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IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

MAY 16, 2008 04:10 PM

Update: Today Lori Drew was indicted for "one count of conspiracy and three counts of accessing a computer without authorization and via interstate commerce to obtain information to inflict emotional distress. Each count carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison." (source)

Stiles

Stiles

New York, NY
November 2002

MAY 16, 2008 04:11 PM

Those are Federal charges, BTW.

TheJuanupsman

TheJuanupsman

Hopkins, MN
April 2004

MAY 16, 2008 05:46 PM

Interesting. I'll be surprised if they are able to get a conviction but I applaud the prosecutors for trying to find some way to hold this woman responsible.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

MAY 16, 2008 07:37 PM

IDGAS said:
Update: Today Lori Drew was indicted for "one count of conspiracy and three counts of accessing a computer without authorization and via interstate commerce to obtain information to inflict emotional distress. Each count carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison." (source)


Good. I hope they can either make the charges stick or at least draw it out long enough for her to lose everything she owns.

Prison would be great, though.

Perdita

Perdita

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

MAY 17, 2008 10:45 PM

1. I have seen families where divorce was a possibility and tragedy/trauma is the proverbial straw.
2. Depression and learning disabilities can be a crippling blow for anyone, and adolescent girls are even more vulnerable because it's that much more difficult to believe they are ld.
3. Say what you will about myspace/the internet/whatever, the insensitivity of some people is ASTOUNDING.
4. Finally, I would like to know what a 49-year-old woman was thinking when she decided that this was acceptable adult behavior?

Tiwaz

Tiwaz

Germany
July 2006

MAY 18, 2008 12:17 AM

IDGAS said:
Update: Today Lori Drew was indicted for "one count of conspiracy and three counts of accessing a computer without authorization and via interstate commerce to obtain information to inflict emotional distress. Each count carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison." (source)

BOO YA KA SHAW!!!!

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

MAY 18, 2008 07:11 AM

How does "accessing a computer without authorization and via interstate commerce to obtain information..." fit? She was down the street, and to my knowledge, never accessed the other family's computer.



binturong

binturong

Aliso Viejo, CA
March 2007

MAY 21, 2008 03:37 PM

i find this absolutely disgusting.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Montreal, QC
May 2003

MAY 21, 2008 06:32 PM

IDGAS said:
Update: Today Lori Drew was indicted for "one count of conspiracy and three counts of accessing a computer without authorization and via interstate commerce to obtain information to inflict emotional distress. Each count carries a maximum penalty of five years in prison." (source)



I hope those charges stick like terrible terrible glue.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

MAY 21, 2008 07:27 PM

punk said:
How does "accessing a computer without authorization and via interstate commerce to obtain information..." fit? She was down the street, and to my knowledge, never accessed the other family's computer.


Missouri law enforcement officials said they had not found enough evidence to bring charges in the case, and Ms. Drew, who was 48 when Megan died, has repeatedly denied creating the account.

But because MySpace, a unit of Fox Interactive Media, is based in Beverly Hills, Calif., and its server is here, federal prosecutors decided to wield a federal statute that is generally used to prosecute fraud that occurs across state lines.

The statute applies in the case, the indictment says, because by violating the user agreement of MySpace, which prohibits phony accounts, Ms. Drew was seeking information "to further a tortuous act, namely, intentional infliction of emotional distress."

"To my knowledge it is the first case of its kind in the nation," said Thomas P. O'Brien a United States attorney in California. "But when an adult violates terms on a MySpace account to gain information that creates this type of reaction, it caused this office to take a really hard look."


Calls to Megan's parents, Tina and Ron Meier, were not returned Thursday. Mr. Meier told The St. Louis Post-Dispatch: "It's a good day. It's an awesome feeling."

Ms. Drew's lawyer, H. Dean Steward, said: "I am deeply disappointed. We thought when the St. Louis prosecutors took a look at the case and decided not to bring charges that was the end of it. I don't think the statute they used fits the facts in the indictments."

Ms. Drew is scheduled to be arraigned in Los Angeles in June.

Experts were skeptical that the charges would withstand close legal scrutiny.

"It is an extremely aggressive indictment," said Rebecca Lonergan, a law professor at the University of Southern California and a former federal prosecutor. "I have never in 18 years as a prosecutor seen the statute used that way. Cybercrimes is a relatively new area, but I am not sure this statute technically covers the essence of the harm."

Officials at MySpace said in a written statement, "MySpace does not tolerate cyberbullying and is cooperating fully with the U.S. attorney in this matter."

