eh, I think the people being degraded are the men who pay to see something so trivial. It's similar to the "Women on Trampolines" bit on The Man Show.
If I want to see a woman's breast bouncing, I prefer to be the one making them bounce.
For the same twenty bucks you could get a table dance.

[edited because my two fingered typing system can't keep up with my three fingered brain]

[Edited on Dec 05, 2003 by Sadistic_Bastard]

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

DEC 05, 2003 04:44 PM

DebraJean said:
well what if the hardon causer likes being degraded.

That's a hard issue to figure out. On one hand, there is nothing wrong with enjoying feeling degraded. On the other hand...there's someone who, in the end, does have respect for you degrading you (a partner, a lover, whatever) and then there's someone who has absolutely no respect for you degrading you. There's also the issue of how this kind of presentation of women affects ALL women...and there's no real black and white easy answer here.

For me, it depends on context. An example: there are schoolgirl sets on here. Because they are on SG, where models are treated and portrayed with respect, I have no problem with this. I would also have no problem with a bondage set here, etc. Then there are sites that present their models as "cum hungry sluts" and rely on treating them with disrespect. Now, I don't know how the people who actually MAKE those sites treat their models, they could be extremely respectful. But the context the images are presented in can be a problem, because so many sites like that portray women as nothing but holes and sex objects.

dirtyprettything

Los Angeles, CA

September 2003

DEC 05, 2003 04:44 PM

I'm just going to copy this post again - ya know, for shits 'n giggles

Doppelganger said:

s5 said:
considering that we actively kick off members who vocally disrespect the girls here, i think it's pretty clear that we'll happily take a paycut if respect isn't paying the bills.

im not trying to stir any shit here, just bring some facts to light about 'taking a paycut if respect isn't paying the bills'

It was said in a recent thread that Zottees are alowed to keep (and pay for) an anonymous account, they just loose their posting privies.

also, as said by sean, copied below, zotted members whom start another account under a different name are not automaticaly deleted, and are allowed to stay (and pay) so long as they behave. as far as I know, this cycle is infinite. hey, i took business 101, theres nothing wrong with a business giving its customers plenty of oppertunities to offer up their coffers.

Quote from Sean:

Look if someone was booted off the site for making a girl uncomfortable there is nothing stopping that person from resigning up and curtailing their behavior a little. As long as no one complained about the new member account, no one would care. I have seen this happen countless times on the site. Someone signs up, pisses off a girl, gets booted, signs up again, everyone knows, behaves for a while, stays on the site, eventually pisses off another girl, gets booted, signs up again, etc. etc. etc.

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

DEC 05, 2003 04:46 PM

Ugh, the zotting issue again.

There are people who are zotted permanently, too, and got re-zotted if they try to come back.

dirtyprettything

Los Angeles, CA

September 2003

DEC 05, 2003 04:49 PM

we're not talking about zotting, morgan.

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

DEC 05, 2003 04:50 PM

Isn't the post above me and the one it came from about zotting? I was just pointing out that SG does lose money when they uber-zot someone, and generally people get uber-zotted for being really disrespectful/creepy to SGs.

Dante0

Sandusky, OH

September 2003

DEC 05, 2003 04:50 PM

Doppelganger said:
It was said in a recent thread that Zottees are alowed to keep (and pay for) an anonymous account, they just loose their posting privies.

If they're not posting, chances are they're not bothering anyone. Problem solved.

also, as said by sean, copied below, zotted members whom start another account under a different name are not automaticaly deleted, and are allowed to stay (and pay) so long as they behave. as far as I know, this cycle is infinite.

Again, if they behave, problem solved. And it was said in that thread that there have been cases of someone having their IP blocked. That means no more account...ever.

When I was relocating alcoholics for a living, almost everyone booted returned to the club another day. Sometimes they were good, so they were allowed to stay. Other times they were not, so they were encouraged to leave again. Sometimes it's just a case of a person losing his composure. Other times, people are just assholes by their very nature. We took polaroids of people we were forced to eject on a regular basis and posted them by the door so the doorman knew not to admit them in the first place. It's an excelent system: it keeps people who make a simple mistake in judgement from being punished for life, while eliminating the people who were their parents' mistake in judgement.

Morgan said:
Isn't the post above me and the one it came from about zotting?

Yes, but it was in response to s5's comment that SG would sooner take a pay cut than allow a model to be degraded.

[Edited on Dec 05, 2003 by Dante0]