WildWill said: They are there FOR the free drinks, FOR the t-shirts, but mostly for that possibly tiny little glimmer of hope that for a few momments, they will be the absolute center of the universe.
oyaji said:
When the "unpopular opinion" amounts to defending a sexual predator, the person with the "unpopular opinion" deserves every last bit of scorn he or she gets.
WildWill said: They are there FOR the free drinks, FOR the t-shirts, but mostly for that possibly tiny little glimmer of hope that for a few momments, they will be the absolute center of the universe.
Your omniscience astounds me!
The problem with my new job is that I go to bed early , so when I wake up in the morning to check the boards everything I would have said has already been said.
oyaji said:
What part of "giving alcohol to underage women to induce them to get naked" and "sexual assault" do you people not understand?
It's not like he's accused of just one or two things. It's entirely possible for him to be guilty of some things, not guilty of other things, and railroaded on a third set of things. The existence of that first group doesn't remove our obligation to recognize the last two. It would be a crazy world if he didn't get sent to jail for something, but it's pretty damned important to make sure it's for the right things.
oyaji said:
What part of "giving alcohol to underage women to induce them to get naked" and "sexual assault" do you people not understand?
It's not like he's accused of just one or two things. It's entirely possible for him to be guilty of some things, not guilty of other things, and railroaded on a third set of things. The existence of that first group doesn't remove our obligation to recognize the last two. It would be a crazy world if he didn't get sent to jail for something, but it's pretty damned important to make sure it's for the right things.
How does that change the fact that he is a complete douchebag?
Oh, it doesn't. I thought that was pretty much an established fact by now. I don't even know why people need to point at his actions to show he's a douche. You should be able to figure that out just by looking at him.
Being as I feel the desire to also speak up here, simply on principle, Ill ignore the stuff thats been said and just say my own thoughts rather then comment on whats been said.
I hate it when people compaire SG to porn of any kind, and yes, I consider GGW porn, shitty porn at that.
I find that the differences here lie in the fact that the SG girls are screened quite abit befor they can even start getting their pics taken, they arnt being pressured into doing it, and they arnt doing it for any other reason other then they are beautiful. Not to mention that yes, while there is alcohol portrayed in some of the sets, the girls arnt plastered while shooting.
Personally Im glad that this douch went to jail. That means that he cant visit my town any time soon, thank god.
There is a world of difference between Tasteful Nudes and shakin yer tits at a camera while blasted. But then, maybe I am biased as I also pose in the nude.
Anyone can say that this guy is expolitng women. I disagree. The women are expoiting themselves. They could simply say fuck off pervert I have self respect. He is simply taking advantage of supply and demand. Men like too see naked women and women are willing to do a lot of things when drunk and infront of a camera. Sure he does seem to be a bit sleazy, but how a bout hate on the women who take thier clothe soff for a stranger for a video that millions of people will see?
The comaprison of GGW and Suicide Girls is a bit off. I agree with the one guy saying it is about empowerment. The difference between the suicide Girls and the girls on GGW is that the Suicide Girls have self respect and don't get kicks out of being degraded.
Benzino said:
Anyone can say that this guy is expolitng women. I disagree. The women are expoiting themselves. They could simply say fuck off pervert I have self respect. He is simply taking advantage of supply and demand. Men like too see naked women and women are willing to do a lot of things when drunk and infront of a camera. Sure he does seem to be a bit sleazy, but how a bout hate on the women who take thier clothe soff for a stranger for a video that millions of people will see?
Well that is one way of thinking about it... Another way is that women should have the right to get drunk and even "go wild" without someone asking them to sign a contract while inebriated that gives up any rights that they have. Your argument that all he is doing is meeting supply and demand is complete bullshit... He is breaking the law and yes, exploiting women by doing so.
The difference between the suicide Girls and the girls on GGW is that the Suicide Girls have self respect and don't get kicks out of being degraded.
Benzino said:
Anyone can say that this guy is expolitng women. I disagree. The women are expoiting themselves. They could simply say fuck off pervert I have self respect. He is simply taking advantage of supply and demand. Men like too see naked women and women are willing to do a lot of things when drunk and infront of a camera. Sure he does seem to be a bit sleazy, but how a bout hate on the women who take thier clothe soff for a stranger for a video that millions of people will see?
Well that is one way of thinking about it... Another way is that women should have the right to get drunk and even "go wild" without someone asking them to sign a contract while inebriated that gives up any rights that they have. Your argument that all he is doing is meeting supply and demand is complete bullshit... He is breaking the law and yes, exploiting women by doing so.
The difference between the suicide Girls and the girls on GGW is that the Suicide Girls have self respect and don't get kicks out of being degraded.
Wow, you are a remarkable asshole.
I'm not an asshole Im just stating reality. When you get drunk you can get taken advantage of, simple as that and when these girls go on spring break, or mardi gras or some bar where cameras are they should know that they will be look apon as pieces of meat used to get men off. Seriously don't the flashers know that they are getting degraded and by flashing the guys they immediately lose respect?
