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gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

MAR 21, 2009 12:22 AM

I'll admit it. I cried.

Homme

Homme

Los Angeles, CA
January 2009

MAR 21, 2009 12:44 AM

WHY ISN'T IT ON iTUNES YET? IT'S ALWAYS UP BY MIDNIGHT PST!! WHAT'S THE FRAKKING FUCKING HOLD UP?! I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

I'M RAGIN'!!

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

MAR 21, 2009 12:57 AM

<3

Drake

Drake

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAR 21, 2009 04:20 AM

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It was a somewhat satisfying finale but not completely. It seems like all my most pressing questions had non-answers...

Why is their civilization identical to ours?
Destiny and coincidence.

What is Starbuck?
Not really explained at all.

Why is Hera vital to the survival of the race(s)?
Still not sure.

The "angels" and the whole "divine power" thing seems like a huge cop-out, even though obviously that's what the writers planned from the beginning... I guess I was hoping for some startling new revelations and not just, "Everything happened that way because of magic."

One last thing that bothered me was the red herring prophecies that never came true, like Roslin dying before her people made it to Earth, and Starbuck being the harbinger of death? Didn't happen! You can't just leave a prophecy unfulfilled!

It was dramatic though and fun to watch.



Oh yeah, and I cried too. blush

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAR 21, 2009 07:58 AM

as far as Hera...



still processing the finale. i'd watched up to 4.11 yesterday. this morning at around 5am, i plugged in 4.12 and watched all the way through. hell of a ride.

Homme

Homme

Los Angeles, CA
January 2009

MAR 21, 2009 06:00 PM

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

MAR 21, 2009 06:11 PM

Darke

Darke

Columbia, MO
June 2005

MAR 21, 2009 07:08 PM

Drake said:

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What is Starbuck?
Not really explained at all.

Why is Hera vital to the survival of the race(s)?
Still not sure.



Oh yeah, and I cried too. blush



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Starbuck- after the piano playing thing, I thought she was the #7 "Daniel" they kept talking about being gender bent and planted like the final five. The Sensitive Artist talking to "himself" during the piano session. Buuut they way they treated her in the end, she must have just been a ghost or an angel or something.... I was hoping for more explanation and less spirituality.

And like it's been said, Hera was Mitochondrial Eve, every modern day human was her direct ancestor.

Homme

Homme

Los Angeles, CA
January 2009

MAR 21, 2009 07:11 PM

Darke said:

Drake said:

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What is Starbuck?
Not really explained at all.

Why is Hera vital to the survival of the race(s)?
Still not sure.



Oh yeah, and I cried too. blush



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Starbuck- after the piano playing thing, I thought she was the #7 "Daniel" they kept talking about being gender bent and planted like the final five. The Sensitive Artist talking to "himself" during the piano session. Buuut they way they treated her in the end, she must have just been a ghost or an angel or something.... I was hoping for more explanation and less spirituality.

And like it's been said, Hera was Mitochondrial Eve, every modern day human was her direct ancestor.



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A lot of people are saying, "What was Kara? What happened to her? They didn't address Kara!"

Well, not in formal explanation, but I think the imagery was pretty clear. Here's my take: Kara died in season 3. "God" sent her back as the "Harbinger of Death" or an Angel of Death, if you prefer. Note the "death" part; she wasn't a "Harbinger of the End of Human Life" or the "Harbinger of the Apocalypse." She was "god's" solider. She was only feeling right when she was killing people: Mutineers, enemy Cylons. She was certainly bringing "death" there.

And then, on Earth, she disappears out of thin air after realizing that "her work was done." What other explanation could there be? I think the only way that Moore could have made it clearer would to have Kara talking to Head Six and Head Baltar during the last scene (but that may have felt like an Star Wars: Ep. 6 rip-off).

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

MAR 21, 2009 07:15 PM

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moore pretty much has said that "starbuck is starbuck".

Kara is what you want her to be. It’s easy to put the label on her of “angel” or “messenger of God” or something like that. Kara Thrace died and was resurrected and came back and took the people to their final end. That was her role, her destiny in the show… We debated back and forth in the writers’ room about giving it more clarity and saying definitively what she is. We decided that the more you try to put a name on it, the less interesting it became, and we just decided this was the most interesting way for her to go out, with her just disappearing and [leave people wondering exactly what she was].



