whores to go see the horse.

Their ones was a family named Smith. They lived over they're. There going on vacation next week.

jane_m

jane_m

USA
October 2006

SEP 03, 2009 11:39 AM

The whole your/you're thing is my biggest annoyance. It is not hard to figure out which one is the proper one to use in any given situation.

Another big one is "come on" somehow turning into "common". I could go on and on, but I have a plane (plain!?!?!) to catch.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

SEP 03, 2009 11:49 AM

i hate people who can't manage proper capitalization.

wildswan said:
- Incorrect mispronunciation leads to bad grammar and spelling. Too many people tend to spell things how they pronounce it. For many of us, it's a bad idea. Learn who to enunciate and pronounce things by learning to spell them. It improves both.


augh, i get so screwed up trying to keep pronunciation and spelling separate. for instance, the word "separate": in order to keep the spelling straight in my head, i mentally pronounce it "sep-arr-ate"... which occasionally leads me to stumble over it when i'm saying it out loud.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 03, 2009 12:00 PM

motorfirebox said:
i hate people who can't manage proper capitalization.

wildswan said:
- Incorrect mispronunciation leads to bad grammar and spelling. Too many people tend to spell things how they pronounce it. For many of us, it's a bad idea. Learn who to enunciate and pronounce things by learning to spell them. It improves both.


augh, i get so screwed up trying to keep pronunciation and spelling separate. for instance, the word "separate": in order to keep the spelling straight in my head, i mentally pronounce it "sep-arr-ate"... which occasionally leads me to stumble over it when i'm saying it out loud.



Yeah, it's a homograph and not a homophone.



Who has trouble with irregular verbs? For example, lay vs lie.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

SEP 03, 2009 12:06 PM

Irregardless . . . .GAH!!!

ScientistofSleep

ScientistofSleep

New Zealand
November 2007

SEP 03, 2009 12:23 PM

Coyotemike said:
Their ones was a family named Smith. They lived over they're. There going on vacation next week.



a pet hate of mine, seriously, they're not even pronounced the same, seriously.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

SEP 03, 2009 12:36 PM

scientistofsleep said:

Coyotemike said:
Their ones was a family named Smith. They lived over they're. There going on vacation next week.



a pet hate of mine, seriously, they're not even pronounced the same, seriously.



That depends on where you are and what sort of English you're speaking. They're, there, and their may sound different when you say them, but they sound identical from me.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

SEP 03, 2009 12:43 PM

I see a Godwin coming to this thread soon.

Tritone

Tritone

Saint Paul, MN
May 2004

SEP 03, 2009 01:09 PM

wildswan said:
-Affect and effect: I know it's confusing, but, really. . . verb/noun. Effect being the latter.



I wish I had more power to effect change on this issue.

siamkittie

siamkittie

New York, NY
March 2006

SEP 03, 2009 01:32 PM

there

their

they're

I don't have to explain because it just don't matters.

*face palm*

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

SEP 03, 2009 01:37 PM

Once my granpaw died, my grammar had to sell their house.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

SEP 03, 2009 01:42 PM

One of the more common spoken things that makes me want to punch puppies: ASK.
"Yo! Can I ax you a question?"
The word is spelled A-S-K.

siamkittie said:
there

their

they're



Don't forget You're and your.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 03, 2009 02:37 PM

Oh! This one I'm guilty of on occasion, and then I flog myself: There's some. . . There's these. . . Using the singular contacted form of this pronoun is rampant.

siamkittie

siamkittie

New York, NY
March 2006

SEP 03, 2009 03:15 PM

mydogfarted said:
One of the more common spoken things that makes me want to punch puppies: ASK.
"Yo! Can I ax you a question?"
The word is spelled A-S-K.

siamkittie said:
there

their

they're



Don't forget You're and your.



Ahh hells to the no, I work in the world that is all corporate and I hears peoples, white peoples,speakin 'axed' to mah faced all them times.

Seriously, how do you have a job? I'm shaking right now because I just can't fathom how people like that make more money than I do.

Jussayin.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

SEP 03, 2009 03:43 PM

siamkittie said:
Seriously, how do you have a job? I'm shaking right now because I just can't fathom how people like that make more money than I do.



Because the man is trying to keep my yellow sistas down.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

SEP 03, 2009 04:04 PM

You can't cross a skreet/skreek 'cause it doesn't exist!

Charley

Charley

SUICIDEGIRL

United Kingdom

SEP 03, 2009 04:05 PM

I get very upset by sentences that start with a lowercase letter or 'I' being uncapitalized.

El_Bandito

El_Bandito

Hialeah, FL
April 2005

SEP 03, 2009 04:06 PM

Coyotemike said:
Irregardless . . . .GAH!!!



Makes me want to punch babies.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

SEP 03, 2009 04:18 PM

mydogfarted said:
One of the more common spoken things that makes me want to punch puppies: ASK.
"Yo! Can I ax you a question?"
The word is spelled A-S-K.



That's not a grammar thing. It's just a regional pronunciation, and I don't really think you can fault people for growing up with regional accents.

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