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DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

FEB 25, 2008 03:38 PM

TheCoolerKing said:

DevilsReject said:

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Yep, I misspelled kilojoule... Next you'll tell me that it isn't actually a way to measure a cyborg's age.

and if you gave Terminator 3 a 4/5 i really have no desire to read the rest.


Forget the "rest," I'm curious how you read up to the part you did without realizing I'm ranking the character's believability, age-wise, and not movie quality.



Well, if you want to get technical, the only reason that the T-800 is considered a cyborg and not an android is because of the living tissue on the exterior.

The T-1000, and the T-X are both considered Androids, well actually the T-X is considered a Gynoid because the characteristics of that specific android make her seem to be female, some also use the term Feminoid.

Seeing that the T-800 is of older technology and still runs on a processor, there would be numerous ways to measure it's life expectancy.

I would assume the head of Bill Gates to be preserved in a jar, and the Terminator Operating System would need reset at least once a week, while system updates will make him lag, and sooner or later, one of the system updates will contain a virus that will shut the T-800's system down, either that or he will start shouting "DO YOU WANT A LARGER PENIS? ASK ME HOW!". As with all the movies the T-800 will eventually kill itself.

Now i believe the T-1000 and the T-X to be Unix operating systems, because no matter what kind of beating they take, the operating system still functions. It doesn't scramble, it's updates are actually functional, and with a little knowledge, simple processes can be altered to bring out new functions. Unfortunately, they're still battling a Windows based operating system, the reason the Windows based operating system keeps winning so much is because, people believe the Unix operating systems are "hard to understand" and require too much programming. That and they don't have happy little icons you click, unless you make them.

As far as the life cycle of a Cyborg, kilojoules would probably be only one way to measure it's life expectancy. Seeing that the kilojoule measures heat, electricity and mechanical work, there are many other functions of a T-800 that have to be taken into consideration.

The living tissue on the exterior of the machine is one. Any living tissue has a life expectancy, if you consider "failure" of the living tissue on the exterior of the machine an issue of Cyborg age, then it could be measured in decades, maybe centuries. Seeing the beating the living tissue is taking, with gun shots, fire and other things, i can't see that living tissue lasting 100 years, so decades would probably be a better age measurement.

Then you get into processor clock cycles. Most CPU's life expectancy is measured in clock cycles, if you overclock a CPU, you shorten it's life expectancy. You're running more cycles than what it was manufactured to run. Heat, cold, water, dirt and other such wonderful things come into play with CPU's. I never heard if the processor in a T-800 was overclocked.

I am assuming that the T-800 has some type of hard drive, or file storage system. If it's flash memory, it more than likely is measured by the power supply. If it's a mechanical storage, like the hard drive on a current CPU, i would give it 5-7 years. At 6 years it would start making a ball bearing sound, the write head would eventually fail and ruin the platters, making the machine unusable until the hard drive is replaced, and the operating system restored, unless the T-800 was utilizing back-ups through Skynet, all information it gathered would be lost.

On top of all that, the T-800 is only a series of terminator. You have the T-803, 804, 806, 808, 810, 835 and the 882. They all have different purposes during combat. You also have the upgrade terminators which are model numbers T-850 and the T-888. So unless we choose one specific terminator series to identify, it's kind of like asking "how long will my computer last?" without even letting me know what type of computer you are using.

Of course we will never know what model Arnold actually was, because in T-1 and T-2, he refers to himself as a T-800, but in T-3 he refers to himself as a T-101, but in the special features section of T-3, James Cameron explains that Arnold is a T-850 series, model 101. Evidently models 102, 103 and so forth look like other people besides Arnold.

Would i use kilojoule to describe a Cyborgs age? No. probably not, but you've written your story in the light you want to see. I was just pointing out the fact that you spelled joule, as jewel, and they have two different meanings entirely.

and finally. No i didn't like the way Arnold looked in T-3. In some scenes you could see the make-up caked on, just one more reason i wasn't impressed with T-3, too may plot issues, a main character that was caked in make-up to look like he was younger and too many continuity issues with the story line.

Harrison Ford is one of those people that gets better looking with age, unlike Arnold who just gets older.


Hahaha... Fair enough.

I always thought the cyborg designation was a bit dubious, as the skin and eyes of the T-800 seemed to be just simulations of human tissue, rather than the actual thing.

That is close to the sum total of my knowledge of computers/technology.





The T-600 and T-700, the Terminator series that was utilized prior to the T-800 Arnold terminator, would be considered Androids. Their outer layer was rubbery, and easily detected by humans, so it was harder to conceal themselves in the presence of the general populous. That and the T-600/700 could still be detected by infrared scans, they showed no heat.

This is why Cyberdyne went with living tissue on the outside of the T-800, along with miniature pumps to make heated blood flow through the exterior tissue. This would simulate blood flow from a wound, and it was heated enough that if an infrared detection system was used on it, it would detect heat from the blood flow and the living tissue, and the operator would assume the T-800 to be human.

The living tissue on the exterior of a T-800 will age, and it will eventually begin to deteriorate, and at some point die. This is why T-800's prior to being put into action, are kept in cryogenic storage, to preserve the living tissue on the outside of the machine. That and we all know from Transformers that the only way to slow a machine down completely, is to put it into a deep freeze.

The only detection device of the T-800 was dogs. This is why in the future scenes of all the Terminator movies, you see human troops with German Shepards or other police/military type dogs.

In my opinion, and this being my personal opinion, it would of been better for the story line of T-3 if they just let Arnold show his age, and explained it away with T-1 and T-2 documentation, he was showing age as to make people believe he was human, rather than cover his age by putting pounds and pounds of make up on him. That or explain it as the fact that he was an older T-800 and that his exterior living tissue was 50 or 60 years old, he was sent back in time because he was the best working machine they had.

Yes. I am a dork, and have spent entirely too much time reading about stuff like this. Just remember, Cyborg = partial living tissue/partial machine, like the Borgs or from Star Trek. Android = complete machine, no living tissue, like C3PO from Star Wars.

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

Redding, CA
December 2005

FEB 25, 2008 08:58 PM

Oy vey.

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