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Bill_the_Cat

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON
May 2005

AUG 21, 2008 08:29 AM

Uncognitive said:

Bill_the_Cat said:

Lusyd said:

Bill_the_Cat said:

Lusyd said:
If you are really open minded why would you point out obvious differences in body type or culture?



I don't understand this question. If you're really open-minded why would you need to overlook or ignore obvious differences?



But then again why feel the need to point it out?



Because our differences are what make us unique, interesting, complicated and, most importantly, human. wink



Which is why mocking them may strike people as being somewhat bigoted.



Obviously. The question still remains, though- is it mockery, or homage?

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

AUG 21, 2008 01:10 PM

This is definitely more of an American politically correct, "knee-jerk" reaction. We spend more time in this country being afraid of hurting someone's feelings or being hyper-sensitive to things and blowing them way out of proportion. I actually think it's kind of hilarious that there doesn't seem to be any comments from the Chinese government, just the Asian-American version of Rev. Al Sharpton, George Wu.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

AUG 21, 2008 02:17 PM

Bill_the_Cat said:
Y'know, my first reaction to reading this article was to think "What a bunch of immature, racially insensitive assholes." Then it occurred to me to wonder how it was insensitive. Do Asian's feel cultural shame about the shape of their eyes?


No. But they don't much like a bunch of smug, ignorant white boys mocking the shape of their eyes, either.

Bill_the_Cat said:
If a friend shaved his head would I be offended because I'm bald? Are people of Nordic decent angered by those who bleach their hair and wear blue contacts? Pretending our differences don't exist doesn't make them non-existent. In a way it makes them more obvious, like the elephant in the room. It occurs to me that making the assumption that someone will be offended by the simple recognition of how they are different seems to be like saying that the difference is something to be ashamed of. If I were Asian...


... but you're not.

Bill_the_Cat said:
... I would find that far more offensive and racist than a bunch of Europeans imitating the shape of my eyes. That I might even recognize for what it may very well have been intended as- A show of solidarity. Imitation isn't always mockery. Sometimes it's the sincerest form of flattery.

InnocentSid said:
You are ignoring the simple fact that this gesture has a long history of being used to mock Asians.


I'm not, either. To re-use the analogy "Baldy" can be either an insult or a term of endearment, it all depends on the intent.


So can "nigger." Use that word much, do you?

Ferretbite

Ferretbite

Mexico
September 2006

AUG 21, 2008 03:16 PM

mydogfarted said:
I actually think it's kind of hilarious that there doesn't seem to be any comments from the Chinese government, just the Asian-American version of Rev. Al Sharpton, George Wu.



Actually, there's a public statement from the Chinese Embassy where they declared they didn't find it to be racist or offensive:


The Embassy of China in Spain does not consider the picture of the Spanish Basketball team where they appear to have slanty eyes as an insult to Chinese citizens or a racist gesture. A spokesman for the embassy stated that "This gesture is not understood as an offense" and expressed his conviction that his country had not interpreted it as being offensive. "I do not think the Spaniards will offend the Chinese in China" with such an advertising for the Olympic Games in Beijing. "Latelythere is a very good relationship between the Chinese and the Spanish government and there is no kind of conflict between the people of both Nations".

(Translated from this article)

There have been all sorts of reactions, other than the understandable irate ones:


Frank Zhang, Li Ning's director of government and public affairs, played down the incident.

"We don't think this is an insulting gesture to the Chinese," Zhang said. "In fact, the gesture shows that the Spanish team is so humorous, relaxing and cute. They sat around a dragon pattern, which we think showed respect to the Chinese.

"Li Ning Ltd. will not change any business plans with the Spanish team because of this," Zhang added. "People should focus on great Olympic Games instead of something else."



That one's from Forbes, there's another similar statement from Li Ning himself.

Of course, none of the above have been appointed universal representatives for all asian people but then who has?

TheCoolerKing

TheCoolerKing

NEWSWIRE

Los Angeles, CA

AUG 21, 2008 03:57 PM

Fixer said:
Xenophobia does not equal Racism. The observations and actions may be offensive and/or unfunny to you, fine, but that doesn't imply Racism in and of itself. Believing in one race's superiority over another is what defines Racism.


I agree with this, actually. Though I did imply racism in the article, I don't think it's racism as much as it's insensitive, unfunny, mean-spirited pricks behaving embarrassingly.

And the fact that they didn't immediately apologize and tried to pawn it off as nothing is what makes them worthy of contempt and mockery... I also don't get why someone from Spain would automatically feel the need to defend the attack of another person from Spain.

Bill_the_Cat

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON
May 2005

AUG 21, 2008 04:25 PM

mingol said:

Bill_the_Cat said:
Y'know, my first reaction to reading this article was to think "What a bunch of immature, racially insensitive assholes." Then it occurred to me to wonder how it was insensitive. Do Asian's feel cultural shame about the shape of their eyes?


No. But they don't much like a bunch of smug, ignorant white boys mocking the shape of their eyes, either.


Obviously nobody likes to be mocked, and being mocked for a cultural stereotype is inherently racist. If there is no intended mockery, however, is there still racism?

