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JUL 04, 2008 10:08 AM
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BlastProcessing said:
Sydni said:
BlastProcessing said:
wildswan said:
Rude_Ruca said:
. . .but I refuse to believe that we share the same belief system.
You need a bumper sticker that says, "Incorrigible, presumptuous, self-satisfied stupidity is my co-pilot."
...marry me?
She's mine! Wait in line.
I saw her first!
My thread, my wildswan! So there 
Virtute
Brooklyn, NY
July 2007
JUL 04, 2008 02:04 PM
JUL 05, 2008 01:43 AM
Virtute said:
Rude_Ruca said:
Virtute said:
Rude_Ruca said:
Just for the record, I am not entirely convinced that Obama genuinely believes in God in the same context that I do, for one. So no, I do not feel bad that, as you put it "we share a same belief system" because I do not see him as a fellow follower. In fact, I believe it is all rehearsed. If it was genuine, and he truly understood the meaning of being a Christian, he would have walked away from the hate-filled preachings-er rantings- of Rev. Wright 20 years ago after that first Sunday in attendance - not, however, disown him in the first quarter of an election year.
"I'm a real Christian. He isn't." Haha
No, the point is that Christianity is not about humans damning other humans on earth, and it certainly is not about screaming hate from the pulpit (and anyone who chooses to do that here on earth, in God's name, will have their judgment day, BY GOD and God alone, as far as I believe - it is our responsibility, as far as I believe, that while here on earth, we have to discern between those who chose to behave this way in the name of God and those who chose and strive for a pure walk with him). And, I have to wonder if Obama, as I stated, was a true believer, why would he have allowed himself to stay in that church for as long as he did? Furthermore, this isn't a pissing contest, but I refuse to believe that we share the same belief system.
Liberation theology= hate speech, yet speaking in tongues isn't batshit insane. Good to know.
False dichotomy, I know, but I wanted to squeeze both in.
JUL 05, 2008 04:06 AM
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JUL 05, 2008 08:58 AM
Well put...
JUL 05, 2008 09:50 AM
ChrisSick said:
To sum up
coyotemike says: Hey look, here's this piece in the New Yorker about how there's a small movement underway among evangelicals, moving away from using money and bloc-voting to influence public policy at a Federal level to push anti-gay and abortion rights legislation. Among this new movement there is a bigger push for good works and charity, as well as a no longer being a solidly Republican voting bloc, since some have expressed support for Obama.
Rude_Ruca says: Hey, we're not all idiots and many of us have always believed in good works and charity. To further prove we're not all idiots, I'm going to rant for four pages of posts that Obama contradicts himself because he believes that religious people can't separate their religious values from their policy beliefs, but that they still have to find a way to make their policy beliefs appeal to people who don't share their religious values. I also don't think Obama is really religious because I don't agree with him and choose to question his beliefs to express my disagreement, despite the fact that I would get indignant as all hell should anyone ever question mine. I'm also going to repeatedly try to make this a thread about the Presidential election, when it clearly isn't, and claim that the original author is being incredibly ignorant because he pointed out a very real trend that is changing the way evangelical Christians organize and act.
Everyone else says: You're a moron, please stop talking, it makes my eyeballs bleed.
(...)
Am I all caught up to speed now?
I lol'd actually. I, unfortunately, totally anticipated a response like this. And, even though you called me a moron at the end, it was still more diplomatic than some of the other bull shit I have put up with here- whether or not any of you think it was deserved, which I can tell by the responses, the majority of you do. After reading (and mind you a lot of my posts were made rather late at night, or early in the morning) I could have worded a lot of what I wrote in probably a more coherent manner. 
JUL 05, 2008 10:08 AM
JUL 05, 2008 10:25 AM
JUL 05, 2008 07:43 PM
coyotemike said:
You forgot the part where it was revealed that I have a reputation amongst the Christians here, and they're all tired of my writing because I'm a big meanie.
As someone raised as an evangelical, who still identifies as a Christian and happens to be a liberal, I don't find you to be a big meanie. Not sure if that helps at all
I'm happy to see that there are some evangelicals catching on. I've talked to many of my classmates from Bible college (yep, went to Bible college) and a lot of them I figured were die-hard, one issue republican voters who are now Obama supporters. They realized there's more to choosing a candidate than going with the supposed "pro-life" candidate.
hope that made sense... I'm insanely tired and battling with run-on sentences.
JUL 05, 2008 07:46 PM
Havilah said:
coyotemike said:
You forgot the part where it was revealed that I have a reputation amongst the Christians here, and they're all tired of my writing because I'm a big meanie.
As someone raised as an evangelical, who still identifies as a Christian and happens to be a liberal, I don't find you to be a big meanie. Not sure if that helps at all
I'm happy to see that there are some evangelicals catching on. I've talked to many of my classmates from Bible college (yep, went to Bible college) and a lot of them I figured were die-hard, one issue republican voters who are now Obama supporters. They realized there's more to choosing a candidate than going with the supposed "pro-life" candidate.
hope that made sense... I'm insanely tired and battling with run-on sentences.
Yes, it makes sense
JUL 05, 2008 08:15 PM
Havilah said:
coyotemike said:
You forgot the part where it was revealed that I have a reputation amongst the Christians here, and they're all tired of my writing because I'm a big meanie.
As someone raised as an evangelical, who still identifies as a Christian and happens to be a liberal, I don't find you to be a big meanie. Not sure if that helps at all
I'm happy to see that there are some evangelicals catching on. I've talked to many of my classmates from Bible college (yep, went to Bible college) and a lot of them I figured were die-hard, one issue republican voters who are now Obama supporters. They realized there's more to choosing a candidate than going with the supposed "pro-life" candidate.
hope that made sense... I'm insanely tired and battling with run-on sentences.
I myself am curious as to whether or not Obama can draw religious votes away from the right because McCain's background on religion is so weak and he's often been so critical of evangelical leaders.
JUL 05, 2008 09:32 PM
ChrisSick said:
McCain's background on religion is so weak and he's often been so critical of evangelical leaders.
Well, at least up until he needed their support... 
JUL 06, 2008 11:56 AM
MessyJesse said:
ChrisSick said:
McCain's background on religion is so weak and he's often been so critical of evangelical leaders.
Well, at least up until he needed their support...
Yeah, but he rather stepped in it when he went looking for endorcements.
CoyoteMike
Iowa City, IA
May 2006
JUL 04, 2008 09:59 AM