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SleepyLady

SleepyLady

Los Angeles, CA
October 2007

NOV 24, 2007 07:08 PM





How the hell is an independent coffee shop supposed to survive with twelve Starbucks located in the surrounding areas, the closest one only a half mile away?



If you're Rhonda and Jon Mallek, owners of the Fine Grind in Little Falls, NJ you'll put up this billboard.







As reported in the The New York Times, The Fine Grind has the usual coffee shop offerings; Internet access, fancy coffee and seasonal drinks. The Fine Grind had a loyal following as well.



And then Starbucks came to town.



…. Mrs. Mallek was a bit taken aback when she saw two of the regulars _ the regulars! _ near her shop, Starbucks cups in hand, not long after the new one opened last summer. And so came the idea of the billboard, about a half block from the Starbucks _ as close as they could get _ reading: "We may not be Big ... but we're not Bitter!" And "We ARE your neighborhood coffee spot!"





Now it's totally possible that if the Mallek's customers are anything like me, they'll patronize both Starbucks and (places like) The Fine Grind. So, the Mallek's shouldn't worry, right? Then again it's probably people like me who won't choose a side who are responsible for local businesses closing down.



There are about three local coffee shops in my neighborhood. All three coffee shops are within walking distance from my apartment. I try not to drive unless work related. The problem is that the independently owned coffee shops in my area don't open early enough. Starbucks opens at 6 a.m. Starbucks' more elaborate drinks are pricey but a small coffee is $1.65 compared to the $3 that one independently owned coffee shop charges.



(For the sake of not putting everyone to sleep I'm omitting any details about how I also make coffee at my apartment to save money.)



This NY Times article mentioned websites such as I Hate Starbucks.com and We Hate Starbucks.com. I checked out both sites. I Hate Starbucks.com is in dire need of a web designer. I'm not a fan of white text on a black background. I could only spend ten seconds there.



There are some interesting yet impractical ideas on We Hate Starbucks (the web address is not actually wehatestarbucks.com.)



Have you heard of the game Starbucks Musical Chairs? It seems like a bit of a pain in the ass and I'm not sure how it sticks anything to "the man."



The rules involve buying a coffee at a mom-and-pop shop and disguising your cup with a Starbucks sticker. Players then keep inconspicuously switching seats in order to gain points and the first person to hit 100 points stands up and screams, "Help me! I've been Starbucked!" And then all of the players with their disguised drinks get up and leave.



The only reasonable tactic on We Hate Starbucks is the simple download of a letter titled, "Dear Coffee Drinker." The idea is to deliver it to folks sitting in a Starbucks or slap it up on the window in front of customers.



Here is one example of a few of the anti-Starbucks arguments made in the short letter:



1- Starbucks farming techniques are unsustainable and damaging to the environment, the crops wipe out bio-diversity and the countries that they buy their coffee from (Guatemala, Indonesia etc) don't enforce any strong environmental regulations. So even if Starbucks released statements about their commitment to the ecology and dislike for chemicals, they are not carried out. This is not likely to improve with the WTO in its current state of slashing all hindrance to big business.





(The website does note that in the last two years Starbucks has started to offer some official Fair Trade coffee.)



I'll admit I'm seduced by the sameness of every Starbucks. I know how my drinks will taste. I've grown to like my name on a cup. If I get lost and I see a Starbucks, I immediately feel safe. And for some reason I've bought into the fact that the baristas are happy and protected with their health insurance from working only part-time! But I think it's time for me to make a stand. No more Starbucks. From now on I'll support local business exclusively and write my own damn name on my cup.







xazapdmytinu

xazapdmytinu

Fort Collins, CO
July 2007

NOV 25, 2007 12:15 PM

Wow...1.65 for a cup of black coffee? Is that 20 ounce? because I can get a 20 ounce of just about any local coffee for less than that. Furthermore, how many people go into Starbucks and order a straight up cuppa joe? <looks at coffee he's currently drinking>

SHIT...my roommate went to the starbucks that drove our favorite shop out of business. Backstabbing bitch.

I feel like starbucks is this thing that everyone loves to hate, even if they still drink it. I'm not saying everyone drinks it. There are plenty of people who don't. The problem is that there are also people who drink EXCLUSIVELY Starbucks...which I liken to buying ONLY Conoco gasoline, or shopping at ONLY Whole Foods...

