PUNK's NOT DEAD

CheshireCat said:

Actually I took it from a paper which I wrote , which said information was taken from Wikepedia and "England's Dreaming" by John Savage....therefor I douched myself thank you. either way I am right. I don't know you that well for a douche comment , at least give it another few days.

coyotemike said:

You used Wikepedia as a source for a paper?

Credibility: GONE

CheshireCat said:

No,thats your ignorance of thinking that the Sex Pistols were just a commercialization of punk. They were the band which pretty much started the London scene , and it was their influence which sparked other bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees , as well as The Clash. Their performance at The Lesser Free Trade Hall in Manchester had several people who formed their own bands in the audience , Ian Curtis,Peter Hook of Joy Division , Morrissey of the Smiths. The Pistols were the spark of things to come.They were not tailored together by Malcolm McLaren, as a band they existed and hung out at "Let It Rock ,which later became "Sex". Steve Jones was perstant in having McLaren manage them , as he had several music contacts ,and had also briefly managed the New York dolls.

CheshireCat said:

I know Wikepedia has been vanished from all class rooms, my teacher would crucify me . Since your so intelligent , try reading about it in the several books on the subject I have already listed., "England's Dreaming " is phenomenally page turning.

CheshireCat said:

Actually I took it from a paper which I wrote , the said information was taken from Wikepedia and "England's Dreaming" by John Savage....therefor I douched myself thank you. Either way I am right. I don't know you that well for a douche comment , at least give it another few days. Also you left out a large portion of my statement which makes you a manipulative douche.

CheshireCat said:
Well they both protested against the contemporary , in general their rejection of established art , as well bourgeois society.

But I would say it was the collage technique , which the punk style used in its subversion.

You could also say Tristan Tzar and his exquisite corpse writing techniques were important precursors, as beat poets like William Burroughs used it or perfected it in their writing, it has since been used by David Bowie and Kurt Cobain as a key components in their song writing. Though it was really Brion Gysin who gave it to Burroughs, and perfected Tristan Tzar's method.

CheshireCat said:

Do you have an opinion except in correcting grammar issues ? I support my arguments just fine.

CheshireCat said:

No, its true.Take a Documentary class at school and you will discover that most documentaries are garble, starting with the "Nanook of the North".

Chainlink said:

Uh huh

Do you have a graph, with some percentages and figures or do I have to go and watch every documentary ever made and get back to you ?

coyotemike said:

No, you just need to go to Film School to understand

Cassiel said:

You know, I went to film school and all, and got a BFA (and am very proud of it) but guys like CheshireCat make me wanna rip out my hair.

attn_ho said:

I went, and im not proud of it.

Chainlink said:

So, would one of you other film school graduates explain to a simple layman what a Documentary is supposed to be ?
I was under the impression they were generally about facts, as opposed to fiction, or flow of consciousness, or channeling spirits or something.

Jena said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

attn_ho said:

sure! a documentary is a film about a series of events that happened. as our esteemed professor cheshire pointed out, edited films can lie.

but by poiinting out an early documentary/ propaganda film and saying that all documentaries lie (except the one our brave and intrepid soul cites) is mental backwash of the worst kind. Just because a documentary has a strong point of view, does not mean it is falsified. one would expect a film school student to defend a documentarian's right to thier point of view within thier own films.