"angel?" "messiah?" i'm sticking with "pigeon."

Homme

Homme

Los Angeles, CA
January 2009

MAR 21, 2009 07:22 PM

So, basically, Pigeons may shoot us.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

MAR 21, 2009 08:42 PM

no wonder she didn't get along with kat.

Homme

Homme

Los Angeles, CA
January 2009

MAR 22, 2009 12:08 AM

I'm working on my Col. Tigh impression. Just grizzle your voice and yell,

"YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAH!"

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAR 22, 2009 12:53 AM

here's my read on a few questions. it has to be said that i'll go a long way to make things make sense, so consider this with a grain of salt:

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Why is their civilization identical to ours?


i kinda like the idea that it's programming. the cylon society that formed on old Earth shows that cylons are as 'human' as humans are. so it may be that at some point, a society of skinjob cylons created a mechanical servitor race that evolved into humans. who knows which is the 'original' species, if there even is one. the existence of 'humans' on new Earth strongly suggests that not only has it all happened before, it may have all happened before in a completely separate cycle from the human-cylon struggle featured in the show. this would also go a long way towards explaining much of the show's 'supernatural' elements.

One last thing that bothered me was the red herring prophecies that never came true, like Roslin dying before her people made it to Earth, and Starbuck being the harbinger of death? Didn't happen! You can't just leave a prophecy unfulfilled!


i think Starbuck's prophecies were fulfilled. everywhere she went, people died, and she only 'felt right' in the middle of a firefight that threatened to end the species. and she did lead them all to their end--the human and cylon races effectively ended on new Earth, combining with the indigent humans to form a genetic whole separate from either previous civilization. the Galactica and the rest of the fleet were flown into the sun, their leaders have scattered, and the remnants of the cylon fleet have been left with no way to continue as a species. Thrace ended both civilizations.

as for Rosalyn, she really didn't "live to enter the new land". i mean, yeah, she got there, but she didn't live long enough to go along with her race as it began its new existence. they arrived, they figured out a plan, and as they began to execute that plan, Rosalyn died.

What is Starbuck?


i think she came back as whatever Head Six and Head Baltar are. she's 'real' but she's not real--a hallucination shared through the protocols programmed into all humans and cylons, but which has its own distinct will and existence separate from those who it touches.



i've rarely seen a series end with such weight and finality.

Homme

Homme

Los Angeles, CA
January 2009

MAR 22, 2009 01:42 AM

Okay, best part of the finale:

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Head Six (in her red evening-dress with make-up and hair): Commercialism, decadence, technology run-amok... remind you of anything?

Head Baltar (in his silk shirt, striped suit and wrap-around sun glasses): Take your pick...



Angels are hypocrites.

Drake

Drake

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAR 22, 2009 02:24 PM

motorfirebox said:
here's my read on a few questions. it has to be said that i'll go a long way to make things make sense, so consider this with a grain of salt:

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Why is their civilization identical to ours?


i kinda like the idea that it's programming. the cylon society that formed on old Earth shows that cylons are as 'human' as humans are. so it may be that at some point, a society of skinjob cylons created a mechanical servitor race that evolved into humans. who knows which is the 'original' species, if there even is one. the existence of 'humans' on new Earth strongly suggests that not only has it all happened before, it may have all happened before in a completely separate cycle from the human-cylon struggle featured in the show. this would also go a long way towards explaining much of the show's 'supernatural' elements.

One last thing that bothered me was the red herring prophecies that never came true, like Roslin dying before her people made it to Earth, and Starbuck being the harbinger of death? Didn't happen! You can't just leave a prophecy unfulfilled!


i think Starbuck's prophecies were fulfilled. everywhere she went, people died, and she only 'felt right' in the middle of a firefight that threatened to end the species. and she did lead them all to their end--the human and cylon races effectively ended on new Earth, combining with the indigent humans to form a genetic whole separate from either previous civilization. the Galactica and the rest of the fleet were flown into the sun, their leaders have scattered, and the remnants of the cylon fleet have been left with no way to continue as a species. Thrace ended both civilizations.

as for Rosalyn, she really didn't "live to enter the new land". i mean, yeah, she got there, but she didn't live long enough to go along with her race as it began its new existence. they arrived, they figured out a plan, and as they began to execute that plan, Rosalyn died.