Various state and local governments have passed or introduced laws that prohibit cyberbullying, often through requirements that school districts have cyberbullying policies.

"I have concerns about the term 'cyberbullying' being applied to this situation," said Nancy Willard, executive director of the Center for Safe and Responsible Internet Use. "Cyberbullying usually occurs between peers. It is not this kind of action."

Ms. Willard, who is also a former lawyer, said she also had doubts about the prosecutor's tactics. "I, like everyone else, would like to see Lori Drew see her comeuppance," she said, "but I have some concerns. I don't think the statute was written to apply to this case."


- The New York Times
(emphasis added)

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAY 21, 2008 11:25 PM

Also, remember that it's an indictment, and the old lawyer's saying is that if the prosecution wants to, it can indict a ham sandwich. Doesn't mean it's going to go anywhere.

dirtyrugbyshirt

dirtyrugbyshirt

I'm lost
March 2008

MAY 22, 2008 05:30 AM

What the FUCK!?! I really dont know what to say. I really dont believe in micro managing parents, or adults in general, or even other people's teens but COME ON! Somebody in this situation, on either end, could have stepped up along the way and said "STOP, time out, whoa!" This is an example of grown ups not being responsible and not thinking about the consequences of thier actions.

Now, they will have the rest of thier lives to think about it.

Rydell

Rydell

SUICIDEGIRL

Alberta, Canada

MAY 22, 2008 01:22 PM

My God..this world is going to hell in a hand basket!! How is a teen now a days suppose to come out half sane with parents like that and that goes for both teens involved!!

Im feel so sorry for teens growing up now....I thought teens were mean in my junior high...that is nothing...sad!!

KikiBH

KikiBH

Washington, DC
December 2004

MAY 22, 2008 02:06 PM

Rydell said:
My God..this world is going to hell in a hand basket!! How is a teen now a days suppose to come out half sane with parents like that and that goes for both teens involved!!

Im feel so sorry for teens growing up now....I thought teens were mean in my junior high...that is nothing...sad!!



If we had internet access in junior high, I would've hung myself.


I'm not kidding.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAY 22, 2008 03:04 PM

Subrosa said:
Also, remember that it's an indictment, and the old lawyer's saying is that if the prosecution wants to, it can indict a ham sandwich. Doesn't mean it's going to go anywhere.



Needless to say, I hope that no one makes being an asshole on the internet a crime.

Seasan

Seasan

HOPEFUL

Newark, DE

MAY 22, 2008 06:12 PM

this was truly a sad event, i know kids can be cruel, but when adults get in it, thats just sick and sad

Analysis

Analysis

HOPEFUL

I'm lost

MAY 26, 2008 03:50 AM

Isolation brought on by technology seems to be desocializing society in a way. If this woman had been able to experience the reality of this child's reaction (as in non-computerized, real life communication) at the time, the child would probably still be alive.

We cannot blame her parents any more than we can blame the community and society at large if you ask me. Not everyone kills themselves because of such humiliation, but most people will be scarred by it and express the scar somehow, maybe by committing the same crime on an unsuspecting victim.

That woman is an embarrassment to herself. This was intentional and effective abuse of an extremely vulnerable target. I don't think she will get much respect in prison.

For those who take suicidality simply as weakness, this may be an internal state you know nothing about. You cannot determine stregnth when you have no way to measure the pressure.

Seachelles

Seachelles

SUICIDEGIRL

New York, USA

MAY 26, 2008 06:07 AM

jeez, this is wild.

GuiltyDoctrine

GuiltyDoctrine

Camp Lejeune, NC
May 2008

MAY 28, 2008 07:18 PM

Clidna said:

mingol said:

GadflySystem said:
I am thankful that, in this world, I have never and will never be a 13 year old girl. This story is a perfect example of why. I've never looked up the suicide rates between young boys as opposed to young girls, but I doubt I'd be surprised by the direction of the ratio.


I don't mean to derail the discussion, but: in most of the world boys commit suicide more often than girls, at every age.


Girls attempt it more though, at a rate of 3:1.



every few months we have a suicide prevention class in the military. women are many times more likely to attempt, but men are more successful. i guess that means us guys mean it and don't fuck around. or we're just better at killing ourselves? (there is nothing more fucked up than really wanting to kill yourself and messing it up... think about it)

normally, i find humor in everything. but this wasn't just someone messing with this girl for lulz. no, they knew their target, knew what kind of reaction she may take. and they will burn for it (in the afterlife, legally, or, hopefully, someone will just light their house on fire). i was depressed and had add as a middle-schooler, and it isn't a fun combo.

thirteen is simply too young to die. for any reason.



