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crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

JAN 11, 2008 07:57 PM

Some spend their entire lives searching in vain for that special someone with whom to share their life. But, sometimes, fate steps in and there they are ... your soulmate.



It's love at first sight. You find that you have similar interests, share a similar background - both of you having been adopted, and the attraction is undeniable. You feel as if you have known each other your entire lives.



You fall madly in love and decide to marry.

All is right with the world.



Then you discover, to your horror, that you have married your twin.



Twins who were separated at birth and raised by different families met later and married but were forced to break up when they discovered their true identities, a British legislator said on Friday.



"It's a tragedy for the couple who are involved, a terrible tragedy. Everyone's hearts will go out to people caught up quite unwittingly in a case of incest of this kind," David Alton, a member of Britain's upper House of Lords, told BBC radio.



Wait ... what?

Sounds like the plot of a Lifetime movie of the week, doesn't it?



"When they did come to know their true identities it led to their having to separate and also to a lot of heartbreak," Alton said on Friday. News reports said their marriage was annulled.



Some feel that this one-in-a-million occurrence could happen with greater regularity due in part to both the increasing frequency of births through in vitro fertilization, and a proposed law in Britain that would allow for the father's name to be omitted from the birth certificate.



The Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, now working its way through the British parliament, recognises same-sex couples as legal parents of children conceived through the use of donated sperm, eggs or embryos.



"The government ... have not accepted the argument that you should have the right to know who your biological father is on the birth certificate," Alton said.



"It would be a terrible act of deception, with the state colluding in that deception, to remove the biological identity of your father from the birth certificate," he added.



I suppose love at first sight isn't always all it's cracked up to be.





crispy almost titled this piece "Who's Your Daddy?"

[Hat Tip: TheFuckOffKid]

ChocolateJesus

ChocolateJesus

USA
January 2005

JAN 11, 2008 09:14 PM

Wasn't there an episode of HOUSE that dealt with this?

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

JAN 11, 2008 09:33 PM

My boyfriend sent me this story at work today, and I almost cried. I can't even imagine the devastating confusion and heartbreak involved. How do you even go on? frown

PantherNesmith

PantherNesmith

Gloucester, VA
June 2006

JAN 11, 2008 09:44 PM

Holy crap.

The poor kids!

And it's not a Lifetime movie, it's Star Wars.

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

JAN 11, 2008 09:45 PM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:
My boyfriend sent me this story at work today, and I almost cried. I can't even imagine the devastating confusion and heartbreak involved. How do you even go on? frown



You make sure you wear a condom so you don't have any mutant babies.

HEY-O!

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

JAN 11, 2008 09:51 PM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:
My boyfriend sent me this story at work today, and I almost cried. I can't even imagine the devastating confusion and heartbreak involved. How do you even go on? frown


Something to the tune of going on a six month bender, I'd imagine.

PantherNesmith

PantherNesmith

Gloucester, VA
June 2006

JAN 11, 2008 10:16 PM

Just six months? I'd have to soak my lady bits in everclear for at least eight to feel some what close to clean.

_Margot_

_Margot_

Santa Monica, CA
December 2007

JAN 11, 2008 10:50 PM

How sad. I have no Idea what I would do.

TimmyToe

TimmyToe

I'm lost
August 2007

JAN 11, 2008 11:37 PM

PantherNesmith said:
Holy crap.

The poor kids!

And it's not a Lifetime movie, it's Star Wars.



Holy crap your right, Luke and Leila!!!

TimmyToe

TimmyToe

I'm lost
August 2007

JAN 11, 2008 11:39 PM

That sounds like some shit that would happen to me, I'de fucking jump of a cliff and die, honestly one searches so long for something, anything that makes one happy, and then to just give it up like that! maybe they'll meet in another life, when they're both cats, then incest wont matter all that much.

Tallboy66

Tallboy66

USA
January 2005

JAN 11, 2008 11:54 PM

This kind of thought crosses my mind when I see someone similar to me and I think how hot she is.

FitzSimmons

FitzSimmons

Saint Paul, MN
January 2008

JAN 12, 2008 01:36 AM

That must have been absolutely heartbreaking. I can't even imagine how someone would cope with finding that out.

Admiral_Pants

Admiral_Pants

Austin, TX
May 2004

JAN 12, 2008 01:53 AM

Or maybe Davey made it up to push a pet issue.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 12, 2008 02:08 AM

Hmm. That *is* sad, but as far as I can tell, what's worst about it is it's an unnecessary split. They love each other, no? Provided they don't reproduce, why should there be a problem (other than the cultural taboo, I mean)? It's not like the traditional incest scenario, where there's fucked-up power dynamics going on and quite possibly some sort of coercion...

(Edit: All of which providing that they were real - the almost total lack of information does kinda lend credence to Admiral_Pants' suggestion.)

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

JAN 12, 2008 07:57 AM

Yeah, I feel bad that they ever had to find that out. It never would've made a difference.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

Charleston, SC
August 2004

JAN 12, 2008 08:13 AM

i'd fuck my identical twin. i'd fuck my identical twin hard.

erleichda

erleichda

Germany
May 2003

JAN 12, 2008 08:50 AM

It's a cultural taboo and one that is quite anachronistic, I believe.

Let's disregard the cases where abuse is involved, because that's not really what this is about.

