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Dave_H

Dave_H

Bermuda
January 2003

NOV 08, 2003 12:27 AM

I am not a fan of the series at all. I've never even seen the first one all the way through even though I bought the DVD because it bored me so much. I hate the acting. I hate most action and kung fu movies. I hate the crappy half-assed pseudo philosphy going on. I could go on and on about what I hate about the matrix.

that said, the major battle to defend Zion was one of the most exciting moments in film I've ever ever ever seen. so good, so intence and scary and amazing. For me it made suffering through the rest of the trilogy worthwhile.

grahf

grahf

New York, NY
September 2002

NOV 08, 2003 10:51 AM

themadking said:
But thank God they killed off Morpheus.



Wait, when did they kill off Morpheus? Wasn't he the one who came out to look at the squiddies when they stopped attacking all of a sudden?

themadking

themadking

Kansas City, MO
January 2003

NOV 08, 2003 10:56 AM

fiendish said:
the trainman didn't have a gun? he was shooting at Trinity Morpheus and Seraph?



Yeah, well... he picked that gun up later. Yeah.

remarek4 said:

themadking said:
But thank God they killed off Morpheus.



Wait, when did they kill off Morpheus? Wasn't he the one who came out to look at the squiddies when they stopped attacking all of a sudden?



Shut up, shut up! You're ruining my fun.

smokepuppet

smokepuppet

Austin, TX
April 2003

NOV 08, 2003 05:47 PM

You know what "Matrix: Revolutions" needed? More scenes that involve someone telling someone else how much they love them and how much they want the war to be over. I don't think every 5 minutes in the movie was enough.

Jesus, by the end, I didn't care who lived or died, I wanted the war to be over because then the movie would be over.

SoEffinHappy

SoEffinHappy

Philadelphia, PA
April 2003

NOV 08, 2003 07:19 PM

OK here's my two overly pretentious cents wink .
Cent#1. Why did the Wachowskis think that instead of making the movies about man's struggle to beat the machines by using their own humanity (ie Neo can beat the machines cause he is human and not bound by the rules of the matrix) that it would be cool to make the movies about an annoying subplot where some programs that weren't deleted did things that were never specified? Am I completely brain dead or did I miss what it was that the french guy did besides be cryptic and supposedly all knowing? He said that it was his "business" to know certain things, but what kind of business did he run? Why couldn't they have dumped the whole "rogue programs" subplot and just had Neo fight the machines. Corny and predictable? Slightly, but what's wrong with that?
Cent#2. In a movie where the humans are fighting the machines in order to preserve humanity, why is it that every machine displayed more emotion than any of the humans? Did anyone else think it was fucked up how the indian programs smiled more than any of the humans did? And it seemed to me like some of the programs were good and some were bad. Making the machines to be divided (the Oracle and the little girl were "good programs" but the frenchman and Agent smith were "bad") took something away from the whole conflict for me. Remember in the first one when Mouse said that thing about our urges being what seperated us from the machines? What ever happened to THAT? Apparently NOTHING seperated us from the machines, because the machines were able to get angry and disgusted and even fall in love.
Ok ok, I only said two cents but I need ONE more. THis is the last one, I promise.
Cent#3. Is Zion just supposed to forget that there's a giant field filled with incubating human bodies that are being used to power a race of machines? Or are they suddenly cool with that cause they didn't get killed? The first one seemed about bringing an end to the machines because they were using humans to fuel themselves, not just wiping their foreheads and going "phew" when they didn't get wiped out. In case anyone else forgot, the entire system that they seemed to be fighting was still up and running at the end of the last one.
Overall, this movie wasn't as bad as it could have been. After all, I only wanted to cut my wrists through three quarters of it....

Rumford

Rumford

Portland, OR
March 2003

NOV 09, 2003 12:01 AM

Alright, I just saw it, and I must say this, I would have given up the video game and the animatrix (with exception of the kids story cause that's one of the most attractive cartoons I've EVER seen) just to give the brothers more time so they could maybe take a few creative writing classes and learned how to write fucking dialogue.

Seriously, painful dialogue in that movie, with exception to Smith, he fucking ruled.

edison23

edison23

Orlando, FL
May 2003

NOV 09, 2003 12:21 AM

Christ, I can't believe he died at the end of a bee sting.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 09, 2003 12:36 AM

SoEffinHappy said:
Cent#3. Is Zion just supposed to forget that there's a giant field filled with incubating human bodies that are being used to power a race of machines? Or are they suddenly cool with that cause they didn't get killed? The first one seemed about bringing an end to the machines because they were using humans to fuel themselves, not just wiping their foreheads and going "phew" when they didn't get wiped out. In case anyone else forgot, the entire system that they seemed to be fighting was still up and running at the end of the last one.



if you'll remember, in the first movie, there were freed humans who *wanted* to be reinserted into the matrix. remember the character who purposely killed his shipmates and struck a deal with agent smith?

