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Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUL 06, 2008 07:23 PM

Also, that thing about men being willing to do anything for sex is just a lie. Most men I know have standards and would rather jerk off than fuck someone they don't find attractive.

This has been my personal experience, but I have wondered if the generalization still held.

Culturally, women's desperation takes on more of a tone of wanted commitment and romance than sex

I understand that the popular view is that the asymmetry is purely cultural, but are we really, truly sure? The romance part certainly has cultural roots as the notions of romantic love are a relatively recent development and mostly western. The commitment bit? maybe not so much.

How would we ever prove it was biological unless we got rid of the culture that convinces women that their highest achievement in life is marriage? What evidence is there that's it's biological? Especially since there are plenty of women who don't want commitment and plenty of men who do?

DeadBilly

Burnt Cabins, PA

February 2004

JUL 06, 2008 07:33 PM

ckdexterhaven said:
Check out this bit from the last page...

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Man, my eyes started bleeding two sentences in.

r00kers

Nederland, CO

February 2003

JUL 06, 2008 07:34 PM

How would we ever prove it was biological

It really can't be proven one way or another unless someone has devised a really clever experiment.

unless we got rid of the culture that convinces women that their highest achievement in life is marriage?

This, as far as I can tell, is a diminished message. Not gone, just diminished.

What evidence is there that's it's biological?

I can't really speculate much here as it is well away from my fields of study/expertise. I would surmise, given the above (lack of a genuinely performable/observable test) that there is little real evidence one way or another. Lack of universality, or a mere preponderance is not prima facia evidence either way.

It leads me to at least stand by the question 'Are we really, truly, sure'.

cpkz

Portland, OR

September 2006

JUL 06, 2008 07:35 PM

Thistle said:
What evidence is there that's it's biological?

Evolutionary Psychology and the things that stem from natural child bearing?

Especially since there are plenty of women who don't want commitment and plenty of men who do?

Equally hard to tell if that is due to culture as well.

Stiles

Oakland, CA

November 2002

JUL 06, 2008 09:07 PM

Shalome said:
Goddamn, I'm in a catty mood tonight.

Don't feel bad, you're saving the rest of us from having to waste our time with it.

Think of it as a public service.

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUL 08, 2008 09:24 PM

How would we ever prove it was biological

It really can't be proven one way or another unless someone has devised a really clever experiment.

unless we got rid of the culture that convinces women that their highest achievement in life is marriage?

This, as far as I can tell, is a diminished message. Not gone, just diminished.

It may be slightly diminished from 50 years ago but it is not anywhere near diminished enough to not be a factor.

What evidence is there that's it's biological?

I can't really speculate much here as it is well away from my fields of study/expertise. I would surmise, given the above (lack of a genuinely performable/observable test) that there is little real evidence one way or another. Lack of universality, or a mere preponderance is not prima facia evidence either way.

It leads me to at least stand by the question 'Are we really, truly, sure'.

Well, given that a sexist culture is negative in so many other ways, to some extent I don't think it matters if we are "really, truly sure." There are plenty of reasons to get rid of the sexist culture, and if we do that then we will find out whether women are in fact innately different from men when it comes to sex.

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUL 08, 2008 09:25 PM

cpkz said:

Thistle said:
What evidence is there that's it's biological?

Evolutionary Psychology and the things that stem from natural child bearing?

First of all, evolutionary psychology is 80% bullshit. Second, what does "stem from natural childbearing" mean exactly?

Especially since there are plenty of women who don't want commitment and plenty of men who do?

Equally hard to tell if that is due to culture as well.

Hard to tell if what is due to culture? The whole dichotomy? I don't think it's hard to tell at all, but how about we get rid of the sexist culture and then we'll see? Since we can't change biology that ought to prove it once and for all.

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