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Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

OCT 12, 2007 06:12 AM

emotedcreations said:

Roethke said:
And the show being insured doesn't excuse the fact that the show was still smashed up, and people could have been injured in the process. Insurance isn't a palliative for all ills.

Of course it's not, I was just responding to the issue you raised that for some it's not just art it's their living. Do I think it's right that these guys smashed up the guys art? Of course not. Would I think it's OK for people to have gotten hurt in the process? Of course not. Would I ever council someone to respond to art they disagree with in this manner? Of course not. We live in a society where we are supposedly required to tolerate different people and different outlooks.

I just thought the n00b brought up and interesting point--that is, if someone is constantly pushing people and boundaries just for the sake of pushing boundaries (which is why I said, if he had been represented correctly) then is there not some finality or closure when a such a strong reaction is evoked?

I dunno.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
It's a shame that your friends gallery didn't get money for the vandalism. That just seems wrong.



I guess I'm curious what would make you feel that he's " pushing people and boundaries just for the sake of pushing boundaries " ?
Do you really think he has no thought or purpose behind his art other than to see how much he can enrage people ?
Hum.

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

OCT 12, 2007 06:30 AM

emotedcreations said:

Roethke said:
Trying to create discussion and dialogue about something is a far cry from trying to create teenage hoodlums smashing up a bunch of your property.

Forgive my above comment if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that such expensive pieces would be insured. If not, you're right in that there is a whole new dimension to their act...


The thing is, they're prints. Of photographs. Replacing them will cost $12. Even if I were to become an ignorant vandal, I think I'd destroy paintings or sculpture or something that couldn't be replaced at the mall.

RedBstrd

RedBstrd

Riverside, CA
April 2004

OCT 12, 2007 07:39 AM

The neo-Nazi vandalism was not "performance art" or "boundary pushing." People have destroyed art since the time of Attila the Hun; this is nothing new or progressive. More importantly, it isn't a form of artistic expression when people destroy the art of others. Nazi book-burnings, for instance, were not some sort of productive and radical literary criticism. Instead, they represented the destruction of a segment of European culture and civilization. While I don't like invoking Nazi-parallels, these assholes were neo-Nazis and we have to understand their act in the context of the Nazi attempts to destroy all "deviant" and "decadent" art and literature.

The vandals simply did not do this for artistic expression. They left leaflets that described their political vision (which did not allow room for "decadent culture").

By the way, an indie film/documentary called The Rape of Europa just came out about the Nazi destruction of European art and the attempt of curators, art historians, etc., to find and return all of the pieces stolen by the Nazis.

RedBstrd

RedBstrd

Riverside, CA
April 2004

OCT 12, 2007 07:58 AM

shapeshifter23 said:

fowleryo said:
am i the only one that doesn't see anything wrong with this?

this is fucking art. it's not about money, so i don't really see the need to tell us how much all of his work is worth.

the point, that i've gathered from his work is that he's trying to CREATE controversy, right? so don't you think it'd be mission accomplished for it to piss (pardon the pun) someone off soo much that they felt they NEEDED to destroy it with crowbars and a gang of angry Swedes??

i see this whole thing as a cycle that's now complete. maybe i'm just being naive about this... but in all honestly, i see this as one of the most elaborate and complete performance pieces ever.



I'd have to agree with you there. The gang of vandals have done more in the service of pushing the boundaries of 'art' than the rather unexceptional photographs themselves.



Yeah, and by that rationale, the individual who murdered Theo Van Gogh should also be applauded as a great "performance artist" and for "pushing the boundaries of art" too, right? whatever

The vandals destroyed art and threatened peoples' lives. I don't see the "service" here. When we say that people are "pushing the boundaries" of art, we mean that later people can do more for expression. This event represents the exact opposite: people in Sweden may not be able to express themselves artistically in "decadent" ways without fear to themselves and their creations. Other controversial artists may avoid putting up exhibitions in the area as well, denying the local community access to the experience of other pieces. Of course, the event might not have an effect on the art community but if it does, I see more potential for harm than progress here.

What new avenues of artistic expression has this boundary pushing performance art offered us, pray tell?

defaultx

defaultx

I'm lost
February 2006

OCT 12, 2007 08:18 AM

KILROY WAS HERE.

ferrofluid

ferrofluid

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

OCT 12, 2007 08:49 AM

apesamongus said:

emotedcreations said:

Roethke said:
Trying to create discussion and dialogue about something is a far cry from trying to create teenage hoodlums smashing up a bunch of your property.

Forgive my above comment if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that such expensive pieces would be insured. If not, you're right in that there is a whole new dimension to their act...


