NEWS: Writers' Strike Gets Nasty

It carried over into dvds

I have heard of at least one other that sounds more promising.

It's not like just one group is going to take a stab at this. The entire business will be shifting over to this new delivery system. A lot of people will try to get a piece.

Sorry, folks, but 50-60 K is nowhere fucking NEAR what a teacher makes. It's about 20-30 K over. So please, stop comparing the fucking WGA to teachers. I know it's a nitpicky thing to bitch about, but seriously. It's apples to oranges. Find another profession that makes around what writers do, and compare it. My grandfather, in addition to 4 years of service on an Air Force SAC base, has his masters in mathematics with a minor in government, taught math for 20 years, then served as an administrator of the school district, running the math and science departments, and he only rated about 45-50 K, tops, before he retired. My grandmother, his wife, taught high school for 30+ years, retired in '94 earning around 40 K a year, and now is a principal at a private school earning considerably less. My mother still teaches, first at public schools, then at the same private school of which her mother is the principal, making considerably less than teachers at a public school with the same range of experience. Also, my mother happens to have a degree AND certification for teaching K-6th, one of the broadest rangest one can have in this country. It's a lot of fucking work. And she still makes nearly 40 K a year less than the lower-tier earners of the WGA. So, I guess in addition to my pet peeve here, color me less than fucking sympathetic to the WGA. They certainly aren't the only ones suffering from an unfair pay scale.

Seriously, get the fuck over yourself.

I would, except for those people who think someone who writes Ugly Betty deserves to be mentioned in the same paragraph as an educator.

Uh, yeah, no they don't.

Hell, this is practically the first non-comic-book-related subject that this guy's participated in, FTR. Do you have a fake internet belt to notch whenever you pop these guys' "I'm a jackass" cherries?

Dude, I joined the site for the girls and Warren Ellis, not the newswire. IE, the reason I mainly lurk in the comics group. I just happened across someone else on the comments (not even FTR's column, which I enjoyed) section who made the mistake of thinking it's ok to compare the WGA to teachers. FTR apparently agrees with my overall stance (which, most importantly, I've admitted is only a personal pet peeve of mine, not some earth-shattering revelation), so what's the problem?

People are not comparing writers who work on Ugly Betty to teachers, but the comparison of writers who do not work on shows like Ugly Beatty is very appropriate. I live here. I am a writer and I know a lot of writers. Many make the same amount of money as a teacher.

And I have several teachers in my family, as well.

Make no mistake, I support you guys. I wholeheartedly support the strike. I hope it ends well for you all. I should've been clearer in my first post that I'm only unsympathetic to the writers who choose to elevate their worth past what it actually is. I don't know any personally, so I'm just coming off as a jackass, I know. However, the teachers are responsible for most of those writers even knowing what the alphabet, the cornerstone of their profession, is. But who strikes for them to get paid better? Where's the gratitude? Ask if the educators on the east coast if the teachers unions in NY ever get them paid better. All they manage is keeping the school board jerkoffs from firing more of them due to budget cuts (I'm not just some trolling fucktard, I swear. If I'm coming off as antagonistic I'm sorry.)

Which at least lets me know that you know where I'm coming from.

All the teachers in your family, and none of them bothered to teach you that anecdotal evidence is useless?

For the '04-'05 school year, the average teachers salary in California was $57,604.

The national average for '04-'05 was $47,602.

All these numbers are from the American Federation of Teachers. If they had median numbers, I'd use those, but they don't. As it is, education doesn't suffer from the salary imbalance that the writers do, so an average is a much more useful number here.

No, they aren't, but teachers are unionized, too, and they have no problem striking when their own damn contract runs out. Take your fallacious logic and the numbers you pulled out of your ass over to the kiddie table, jackass.

But, unlike writers, teachers are considered "public servants" and many jurisdictions have ruled teachers' strikes illegal.

-TM

The salary of teachers also differ widely between states
California - Beginning Teacher Salary: $37,645 Average Teacher Salary: $59,345 or New York - Beginning Teacher Salary: $39,000 (2004-05) Average Teacher Salary: $57,354 verses Mississippi - Beginning Teacher Salary: $30,000 Average Teacher Salary: $37,924 or Texas - Beginning Teacher Salary: $33,775 Average Teacher Salary: $41,744 More details can be found here

If however we assume most working members of the SWG live in or around LA and NYC than we review the salary ranges in those cities. For 2007-2008 Salaries for Teachers with Regular Credentials working for the Los Angeles Unified School District we find a low of $45,637 and a high of $73,900. While in NYC we find the range to be $43,362 to $88,381.

I was more considering the unwashed masses' perspective and its effect on public opinion, which would be unaffected by that factor unless something bigger than the Google-plus-Satan deal materialized in a real way in the publicly-known sphere. I'm fully aware that this is going to happen anyway, but I'm wary of the hit the independent-efforts-to-mainstream-reality progression would take if the first Big Deal that came down the road ended up also being the first thing that Google tried and failed.

Assuming, of course, that Google doesn't have any big failures that I've forgotten.

Not sure why it would be a failure because you don't even know what the product will look like.

The first guy who creates a site that allows writers and directors to create their own shows, without horrific studio notes wins. End of story.

Whoever can attract the talent gets the money. Might be Google, might be the next guy. Might be some company we've never heard of. (that would be my bet)

Really? Think that through much? The "other people" have their jobs because of what the writer creates. The writer gets paid for the one job, then gets residuals from their work. Understand what that means?
The writer writes a script, gets paid for that script. Then he/she should get residuals from the show/movie whenever it gets played or sold through whatever media. Not all writers have a steady stream of people "buying " their scripts, so they depend on these residuals to tie over until the next successful project. Each successful projects generates more jobs.
So, by your logic, the writers should shut up about not getting paid for the present and future use of their creation because the very people they made jobs for, are affected. Well, without the writers creating something, these guys wouldn't have a job anyways. so, by ensuring that writers can continue their jobs, this really in turn, helps generate more jobs for others in the future. If all the writers quit bithcing and found new jobs, there would be no jobs for your "other people"., thus making it worse for all.

I say the writers stop writing for television programs and write more books for us to all read. Let TV die. That means less propaganda for us all to endure.

P.S. You look "shifty" at bars??? That would be interesting to see.

What makes you so certain that books have less propaganda?