And that picture, even if someone went and collected a bunch of used Starbucks cups, is disgusting. Those wonderfully bleached white paper cups and deliciously clear cups are a reminder of just one small problem with our culture. puke

bendingunit23

bendingunit23

Victoria, BC
April 2005

NOV 25, 2007 12:17 PM

that's it coffee drinking masses unite...

after this cup.

marksplatter

marksplatter

Germany
January 2004

NOV 25, 2007 12:22 PM

Starbucks is BALLS. these big chains are ruining the individuality and selection of independent stores, which can be just as creative if not more so. i dont want racing stripes on my coffee available in every color! Starbucks is way more expensive almost every time. Anyway, I support independent shops 100% over Starbucks.

coyotemike

coyotemike

Tuvalu
May 2006

NOV 25, 2007 12:22 PM

Personally, I can't stand Starbuck's coffee. It just tastes bad. The place I go to, I pay $1.61 (after taxes) for a bottomless cup of locally roasted coffee. This is not a blind hatred; I've tried Starbucks and a few other of the chain-type places, and they just don't do it for me. I'm not one for specialty drinks or anything. I'm a one-sugar/little cream type guy.

How do you beat Starbucks? Just don't go.

lefthandright

lefthandright

New Zealand
September 2006

NOV 25, 2007 12:34 PM

star bucks as a entity was originally set by a black cell organisation by the C.I.A to covertly launder money. The plan was establish ONE in every major city in the u.s.a..this way the c.i.a could transfer illegally gained funds easily and quickly throughout the country. The administrators never anticipated that the organisation was going to make money and originally tried to keep it low key by making extremely poor quality coffee that repel a usual customer base. To date operation 'star buck' is now unofficially one of the c.i.a's most profitable branches of revenue. Every you buy a star bucks coffee, you are unwittingly supporting brutal and inhumane para-military tactics, as well as funding political regimes that impinge upon basic human rights. Just thought you should know. This information I have shared could possibly lead to my death, if i should meet an unfortunate demise...please remember...only steam the milk to a temperature of 47 degree celesius, never grind coffee more than 20 minutes before using and always adjust grind according to humidity.

Salome

Salome

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

NOV 25, 2007 12:50 PM

My first job was at a coffee shop, which was shut two years later because a Starbucks moved in the area. Starbucks openly practices something officially called "cannibalism": Corporate opens Starbucks franchises in a particular area one after another until the franchises start cannibalizing business from one another. By this time, the sheer ubiquity of Starbucks, and the the comforting sameness you mentioned, have almost always obliterated the mom-and-pop coffeeshops and given other chain coffeehouses in the area a serious hurt.

It might be business practice, but it's not for me. Fuck Starbucks. Their coffee is weak as shit anyway.

Gayballs

Gayballs

Seattle, WA
July 2005

NOV 25, 2007 12:51 PM

haha

drummer5

drummer5

Syracuse, NY
August 2005

NOV 25, 2007 12:52 PM

My main reason for hating Starbucks is their coffee, just plain straight up black, sucks. I also don't like it because they targeted two local shops and moved in right next to them.

But either way I don't but coffee there and I suggest people try other places around me, hell I've even put up fliers around my school for local shops.

So that's my way of "fighting" Starbucks, even though I know they'll still go on conquering the world of coffee...

Shalome

Shalome

MODERATOR

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 25, 2007 12:55 PM

SleepyLady said:

1- Starbucks farming techniques are unsustainable and damaging to the environment, the crops wipe out bio-diversity and the countries that they buy their coffee from (Guatemala, Indonesia etc) dont enforce any strong environmental regulations. So even if Starbucks release statements about their commitment to the ecology and dislike for chemicals, they are not carried out. This is not likely to improve with the WTO in its current state of slashing all hindrance to big business.



(The website does note that in the last two years Starbucks has started to offer some official Fair Trade coffee.)



The website you're quoting didn't do much research.

Here, start with this post from 2004; it contains links to actual facts and research about Starbucks coffee-buying practices. smile

I dislike Starbucks coffee and their underhanded market saturation tactics, but anyone who's going to jump on the anti-corporation rah-rah bandwagon should at least use things like, you know, actual facts and stuff.

catdad

catdad

Portland, OR
August 2002
Bren73

Bren73

Parsippany, NJ
October 2005

NOV 25, 2007 12:59 PM

Starbucks is terrible... puke

wink84

wink84

Fulton, MO
October 2007

NOV 25, 2007 01:00 PM

I make my own coffee. Just plain coffee with 2 pumpking pie spice creamers. I could go on my soapbox about coporate companies taking over Mom and Pop's, but I just got back from Wal-Mart, and I think the Gods of hypocritical Hell would seize me.