Kids who grow up together, whether they be siblings or not usually will not fall in love with each other. Siblings who meet later in life can. The taboo involved with this stems from the fact that children out of such pairings are more likely to have genetic defects. But the same can be said about non-related couples that have known genetic defects that they are likely to pass on to their children. Yet very few people would argue that these couples should be prohibited from having children. That would infringe on their basic human rights.

There is this story from Germany which has garnered quite some media attention:


Patrick, who is 30 years old, was adopted and, as a child, he lived in Potsdam.

He did not meet his mother and biological family until he was 23. He travelled to Leipzig with a friend in 2000, determined to make contact with his other relatives.

He met his sister Susan for the first time, and according to the couple, after their mother died, they fell in love.

"When I was younger, I didn't know that I had a brother. I met Patrick and I was so surprised," said Susan, who is 22.

(...)

Patrick and Susan have been living together for the last six years, and they now have four children.

The authorities placed their first son, Eric, in the care of a foster family, and two other children were also placed in care.

(...)

Incest is a criminal offence in Germany. Patrick Stuebing has already served a two-year sentence for committing incest and there is another jail term looming if paragraph 173 of the legal code is not overturned.

The couple's lawyer, Endrik Wilhelm, has lodged an appeal with Germany's highest judicial body, the federal Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe, in order to overturn the country's ban on incest.

"Under Germany's criminal code, which dates back to 1871, it is a crime for close relatives to have sex and it's punishable by up to three years in prison. This law is out of date and it breaches the couple's civil rights," Dr Wilhelm said.

"Why are disabled parents allowed to have children, or people with hereditary diseases or women over 40? No-one says that is a crime.

"This couple are not harming anyone. It is discrimination. And besides, we must not forget that every child is so valuable," said Dr Wilhelm.



If they are happy with each other, let them be. Should they have children together? Probably not. But I don't think that's for me or anybody else to say. Should their children be taken away from them? Fuck no.

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3qtrtime

3qtrtime

Metairie, LA
September 2007

JAN 12, 2008 10:02 AM

OK, maybe I'm just a cynical bastard but weren't there some kind of signs involved? I mean, I'll admit, I don't know the first thing about separated twins but shouldn't each have some major scars or stories, maybe when the laid together for the first time....hmmm, "it sure is weird that your scar and my scar match soooo perfectly together" kind of thing? This one is hard to get my head around! I could see the sperm donor kids, but this? Either way, I feel for them because its sad but damn.

Rush

Rush

Long Island City, NY
June 2005

JAN 12, 2008 10:13 AM

3qtrtime said:
OK, maybe I'm just a cynical bastard but weren't there some kind of signs involved? I mean, I'll admit, I don't know the first thing about separated twins but shouldn't each have some major scars or stories, maybe when the laid together for the first time....hmmm, "it sure is weird that your scar and my scar match soooo perfectly together" kind of thing? This one is hard to get my head around! I could see the sperm donor kids, but this? Either way, I feel for them because its sad but damn.


There would be no reason for twins to have matching scars.

Or why two babies separated at birth would have similar life stories.

Or why fraternal twins would have any birthmarks or features in common.

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

JAN 12, 2008 10:30 AM

PantherNesmith said:
Just six months? I'd have to soak my lady bits in everclear for at least eight to feel some what close to clean.


In all fairness I'd be drinking until I saw red about every night for that entire six months. If I managed to survive that, I'd take a couple trips to the doctors and get a status check on my vitals and then start thinking about where to go from there. Get a house deep in the woods somewhere and punch a bear in the face.

3qtrtime said:
OK, maybe I'm just a cynical bastard but weren't there some kind of signs involved? I mean, I'll admit, I don't know the first thing about separated twins but shouldn't each have some major scars or stories, maybe when the laid together for the first time....hmmm, "it sure is weird that your scar and my scar match soooo perfectly together" kind of thing? This one is hard to get my head around! I could see the sperm donor kids, but this? Either way, I feel for them because its sad but damn.

You do realize that not all twins are conjoined, right?

3qtrtime

3qtrtime

Metairie, LA
September 2007

JAN 12, 2008 10:36 AM

aah, I see where my mistake came in...I briefly caught this yesterday and was mistaken by the sensationlist picture of conjourned twins...not just separated. This is where the "scar and stories" part comes in...(bows head in disgrace from trying to recall from memory) thanks for correcting.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Morocco

JAN 12, 2008 10:41 AM

Postblank said:
Get a house deep in the woods somewhere and punch a bear in the face.



Lulz.

Roethke

Roethke

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JAN 12, 2008 10:42 AM

Der Rhinegold! It's true!

dingoes8

dingoes8

Milwaukee, WI
March 2004

JAN 12, 2008 11:34 AM

I'd say screw society. Maybe don't have kids so as not to mess up the genepool, but I'm sure they'd be willing to adopt, having been adopted themselves.

The weirdness of incest, to me, comes more from having grown up together and lived most of your life together in a non-sexual relationship. That sort of family bond does not lend itself to sex, especially when one person is older and there's a sort of assumed dominance . But I don't think there's anything inherently wrong on a physiological level about having sex with someone you're biologically related to, as long as that non-sexual, familial bond doesn't already exist in your relationship. Granted, a case involving twins is pretty weird. But I don't think the state has any business stepping in here.

Ferretbite

Ferretbite

Mexico
September 2006

JAN 12, 2008 11:43 AM

Oh my. It's like The Children of Húrin... surreal

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