What is Starbuck?


i think she came back as whatever Head Six and Head Baltar are. she's 'real' but she's not real--a hallucination shared through the protocols programmed into all humans and cylons, but which has its own distinct will and existence separate from those who it touches.



i've rarely seen a series end with such weight and finality.



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Ok, I'll buy it. Everything else in the show seemed to fit together so neatly... I just wasn't expecting such vagueness at the end. I also thought all along that the spiritual stuff was a metaphor for something very specific and "real" that would be revealed at some point... guess not. tongue

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAR 22, 2009 06:17 PM

i'll be kinda disappointed if The Plan and/or Caprica don't go a long way towards answering those questions.

J24U

J24U

Danvers, MA
February 2006

MAR 22, 2009 06:29 PM

One of my favorite little details from the finale:

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Getting to see the rarely used "museum" wing of the galactica, in the very awesome raptor jump to ftl from inside the museum.

Also, the fact that they threw some old school cylon centurions in the mix was very cool as well.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

MAR 22, 2009 06:44 PM

J24U said:
One of my favorite little details from the finale:

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Getting to see the rarely used "museum" wing of the galactica, in the very awesome raptor jump to ftl from inside the museum.

Also, the fact that they threw some old school cylon centurions in the mix was very cool as well.



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funny how some of the best scenes in the series are "oh shit, i can't believe they jumped into/out of that!"

J24U

J24U

Danvers, MA
February 2006

MAR 22, 2009 06:48 PM

MrCrisp said:

J24U said:
One of my favorite little details from the finale:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Getting to see the rarely used "museum" wing of the galactica, in the very awesome raptor jump to ftl from inside the museum.

Also, the fact that they threw some old school cylon centurions in the mix was very cool as well.



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funny how some of the best scenes in the series are "oh shit, i can't believe they jumped into/out of that!"



They all pale to the Galactica's orbital drop into New Caprica though; "holy shit" moment of the series for me.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

MAR 22, 2009 06:58 PM

J24U said:

MrCrisp said:

J24U said:
One of my favorite little details from the finale:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Getting to see the rarely used "museum" wing of the galactica, in the very awesome raptor jump to ftl from inside the museum.

Also, the fact that they threw some old school cylon centurions in the mix was very cool as well.



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funny how some of the best scenes in the series are "oh shit, i can't believe they jumped into/out of that!"



They all pale to the Galactica's orbital drop into New Caprica though; "holy shit" moment of the series for me.



agreed, though there are so many oh shit moments.

MadViking

MadViking

USA
February 2008

MAR 22, 2009 07:36 PM

MrCrisp said:

J24U said:

MrCrisp said:

J24U said:
One of my favorite little details from the finale:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Getting to see the rarely used "museum" wing of the galactica, in the very awesome raptor jump to ftl from inside the museum.

Also, the fact that they threw some old school cylon centurions in the mix was very cool as well.



SPOILERS! (Click to view)
funny how some of the best scenes in the series are "oh shit, i can't believe they jumped into/out of that!"



They all pale to the Galactica's orbital drop into New Caprica though; "holy shit" moment of the series for me.



agreed, though there are so many oh shit moments.



I'm sure I said "Oh Shit! Did they just really just do that!" more during this show than anything I've ever watched. Must be why I loved it so.

Littlejohn22

Littlejohn22

Fredericton, NB
May 2009

JUN 13, 2009 01:31 PM

Bring back Captain Louanne 'Kat' Katraine, she rocked, time portal or something.

zoom image

DerbyGuy

DerbyGuy

Dayton, OH
June 2009

JUN 13, 2009 07:49 PM

Spoilers-don't read unless you've seen the whole series.

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I thought it fairly obvious that the coordinates Starbuck was punching in to get away from the Cylon colony would lead them to "our" Earth. I'd still like to know a little more about the other Earth that turned out to be a dead world. But, unanswered questions are part of the show, I think.

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