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Speechless. Utterly speechless.

You're kind of an idiot aren't you?

*sigh*

Company A sells product for 10 dollars.
Some people can afford 10 dollars, a large amount of people can't.
They can't make money on their product, because not enough people can afford it.
They change the price point to 8 dollars. They're still making profits, due to increased sales.

OR

Government decides to subsidize the cost for those who can't afford 10 dollars.
Company raises price to 12 dollars, because even if the 10 dollar people can't afford it anymore... the government is subsidizing the cost difference on the large population of people who cannot afford it.

As for your "5 cent" comment. You can marginalize every government program in that way. "It's just 5 cents to you, why do you care?" Allow enough nickels to be wasted, and eventually you'll be losing dollars.

Do tell: what's it like to have no idea what you're talking about?

In Reagan Fantasy Land maybe. But not in real life. Which, in case you didn't notice, exists.

A) And I want my community to be improved, by having members who pull their own weight.

B) No. I'd prefer that people were forced to be more responsible about their choices, instead of depending on the government to bail them out. I'd also like forced paternity tests for men, and more laws to take the burden of unwanted pregnancies solely off the heads of mothers.

My mother raised me on her own from birth, she doesn't come from a family with money, and she never had to go on welfare. She took responsibility for her actions, despite my father not, and didn't need a free ride on the taxpayers dollar.

I read it, I just forgot to address it.

First off, NOTHING is free. Someone pays for it somewhere somehow. That statement can be a spin of, "Taxes won't be raised for this, funds will just be re-appropriated from something else."

Secondly, it's already costing money. Do you think legislators work for free? They're time spent reviewing the bill costs money before the bill even passes.

Hmmmm last time I checked birth control is not 10 dollars!!! BC is expensive and depending on what form that you use, can cost up 300 without insurance. Wow, people need really inform themselves before they post nonsense. I wish i could get bc for 10, and many insurance companies no longer cover BC, so how does that work? Mind you have to refill BC every month or every few months. Oh and Legislators make money, Ive never seen one in the checkout counter at my local supermarket or driving themselves to thier local store. So, they are making money doing what now....oh yeah fucking us over.

Because the poor don't like, work three jobs just to feed their kids or anything. I have no idea whose propaganda you swallowed to feed these shallow, ill-informed ideas, but please PLEASE stop paying attention to them.

You honestly believe that poverty is a fuckng CHOICE? You're out of your god damn mind.

Eureka.

I was using hypothetical products and companies. The actual price was unimportant. You can replace it with X Dollars and X-20% and X+20%.

In this belief lies the fundamental problem of your entire fourth grade argument.

Yeah... No one ever makes mistakes, gets a raw deal or is raised at a complete disadvantage. Society is perfect and when bad things happen it's the person's own fucking fault. No one ever needs help with anything.

How the fuck does your country function? I know not everyone down there is a selfish prick. Do they just come out when threads like this come up?

Working 3 jobs and still poor? How many kids does this imaginary person have, that they're still able to collect benefits while working 3 jobs?

And yes, I believe being poor is a choice. The homeless guy you give money to, who buys beer with it; he chooses to be homeless. Anyone can get a job at McDonald's and a second job at Wal-Mart, they'll hire pretty much anyone. Two crap jobs are enough to support oneself. You won't have the most glamorous lifestyle, but you won't need handouts to survive.

I hope no one you ever know or care about finds themselves in desperate circumstances. Because they will kick your ass when they hear you spout this drivel.

Mistakes? Deal with the consequences. People will never learn if they constantly get bailed out.

Raised at a disadvantage? Yes, having a privileged upbringing makes things easier. But being born with a rusty spoon in your mouth doesn't bar you from being successful. And getting free shit from the government isn't going to drive you to strive for more and improve your standing in life.

You have got to be fucking KIDDING ME. Two kids. Two fucking kids. Two kids who need health care, clothing, food, and shelter. Two kids that a divorced single woman in an inner city can't afford on the wages she earns from the jobs that are available in her area.

Have you ever been out of Alaska?

Unless he's mentally ill. Which, you know, a lot of homeless people are. Wait, nevermind, you probably didn't know that.

What fucking reality do you live in? A reality where you have to work less than eight hours a day at McDonald's to be able to feed yourself, let alone your children? A reality where Wal-Mart doesn't discriminate based on sex? A reality where any low-wage employer even considers health care for their employees?

You are ignorant as to the experience of the impoverished American. You live in Alaska, the whitest state in the Union, as well as the state with the sixth-highest median income. You've probably never even met a poor person to be so goddamn ignorant as to their situations and the complexity of the issue of poverty. You spout off generic, selfish economic rhetoric without any understanding whatsoever of economics that you didn't learn from a fucking Ronald Reagan speech.

You liked Catcher in the Rye didn't you...

Actually I was born in a pretty crappy neighborhood in Phoenix. You've probably seen my grandmother's house on Cops a few times.

As for Alaska. My mother and step-father both work for a non-profit company and together make less than I make now in my 20s. When it was just my mother and I, we lived in one of the worst neighborhoods in town. Most of the kids in school took the free lunches. Most of them were on welfare. They also had more toys than me, but hey my Mom couldn't afford them.

I have employees which have no diploma, they get health insurance after 6 months, and they make several dollars an hour over minimum wage. Basically if they haven't killed anyone and can pass a drug test, they get hired. And I work for one of the largest companies in the US. Yet you're telling me people can't find jobs which pay enough to raise their families, even if they're working multiple jobs? I'll remember that the next time I see someone talking on their cellphone while using their Food Stamp card in line at the grocery store.

That's great. Unfortunately, none of the corporations who employ the most impoverished Americans think the same way you do, and they see absolutely no reason why they should. Sorry.

Yes, I fucking am. I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, a city with one of the largest, poorest inner cities in the entire country, and have come into contact with these situations on a regular basis throughout my life. And our Welfare laws were overhauled recently, making welfare essentially only available to people with at least one job. And they still need more jobs to be able to afford essential goods and services, like Fucking Heat and Fucking Food and Fucking Health Care, all of which are Fucking Expensive. Go watch Bowling For Columbine.

Because the actions of one person totally represent the mentality of millions of others. Way to use logic there.

Tell me something, and don't lie to me... People would elect this asshole wouldn't they?

Ron Paul 2008!

I think you missed my point. The company I work for DOES employ impoverished Americans. And if they actually work hard and stick around, they can make more money. I have some employees that make $19/hour + full benefits, despite no high school diploma.

Why is welfare not being available to the unemployed bad? IF anything, that's a good middle ground. "Well at least you're TRYING to support yourself, here's a helping hand."

The only exceptions to the rule, should be the disabled and (I think you mentioned before) the mentally ill. Situations that are not by choice. But there are programs designed for those situations, that make more sense.

If only it were just one person.

Again, so what? That's one company. There are thousands more than pay nine dollars an hour with no benefits whatsoever. Please tell me what you've proven.

Except that the welfare amount doled out is so low that they still have to search out extra income to support their families. And the system is a gigantic beaurocracy fraught to the teeth with fraud and mismanagement.

Okay then, five. Get off your horse. What you've spouted off on this board are a bunch of cliches, nothing more and nothing less. The issue is far more complex than any of what you've said would lead me to believe you acknowledge. I can attest to the fact that the vast, vast majority of people in poverty that I've met or encountered don't act in any way like the stereotypes you've named on this board.

You know having a "conservative" view on welfare, doesn't automatically make someone a Republican. Pigeonholing people into a specific political stereotype based on an opinion on one topic is silly.

But it's such an exaggerated, stereotypical opinion. You can't really blame me.