AngiePea

AngiePea

HOPEFUL

South Africa

JUN 01, 2008 05:58 AM

insanely sad... frown

Markiel_Tero

Markiel_Tero

Kresgeville, PA
March 2008

JUN 02, 2008 07:32 AM

I fucking hate people

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

JUN 16, 2008 11:33 PM

A Missouri woman accused of posing as a teenage boy on the Internet and harassing a 13-year-old girl who later committed suicide, pleaded not guilty in a federal court here Monday morning to charges of Internet fraud and conspiracy to inflict emotional distress.

In May, a grand jury indicted the woman, Lori Drew, 49, under the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, used in cases in which hackers gain access to information stored on protected computers. It is the first time that statute will be used in a social networking case, according to the United States attorney for Los Angeles, Thomas P. O'Brien.

[...]

Magistrate Abrams set bail for Ms. Drew at $20,000 bail. She was allowed to return to Missouri until trial, which was scheduled for June 29, said Mark Krause, the assistant United States attorney.


- The New York Times

XvVectorvX

XvVectorvX

Orlando, FL
May 2007

JUN 23, 2008 04:01 PM

Okay, I understand that what the lady did was horrible...but she should not be to blame.

The only people to be blamed are the parents. I was in a very similar situation as a child (strangely enough, I was 13). I had planned to kill myself. I had everything set in place so that it would happen when no on could intervene. However, my mother felt there was something up. She confronted me about it, and I wouldn't talk. I was ready to die...really ready to die. She wouldn't take no for an answer, and promptly rushed me to my psychiatrists personal residence. I don't remember the exact words the psychiatrist said, but whatever it was, it broke me down. I had a nervous break down and cried for 7 or 8 hours. I cried myself to sleep at the psychiatrists house. I woke up and was asked if I would like to go to a place where they could help me to understand my feelings better. Having just poured all of my being out to my mother and my psychiatrist, I agreed. Had it not been for the treatment that was then administered, I can promise you that I would be worm meat right now. It is because of those acts that i am who i am now today. Someone who can cope with stress, who has a clear sense of what all of my feelings are, and understands how to control my thought process. By the way, my mom is a horrible parent, but she knew something was up and acted accordingly.

So, the only person to blame is the mother. Without a damn doubt she is to blame. If anyone is to be indicted, it should be her for negligence. The other lady may go down for this, but the mother will eternally live in the most horrid of places, her own damn mind that stupid bitch.

Ladybug

Ladybug

Columbus, OH
June 2006

JUN 23, 2008 04:52 PM

So her mom should have read her mind and magically fixed things.

Damn her.

J24U

J24U

Danvers, MA
February 2006

JUN 23, 2008 05:26 PM

XvVectorvX said:
Okay, I understand that what the lady did was horrible...but she should not be to blame.

The only people to be blamed are the parents. I was in a very similar situation as a child (strangely enough, I was 13). I had planned to kill myself. I had everything set in place so that it would happen when no on could intervene. However, my mother felt there was something up. She confronted me about it, and I wouldn't talk. I was ready to die...really ready to die. She wouldn't take no for an answer, and promptly rushed me to my psychiatrists personal residence. I don't remember the exact words the psychiatrist said, but whatever it was, it broke me down. I had a nervous break down and cried for 7 or 8 hours. I cried myself to sleep at the psychiatrists house. I woke up and was asked if I would like to go to a place where they could help me to understand my feelings better. Having just poured all of my being out to my mother and my psychiatrist, I agreed. Had it not been for the treatment that was then administered, I can promise you that I would be worm meat right now. It is because of those acts that i am who i am now today. Someone who can cope with stress, who has a clear sense of what all of my feelings are, and understands how to control my thought process. By the way, my mom is a horrible parent, but she knew something was up and acted accordingly.

So, the only person to blame is the mother. Without a damn doubt she is to blame. If anyone is to be indicted, it should be her for negligence. The other lady may go down for this, but the mother will eternally live in the most horrid of places, her own damn mind that stupid bitch.




You do understand that not everyone shares your background, your emotional state, your life circumstances, your family etc?

Just because you went through something similar, does not mean this situation is comparable.

There are many, many parents out there who did not know their children were about to kill themselves. Are they stupid bitches as well? Hell, I worked with a kid who seemed to be having a pretty good day until he tried to hang himself in the shower. Am I a bastard because I didn't know even though I am specifically trained for such situations?

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