I just watched this movie earlier today and to me it's always come off as showing good and bad parts of both sexes. While all the men all came off the same(as imature joking lost things) there were very different types of women
(working independent women and stoner guy like women). I think in some ways this movie shows a good view of women.
Psybolt said:
It's a shame she finds it hard to love the movie that actually made her a name in the business and not just "that chick from Grey's Anatomy".
Yes, the guys in the movie were the focus of the comedy (and Leslie Mann had some pretty hilarious moments), but look at the characters - Rogen is a 23 year old unemployed stoner who got a girl pregnant and (for the most part) shirks most of the responsibility that comes along with it. Rudd is an apathetic smartass who doesn't seem to want anything to do with his own marriage.
Don't click the spoiler unless you have seen "Knocked Up", can reasonably guess what the whole plot ends up being, or just don't give a shit one way or another:
Not only are Rogen and Rudd imperfect, but don't they, I don't know, change their ways? Realize that they have to move on and become adults and act responsible?
I do agree that "Knocked Up" was guy-centric, but sexist would be taking it far considering the direction the two lead male characters go.
Then again, I'm a guy, so my bias might be showing.
She read the script before she started right? Don't take a movie you don't feel good about. End of story. Stop the bitching and the "Sexism" bullshit. People are becoming far too sensitive about stupid things. I am annoyed.
After watching Knocked Up, I thought the whole point of the film was that the guys were go-nowhere pathetic loser stoners, and that the message of the film was that behavior like that isn't really acceptable as a father, and that at some point, you have to grow up and accept responsibilty for yourself and your actions.
Personally, I thought that was a pretty positive message. But what do I know, right?
Katherine Heigl eats babies! There, I said it. She eats babies and it's best we stop talking about her before she eats us as well. Draw your curtains and say your prayers...and for the love of God, put a chip-clip on all puffed-cheese comestibles!!!
But also, Gillionaire is totally on point with that last comment. The guys for the most part were losers, but Seth's character really showed through...until his baby was all ate and shit. Won't someone stop Katherine Heigl?!
To be honest, though I thought tghe movie was pretty damn funny, I thought her character was pretty cool and felt shamed by the way the males were portrayed.
It's interesting, I saw the interview with Shauna McDonald on her role in The Descent (interviewed on this very website by DRE, god rest) and she had something quite unusual to say about the film. She maintained it was an anti-woman film because the women didn't resolve their differences to get out of the situation. However, if they'd have done that...it wouldn't be a horror film. Or a good film. The idea is that these people are not a functioning unit; they're frightened and stupid and would do just what men would do in that situation. They're real people, gender politics shouldn't influence something because it doesn't present a certain gender in a good light. They're behaving like people do - flawed and idiotic.
Now, I know this has nothing to do with Knocked Up, but the situation is similar. As far as I can tell, Knocked Up is a story about a man needing to grow up. We polarise the characters because she IS more mature than he is, and it does come off slightly negative I suppose because she is trying to encourage him to be more of a man. I think it's more of a lesson for men, really. I'd say Katherine Heigl's character is quite strong.
Sleepylady sounds like Bitch_Phd with this article. Everything seen as a feministic endeavor.
Anyone remember Boondock Saints? The chick in the opening credits going off on some feminist rant because of the "rule of thumb" comment made by one of the twins? She tied it back to it being legal to beat a women with a switch, no wider than the man's thumb. She totally took it out of context and decided she HAD to make a scene because she is a feminist.
Sleepylady reminds me of that woman now due to this article.
Thank you for dissecting the cultural signifigance of Knocked Up. Now that we've pin pointed the problem here, we can make a romantic comedy in which two upstanding, independant, and career driven adults get together and make a baby. IT WILL BE HILARIOUS!!! Not to mention, our children will finally have something to watch that can properly teach them how to be responsible adults.... after all, what are movies for?
Benzino said:
I also believe that the film portrayed an unplanned pregnancy pretty realistically. Though I have never knocked up a woman I would assume that a lot of what went on in the film is very simular to what would occur.
LOLOLOLOLOL
anyway, the new yorker article on this topic referenced above is excellent.
emotedcreations said:
I don't know if this makes me sexist, but I thought the movie was really funny, and: 1) I loved both the female leads 2) although funny, thought the guys came across as losers. The one redeeming quality of the co-protagonist is that he grew the fuck up. So, does this make me sexist?
2) No. However, I find this constant repetition of films in which a male can't grow up until a woman comes along to be his second mother awfully banal. I grew up watching a whole lot of slacker films, and this is a rather common theme. It's true that many young kids take what they see in movies to heart, repeat the lines over and over again and, on some level, think that is how life really is, or at least should be.
Don't forget that what is and what should be are two entirely different things. Should guys wait till a woman comes along to grow up? Certainly not. If that were the case, some guys wouldn't mature for an awfully long time. Is that what happens a lot of the time? Sure. I know it's only anecdotal, but probably 90% of my friends went through big steps in maturity as a result of a new woman in their lives. That's just how it works for a lot of guys. If you think about it, someone comes into your life that is really important to you, that's a pretty big motivation to get your shit together especially if you plan on keeping them around.
Does that mean that makes in OK for movies not to be original? No. But if you ask me about 99% of movies are played out and unoriginal. The problem is more with the industry as a whole rather than any specific topic of a type of movie (in as much as it's perceived to be a problem anyway).
Asia8989
Mount Vernon, IA
September 2007
DEC 08, 2007 07:57 PM