Bill_the_Cat said:
If a friend shaved his head would I be offended because I'm bald? Are people of Nordic decent angered by those who bleach their hair and wear blue contacts? Pretending our differences don't exist doesn't make them non-existent. In a way it makes them more obvious, like the elephant in the room. It occurs to me that making the assumption that someone will be offended by the simple recognition of how they are different seems to be like saying that the difference is something to be ashamed of. If I were Asian...


... but you're not.

True. I'm white, which is why I can only speculate what an Asian would find offensive. In the same way that, say, a Spanish basketball team might.


Bill_the_Cat said:
... I would find that far more offensive and racist than a bunch of Europeans imitating the shape of my eyes. That I might even recognize for what it may very well have been intended as- A show of solidarity. Imitation isn't always mockery. Sometimes it's the sincerest form of flattery.

InnocentSid said:
You are ignoring the simple fact that this gesture has a long history of being used to mock Asians.


I'm not, either. To re-use the analogy "Baldy" can be either an insult or a term of endearment, it all depends on the intent.


So can "nigger." Use that word much, do you?


Never, because I am quite aware of the racially bigoted history of the word. If I were to use it it would be in the full knowledge and awareness that it would offend. I would be taking a blatantly racist position and would have to kick myself in the balls for being a bigoted asshole.

TheSpaniard

TheSpaniard

Albuquerque, NM
January 2007

AUG 22, 2008 04:46 PM

Overeacting people! If i see some american blond that dyes her hair brown and wears a flamenco dress and says "ole" , it dont make it racist. I'm from Spain and we are very open people and yes at times racist but always honest. We'll make fun of ourselfs 5 times before making fun of someone else once. People who worry about these details in life rarley get much done and think way too highly of themselfs.



tongue <-------asian smiley, racist bastard!

MarcStCyr

MarcStCyr

Spain
June 2008

AUG 23, 2008 06:09 PM

The Spaniard ---------------------------> i agree.



potrallo

potrallo

Spain
January 2008

AUG 26, 2008 03:26 PM

HEY AMERICANS! You are thinking everyone sees the world as you. No one in Spain has consider that a racist action. In fact, the guys of spanish basket (that would have wun you, americans if it wasnt for the help the referee gave you) are the nicest and most normal people you can know. STOP CONSIDERING YOU ARE THE JUDGE OF THE WORLD.

MessyJesse

MessyJesse

Roanoke, VA
February 2008

AUG 26, 2008 03:38 PM

potrallo said:
that would have wun you, americans if it wasnt for the help the referee gave you.



Now that is comedy

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

AUG 26, 2008 05:49 PM

potrallo said:
HEY AMERICANS! You are thinking everyone sees the world as you. No one in Spain has consider that a racist action. In fact, the guys of spanish basket (that would have wun you, americans if it wasnt for the help the referee gave you) are the nicest and most normal people you can know. STOP CONSIDERING YOU ARE THE JUDGE OF THE WORLD.



Sucks to be a sore loser, don't it?

MarcStCyr

MarcStCyr

Spain
June 2008

AUG 27, 2008 04:09 AM

Subrosa said:

potrallo said:
HEY AMERICANS! You are thinking everyone sees the world as you. No one in Spain has consider that a racist action. In fact, the guys of spanish basket (that would have wun you, americans if it wasnt for the help the referee gave you) are the nicest and most normal people you can know. STOP CONSIDERING YOU ARE THE JUDGE OF THE WORLD.



Sucks to be a sore loser, don't it?




yeah! Sucks to be a loser, but on the other hand we're proud of our team, we made you sweat.
I have to say that both teams played theyr bests and the Spanish B-Ball Team deserved to win as U.S.A. deserved to win.

it doesn't matter the referee, we were the underdogs and we played that role more than satisfactory.
remember the names of Rudy, Ricky rubio, Navarro, Pau and Marc Gasol with respect, as i remember Kobe ( best player ever along with Jordan , Bird, Kareem, isaias thompson, malone etc...) Kid and all of them with same respect and admiration.


Hurray for the Spanish B-Ball Team ! and thanks for the great play to all Ameriican players.

P.D: Go Lakers Go!!!



potrallo

potrallo

Spain
January 2008

AUG 27, 2008 10:09 AM

I would like to start again the discussion, trying my best ways. Spain is a country which all its history has been really divided in 2 groups, conservatives and progressists, like other countries. We are not free of bad habits, racist people and disgusting people, in general, like other countries again. At this moment, I think our country can be proud of the rights people here has, if you compare to other countries, over all, you can get marry with other from your sex, that is an example of a country that looks to the future, there arent many countries where you can do that. Spain is a good country. You are free to think our basket players are racists or even idiots. We are sure they are not, but they've accepted to pose for a pic joking with something the americans or anglo-saxons dont understand. But many americans here are just destroying the name of all the spanish culture. Guys how can you make us believe you defend a country when at the same time you are insulting another! Peace and love for all the human beings and less hypocressy!

potrallo

potrallo

Spain
January 2008

AUG 27, 2008 10:10 AM

And also another impression. I think the mass media can easily manipulate you, after I have seen

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