the idea of people freeing themselves from the matrix because they chose to be free comes up again and again throughout the entire series, from the first movie ("you can take the red pill, or you can take the blue"), to the second movie (where the kid who idolizes neo is told over and over again that he is free because he chose to be free, not because neo saved him), to the endless ruminations of choice and freewill. in the end of the final movie, the architect agrees to free the minds of those who choose to be free, meeting the oracle's request. if the humans were to go in and forcibly free everyone, it would have gone against everything the series had built up. (and of course there is also the technical matter of pulling people out of the matrix who haven't reached an exit point, which we are told is impossible.)

so, i think this made perfect sense, and i'm actually glad it was resolved this way. the war ended, which simply meant the machines would agree to help the humans free people from the matrix. isn't that how war ends in real life? your enemy doesn't disappear from the face of the earth, they just agree to be friendly (or at least, not hostile) towards you.

the second movie really set us up for this kind of resolution, too. remember the scene where the head of the council and neo are both awake in the middle of the night? there's this discussion about how humans and machines must rely on each other - clearly setting the stage for the two warring sides to reconcile their differences.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

NOV 09, 2003 12:46 AM

SoEffinHappy said:
Remember in the first one when Mouse said that thing about our urges being what seperated us from the machines? What ever happened to THAT? Apparently NOTHING seperated us from the machines, because the machines were able to get angry and disgusted and even fall in love.



i think all this shows is that either the machines grew to become sentient (this is sci-fi, after all), or we were watching the machines behave like humans and assigning their own label to what they were doing. like the indian guy said, love is a word. maybe the programs decided that certain observable behaviors would be called 'love' or 'disgust'.

in the second movie, the frenchman goes into a mini-speech about what it means to behave and whether or not choices (and thus, urges) exist on their own or in reaction to pre-determined variables (remember the scene with the woman and the cake). i thought it was pretty clear that several characters had their own take on what urges, emotions, freewill, etc meant, and that there is no right answer. this is pretty much true in our non-movie world, too. once again, i agreed with the brothers' choice to leave the question unresolved, and offer answers from different points of view.

mothra

mothra

Tempe, AZ
OLD SKOOL

NOV 09, 2003 01:01 AM

At what point in the first movie would the guy from Sopranos have been able to make this deal with agent smith in the matrix to go back in? Wouldn't some else need to set that up.

In conclusion the Matrix Revolution sucked and I wish I never spent my 10$ to see it. (although I have enjoyed bitching about it)

fiendish

fiendish

USA
December 2002

NOV 09, 2003 12:35 PM

Cent#3. Is Zion just supposed to forget that there's a giant field filled with incubating human bodies that are being used to power a race of machines? Or are they suddenly cool with that cause they didn't get killed? The first one seemed about bringing an end to the machines because they were using humans to fuel themselves, not just wiping their foreheads and going "phew" when they didn't get wiped out. In case anyone else forgot, the entire system that they seemed to be fighting was still up and running at the end of the last one.
Overall, this movie wasn't as bad as it could have been. After all, I only wanted to cut my wrists through three quarters of it....

A-pac wanted back into the "Matrix" why because the real world sux but nobody is gonna want out of the "Matrix" unless they are told that their is a real world that is not governed by a computer program.

This is not conflicting it is a reason to make another sequel. What else does Wachowski brothers have "Assassins" and "Bound" huh? Neither one of those movies made as much money as "Matrix".


Watching the second half of the matrix I found the "Animatrix" 10 times more amusing than the sequels.

themadking

themadking

Kansas City, MO
January 2003

NOV 09, 2003 10:48 PM

fiendish said:


A-pac wanted back into the "Matrix" why because the real world sux but nobody is gonna want out of the "Matrix" unless they are told that their is a real world that is not governed by a computer program.

This is not conflicting it is a reason to make another sequel. What else does Wachowski brothers have "Assassins" and "Bound" huh? Neither one of those movies made as much money as "Matrix".


Watching the second half of the matrix I found the "Animatrix" 10 times more amusing than the sequels.



A-pac? What the fuck? Am I the only one who remembers that it was Cypher who wanted to get re-inserted?

Shifgrethor

Shifgrethor

I'm lost
April 2003

NOV 10, 2003 12:04 AM

themadking said:
But thank God they killed off Morpheus.



Yeah, I totally didn't see it coming! Who knew the Architect would totally flip out like that? ooo aaa ooo aaa ooo aaa

[Edited on Nov 10, 2003 by Shifgrethor]

jJay

jJay

San Francisco, CA
October 2002

NOV 10, 2003 12:22 AM

kierkegaard for the entire family

Sankian

Sankian

Astoria, NY
OLD SKOOL

NOV 10, 2003 12:58 AM

I saw it back on Wednesday night, half of the people that I saw it with liked it and the other half hated it, for various reasons stated above here. I personally liked it. I knew there was more going on than I could see, because I'm not a philosophy dork, but I appreciate that sort of stuff so...

Then I read these, and they not only justified my liking of the third movie, it made me like the second one more:

corporatemofo's matrix 2 explination

corporatemofo's matrix 3 explination

Yeah... that's pretty awesome.

chewy6sic638201

chewy6sic638201

Australia
March 2003

NOV 10, 2003 01:50 AM

i liked it but was a bit disappointed in the way it ended
after 3 movies I had some big expections

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