Haushinka

Haushinka

Lakewood, NJ
August 2005

NOV 25, 2007 01:06 PM

I really don't know anyone who goes to Starbucks for regular coffee. Their specialty drinks are what really draw most people in. If I want a regular cheap cup of coffee, I'll drive over to another "big corporation", atleast to us NE Coast people.....WAWA! biggrin

shapeshifter23

shapeshifter23

San Francisco, CA
September 2005

NOV 25, 2007 01:07 PM

TommyRocket

TommyRocket

Philadelphia, PA
August 2006

NOV 25, 2007 01:09 PM

starbucks are everywhere in new york and it's really difficult to find a good coffee shop to sit in because they've taken all the larger spaces.

their coffee is terrible and their flavored drinks make me want to puke.

please support local shops!!!

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 25, 2007 01:09 PM

There are two Starbucks in Houston across the street from each other. Fucking amazing.

Tatsu_Shiro

Tatsu_Shiro

Wichita, KS
October 2007

NOV 25, 2007 01:17 PM

Ok. I guess becase I enjoy a cup full of green tea rather than a cup of coffee, my opinion may not be entirely valid here. But what the hell is up with coffee? how can coffee be so good, and such a neccesity that a company can sell only ground up beans in heated water and become an industrial super power? It seems to me as the closest thing to insanity as you can get. Plus, even if they were using crappy beans from a 2nd world country, can't be any worse than ole Mickey D's.

Mallory

Mallory

SUICIDEGIRL

Pennsylvania, USA

NOV 25, 2007 01:19 PM

i don't have a problem with starbucks..
there are plenty of independent coffee shops in philadelphia..
the baristas in said coffee shops tend to be assholes...
i think i'd rather go to starbucks where i know i'm not going
to get attitude for ordering a drink

Ferretbite

Ferretbite

Mexico
September 2006

NOV 25, 2007 01:20 PM

Eh, there's only about 4 of them stores in my city and they have one hell of a rough time with the many local coffee houses as well as the local equivalent of their shop which sucks just as bad but costs about half.

Wait, why do I care, I don't drink coffee in the first place!!! puke

MrStitches

MrStitches

Sag Harbor, NY
November 2003

NOV 25, 2007 01:20 PM

If the coffee at Starbucks was good or they had good prices, I would understand their popularity. But their coffee is mediocre at best compared to your average coffee shop, and their prices, around here anyway where prices are mostly pretty high, are slightly higher than average I think at least for regular brewed coffee.

Atomthebest

Atomthebest

Montreal, QC
October 2004

NOV 25, 2007 01:30 PM

I've only been to Starbucks twice in my life. Once to use the bathroom; the other to meet a girl. I think its different for Canadians though. The only place in Canada that Starbucks seems to have successfully dominated is Vancouver. In most Canadian cities I've been to, its either Tim Hortons or a split between several other coffee franchises. Although I don't approve of their business practices, or the decor of their cafes, I mainly avoid them because I think their coffee sucks.

TheCoolerKing

TheCoolerKing

NEWSWIRE

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 25, 2007 01:30 PM

Haushinka said:
I really don't know anyone who goes to Starbucks for regular coffee. Their specialty drinks are what really draw most people in. If I want a regular cheap cup of coffee, I'll drive over to another "big corporation", atleast to us NE Coast people.....WAWA! biggrin


Ahh Wawa... I miss the Wawa "shortie."

the_colours

the_colours

Kansas City, MO
April 2007

NOV 25, 2007 01:32 PM

I'm a bit of a coffee snob, yes. But my biggest reason for not going to Starbucks is supporting local business. What fun is it to live in a city where your only options are generic chain stores? Why would anyone want that? It really does matter where you spend your money. I just...don't get it. Where I live, we have a fairly good assortment of indie coffee shops, some open from 6 am to midnight daily, and only about 25% of the baristas I encounter are douchebags, same as anyplace. So maybe we're lucky, I dunno.

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

NOV 25, 2007 01:41 PM

I love Starbucks! Their ubiquity means no matter where I am I only need to walk a few blocks to get to a reliable internet connection.



I don't drink coffee.

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