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Shimano092

Shimano092

New Britain, CT
January 2005

MAR 18, 2008 07:21 PM

Hey Che Guerra, whats the deal? Good guy or bad guy? Thoughts?

PatrickY

PatrickY

Vancouver, WA
December 2003

MAR 18, 2008 08:09 PM

Shimano092 said:
Hey Che Guerra, whats the deal? Good guy or bad guy? Thoughts?



He had a face tailor made for tee shirts. That sort of thing transcends questions of good and bad.

Flux

Flux

SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

MAR 18, 2008 08:14 PM

Shimano092 said:
Hey Che Guerra, whats the deal? Good guy or bad guy? Thoughts?



Ernesto Guevara, called "Che" for being so goddamned Argentine, was a complex figure whose "goodness" or "badness" really depends on your personal political and moral beliefs, especially regarding violence as a means to achieve political (Marxist) change.

He was certainly a very intelligent individual and a very brutal one, and he believed more powerfully in his vision for the world than most of us ever will.

This book is pretty good.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

MAR 18, 2008 08:22 PM

I remember thinking it was over when kids in my high school were drinking this -



One of them thought it was cool to carry around Mao's little red book.

There was a girl that always drank it too that hung out with the druggie/Maoist crowd - but I always forgave her (like I always do women) because of her proficiency with throwing knives. I think she'd had a brief stint in military training in one of those war-torn Balkan states.

TAFKASP

TAFKASP

Oakland, CA
June 2003

MAR 18, 2008 08:25 PM

Wasn't he the guy in that band, Rage Against the Machine?

He rocked! I saw him at Lollapalooza.

PaulNikon

PaulNikon

Melbourne, FL
February 2003

MAR 18, 2008 08:27 PM

I have to go with the "communism is bad" approach.

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

MAR 18, 2008 08:28 PM

Interesting story:
In 1955 Fidel was exiled to Mexico for participating in an aborted uprising. Che was a doctor by edcation and Fidel recruited him there to act as the medic for the cadre he was forming to re-rebel. The early stages of the uprising were a little less 'mass' than Fidel planned, and Che soon found himself fighting as often as he was doctoring. Years later he would recount the moment he abandoned his identity as a doctor in favor of his identity as revolutionary. The guerrillas were ambushed and forced to abandon their camp. Che looked down and saw a box of ammunition and a box of medical supplies. The army needed both badly, and he could only choose one. He chose the ammunition and it was raised fists and berets ever after.

unravled

unravled

Portland, OR
August 2003

MAR 18, 2008 08:51 PM

PaulNikon said:
I have to go with the "communism is bad" approach.



Well yeah, but you have to say that. You're from Florida.

r00kers

r00kers

Nederland, CO
February 2003

MAR 18, 2008 09:53 PM


I have to go with the "communism is bad" approach.


The communists failed to perfect fake boobs.

Che the man and the legend are somewhat different and diverging more every day.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

MAR 18, 2008 09:53 PM

I don't care about his politics. What I don't like about Che is the fact that he was a medical doctor who abandoned the Oath and caused harm. But that is a judgement against him as a person than against him as a revolutionary.

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

MAR 18, 2008 10:17 PM

coyotemike said:
I don't care about his politics. What I don't like about Che is the fact that he was a medical doctor who abandoned the Oath and caused harm. But that is a judgement against him as a person than against him as a revolutionary.



As I understand it, the same ethics that led Che to pursue medicine led him to the commitment to purge Cuba of the very real harm caused by Batista and his cronies. As a dedicated revolutionary he had the luxury of moving on to the next revolution rather than undertaking the messy and less morally pure tasks of reconstruction.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

MAR 18, 2008 10:20 PM

Que?

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

MAR 18, 2008 10:26 PM

I don't know who this "Che Guerra" guy is, but his last name means "war" in three languages, so that can't be good.

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

MAR 18, 2008 10:26 PM

FreakPirate said:
Que?



Was that directed at me or the OP?

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

MAR 18, 2008 10:29 PM

Ascanius said:

Was that directed at me or the OP?



It was a lame joke directed at absolutely nobody.

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

MAR 18, 2008 10:31 PM

FreakPirate said:

Ascanius said:

Was that directed at me or the OP?



It was a lame joke directed at absolutely nobody.



Ah. Si, si.

d_day

d_day

San Bernardino, CA
July 2002

MAR 18, 2008 10:44 PM

Chez Guevara, that's a restaurant, right?

zponge

zponge

Brooklyn, NY
December 2003

MAR 19, 2008 12:42 AM

zoom image

biggrin

From the same company that brought you the "i'd rather be waterboarding" shirt of martinj fame

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

MAR 19, 2008 05:24 PM

Flux said:

Shimano092 said:
Hey Che Guerra, whats the deal? Good guy or bad guy? Thoughts?



Ernesto Guevara, called "Che" for being so goddamned Argentine, was a complex figure whose "goodness" or "badness" really depends on your personal political and moral beliefs, especially regarding violence as a means to achieve political (Marxist) change.

He was certainly a very intelligent individual and a very brutal one, and he believed more powerfully in his vision for the world than most of us ever will.

This book is pretty good.




This book was also enjoyable

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

MAR 19, 2008 05:45 PM

Cash said:

Flux said:

Shimano092 said:
Hey Che Guerra, whats the deal? Good guy or bad guy? Thoughts?



Ernesto Guevara, called "Che" for being so goddamned Argentine, was a complex figure whose "goodness" or "badness" really depends on your personal political and moral beliefs, especially regarding violence as a means to achieve political (Marxist) change.

He was certainly a very intelligent individual and a very brutal one, and he believed more powerfully in his vision for the world than most of us ever will.

This book is pretty good.




This book was also enjoyable



This one provided hours of "For Whom the Bell Tolls" daydreams to me as a teenager. Also, it got me flagged at the local library.