The thing is, they're prints. Of photographs. Replacing them will cost $12. Even if I were to become an ignorant vandal, I think I'd destroy paintings or sculpture or something that couldn't be replaced at the mall.




actually, they're huge mural cibachrome prints
which is llike an opaque positive of slide film
it's a dying technique and a HUGE and expensive pain in the ass to do.
nothing else in the world looks like that,
and each print is a technical masterpiece.
and no two are exactly the same.
you don't run off to the ritz or wolf or rite aid and dash one off.
it's not a fucking epson print.
they're original works of art
were original works of art.

they cannot "be replaced"

Xinh

Xinh

France
April 2007

OCT 14, 2007 03:53 AM

sorry for my bad english, i ll try to explain what i feel about this !
i saw the video and i have read the article in NYT.
I saw Serrano's work in france, i like it !
and i am schoked by this kind of neo nazi, who acted against" degenerate art" !!!
i am art student in France, so i am one of that "degenerate student" !! mad

where we are going to !!
so why don't they crash Le Caravage (Michelangelo Merisi da Caravaggio ) paints too ?
Some paints by Le Caravage was made with prostitute to represent Virgin, or christian art...lol is it degenerate art !
there are a lot of example ! but no good reasons to crash them !

i am so sorry my english has limit, but i am very angry with that people frown
frown

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

OCT 14, 2007 03:59 AM

Chainlink said:

emotedcreations said:

Roethke said:
And the show being insured doesn't excuse the fact that the show was still smashed up, and people could have been injured in the process. Insurance isn't a palliative for all ills.

Of course it's not, I was just responding to the issue you raised that for some it's not just art it's their living. Do I think it's right that these guys smashed up the guys art? Of course not. Would I think it's OK for people to have gotten hurt in the process? Of course not. Would I ever council someone to respond to art they disagree with in this manner? Of course not. We live in a society where we are supposedly required to tolerate different people and different outlooks.

I just thought the n00b brought up and interesting point--that is, if someone is constantly pushing people and boundaries just for the sake of pushing boundaries (which is why I said, if he had been represented correctly) then is there not some finality or closure when a such a strong reaction is evoked?

I dunno.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
It's a shame that your friends gallery didn't get money for the vandalism. That just seems wrong.



I guess I'm curious what would make you feel that he's " pushing people and boundaries just for the sake of pushing boundaries " ?
Do you really think he has no thought or purpose behind his art other than to see how much he can enrage people ?
Hum.



That was just how he was portrayed thus far in thread (or rather up until the point of my original comment), and in fact, others have told me otherwise, so my comments are pretty much meaningless. I was just thinking out loud. In that situation, and no other, would I think it's appropriate to do harm to one's artwork. At this point, well, not to be redundant, but my original comments are pretty much pointless...

See lithocarpus's comment....

Rubix

Rubix

SUICIDEGIRL

Canada

OCT 22, 2007 12:54 PM

i am currently writing a paper on the controversy of censorship and specifically Seranno's art! i think it was wrong to destroy the art. but i think it definitely worked to Serrano's advantage. Thats what moral panics are all about!!

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 22, 2007 03:50 PM

DownNeck said:

fowleryo said:
okay, so i registered just to chat with you guys about this. hello, btw smile

am i the only one that doesn't see anything wrong with this?

this is fucking art. it's not about money, so i don't really see the need to tell us how much all of his work is worth.

the point, that i've gathered from his work is that he's trying to CREATE controversy, right? so don't you think it'd be mission accomplished for it to piss (pardon the pun) someone off soo much that they felt they NEEDED to destroy it with crowbars and a gang of angry Swedes??

i see this whole thing as a cycle that's now complete. maybe i'm just being naive about this... but in all honestly, i see this as one of the most elaborate and complete performance pieces ever.



it's never ok to destroy someone else's art, you nazi cunt.



That was stupid, vicious and unnecessary.

BilliamCC

BilliamCC

Dallas, TX
July 2004

OCT 22, 2007 05:11 PM

Xinh said:
so why don't they crash Le Caravage (Michelangelo Merisi da Caravaggio ) paints too ?
Some paints by Le Caravage was made with prostitute to represent Virgin, or christian art...lol is it degenerate art !



They leave those works of art alone because of a fundamental ignorance of the imagery used in the paintings. I'm sure if they actually knew that the prostitute was representing Mary, they'd be up in arms about that as well.

The bad thing about using violent tactics against art (other than the fact that it's just plain stupid) is that it wholly undermines your opinion or cause. Rational dialogue would have pushed their aims much further, but...neo-Nazis. Enough said. It's sort of like anti-abortion protesters bombing clinics and killing doctors. You can't win the public if you look more crazy than the people you're fighting.

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