AmbientLight said:
I think he's just scared that if everyone found out that we can find "God" on our own terms, he and his like would have to go out and find real jobs!
I love his Lovecraftian view of yoga. I mean if its a practice that arose from something other than christiaity then in his eyes it should be complete bunk and be nothing more than an exercise. He seems to view it as some sort of ritual capable of giving someone a spiritual experience that is in some way sinister.
I know what Pat is getting at. If we great unwashed masses think that God is within our realm or that we can be lifted up to a higher mind, we might start thinking for ourselves and wanting peace. (Uh-oh!)
You give Pat Robertson way too much credit. He's afraid of yoga simply because it's unfamiliar to him and it's rooted in a different kind of spirituality. To him, that makes it inherently dangerous.
Friggin' excellent. I applaud you and the World's Strongest Old Dude. Not sure how his femur doesn't snap in half, but hey...he's got the G.O.D. on his side, right?
Even though I despise the man and his crazy religion, Pat Robertson is 100% correct. Yoga is a spiritual practice. If you're a fundamentalist Christian, you shouldn't be doing yoga, unless you're open to changing your belief system.
Here is just one of many articles about yoga's roots as a spiritual practice:
I'm sure the soccer mom suburbanite version of yoga has most of the omming and chanting toned down in the classes, but as you spend more time learning about yoga, you will absolutely come up against the spiritual aspects of it. You would have to be wearing some pretty heavy blinders not to see it.
s5 said:
Even though I despise the man and his crazy religion, Pat Robertson is 100% correct. Yoga is a spiritual practice. If you're a fundamentalist Christian, you shouldn't be doing yoga, unless you're open to changing your belief system.
Here is just one of many articles about yoga's roots as a spiritual practice:
I'm sure the soccer mom suburbanite version of yoga has most of the omming and chanting toned down in the classes, but as you spend more time learning about yoga, you will absolutely come up against the spiritual aspects of it. You would have to be wearing some pretty heavy blinders not to see it.
Though, it is true that yoga is an inherently spiritual practice... from what I've read from your link, it doesn't seem to be incompatible with Christianity, especially some of the more "liberal" protestant sects.
Afterall, isn't the aim about getting closer to one's Creator?
But you can say exactly the same thing about kung fu.
To say that any physical practice done for better body health has an inextricable "spiritual" element doesn't seem logical to me. I will say, however, that your point about spending more time and coming up against the belief is true, but only insofar as you will be looking for progressively experienced teachers, and it seems likely that the further up you go, the more the teacher will expect that spiritual element to be present.
But that isn't to say that you can't divorce it from that. You certainly can. Ultimately, it is a well-tested system of driving the body to ever higher limits, but saying that it must contain a spiritual element, well, that sounds a bit like saying "because of Jesus' parable of the talents, I can now lift 2000 pounds with my legs."
jennifer_lt said:
Though, it is true that yoga is an inherently spiritual practice... from what I've read from your link, it doesn't seem to be incompatible with Christianity, especially some of the more "liberal" protestant sects.
Afterall, isn't the aim about getting closer to one's Creator?
That is why he specified "fundamentalist" Christians. There is nothing very liberal about the people who specifically believe that every word of the Bible is literally true.
jennifer_lt said:
Though, it is true that yoga is an inherently spiritual practice... from what I've read from your link, it doesn't seem to be incompatible with Christianity, especially some of the more "liberal" protestant sects.
Afterall, isn't the aim about getting closer to one's Creator?
Sure, if you're not a fundamentalist. But if you are (and I would say that someone asking Pat Robertson for advice would be) then doing yoga is the wrong choice, assuming you intend to remain a fundamentalist.
i agree with robertson.
yoga is the spookiest thing ever.
that's why i do it.
i'm all about spooky pantheism.
I spend the whole class chanting with every God who will show up,
Jesus, Krishna, Everybody.
I need all the help i can get.
Sat Nam, On Car Seriwa Guru.
Fun Dim Mental ists are the lowest form of non spirtual life on Earth.
I'm surrounded by them, they violate the seperation of Chiurch and State in mass, and intend to destroy all real knowlege , scientific, spiritual,and Historical.
They are the shit that Jesus stepped over.
It suddenly occurs to me that this Board is not much different than, Fear the Reaper's domain.
Doesn't anything on this site happen by it's self, I mean without bait from some staff writer, or more to the point, some writer wanna be ?
AmbientLight
I'm lost
March 2005
NOV 30, 2007 07:20 PM