I'm not an asshole Im just stating reality. When you get drunk you can get taken advantage of, simple as that
So you're blaming the victim, essentially... The point is women should be able to go out and get drunk, just like a man, without having to worry about assholes videotaping them and then asking them to sign a legal document while they are still intoxicated...
and when these girls go on spring break, or mardi gras or some bar where cameras are they should know that they will be look apon as pieces of meat used to get men off.
Okay, so women should not be able to go out and have a good time because they should fear disgusting ape men? Sounds a little sexist to me.
Seriously don't the flashers know that they are getting degraded and by flashing the guys they immediately lose respect?
Firstly, this is not simply a case of a Mardi Gras flashing. This is a case of a man who gets girls drunk, videotapes them (while intoxicated), gets their consent to sell their image (ummm still while intoxicated), and then makes tons of money off of that scheme... Secondly, I think it's hypocritically sanctimonious of you to assert that a woman flashing a man automatically loses respect for that act...
Benzino said:
I'm not an asshole Im just stating reality. When you get drunk you can get taken advantage of, simple as that and when these girls go on spring break, or mardi gras or some bar where cameras are they should know that they will be look apon as pieces of meat used to get men off. Seriously don't the flashers know that they are getting degraded and by flashing the guys they immediately lose respect?
You can't say "I'm not an asshole" and then write what you just wrote. What you wrote above makes you a pretty gigantic asshole.
Women should be able to go out and enjoy themselves without people who can't control their fucking degrading images of what women should be and what women should do to themselves. Just because some idiot really wants to see tits, it doesn't give him the right to pressure women to show them, or to treat women as objects.
Jesus, some of the people that come out of the woodwork in these threads disgust me.
The women who do these videos just want attention and feel the only way to get the attention is to flash their boobs and to eat out their best friend on a bus, now imagine if someone found out that was your girlfriend, wouldn't you be embarassed? Wouldn't you lose respect for her if she gets drunk and feels the need to flash a camera?
There is a difference between this site and magazines like Playboy where they showcase the female body in a beautiful artistic light, but when a woman gets asked by a pervert to lift to shirt and touch themselves infront of a camera she is simply degrading herself. That's all I'm saying.
Benzino said:
The women who do these videos just want attention and feel the only way to get the attention is to flash their boobs and to eat out their best friend on a bus,
Wow, another omniscient person!!! I am so lucky to be surrounded by such genius!
now imagine if someone found out that was your girlfriend, wouldn't you be embarassed? Wouldn't you lose respect for her if she gets drunk and feels the need to flash a camera?
This sounds like it might be hitting just a little too close to home for you... But my answer to this question is, no, I would not lose respect for her simply because she flashed the camera... We all do crazy things from time to time, especially when we're drunk. But, once again, THIS IS NOT THE POINT. The point is, this guy feeds women (some of them underage) alcohol, videotapes them (once again while inebriated), gets their legal consent to share their image with the world (still while inebriated), and makes tons of money. PS- Did I mention above that a legal document is null and void if the person signing it is incapacitated?
There is a difference between this site and magazines like Playboy where they showcase the female body in a beautiful artistic light, but when a woman gets asked by a pervert to lift to shirt and touch themselves infront of a camera she is simply degrading herself. That's all I'm saying.
So a woman flashing is automatically degrading herself? [cough]Sanctimony[/cough] Please, just shut up, speaking of degrading oneself.
telly1138 said:
...I've used the proper 2 spaces between sentences. null
I agree with almost all you have written. People make the decision, cerebral or not, to drink. Therefore you knowingly and willingly open yourself to the responsibilities that come with a chemically influenced mental state, etc. But you do a fair job on summarizing my argument. In addition, this case is concerning in the lack of unbiased judgment and treatment. Can you imagine if he was of color???
That is all I feel like typing OTHER THAN there really should be ONE space after a period. People use to use two spaces when using a typewriter back in the day because the leading of a type writer's "." was small and required an extra space to differentiate discontinuity between characters. The use of word processors has eliminated the need to do so (One or Two Spaces?). But we were all taught in school (incorrectly if you are not using a typewriter) to use two spaces after a period. Yes, people argue this to the end, but as a Typographer, like many, it is one.
I think that most grammarians would disagree with you...
Benzino said:
The women who do these videos just want attention and feel the only way to get the attention is to flash their boobs and to eat out their best friend on a bus, now imagine if someone found out that was your girlfriend, wouldn't you be embarassed? Wouldn't you lose respect for her if she gets drunk and feels the need to flash a camera?
I only know one person who has actually been in a GGW video. She didn't do it because she thought the only way she could get attention was to flash her boobs and/or eat out their friend on a bus. She did it because she was "in party mode" already, and intoxicated, and she (like I assume many others) felt flattered that she was asked and got lost in the moment.
I'm not saying that was a wise decision on her part, but don't for one fucking minute decide what someone's reason for doing something unless you actually have a clue.
And incidentally, I would not lose respect for any person who did something that they may regret later. I would, however, lose respect for someone who is as judgmental as you.
People make bad decisions. I know I do. It's part of life.
Benzino said:
They could simply say fuck off pervert I have self respect.
Wow. Let me put this in perspective for you:
I got followed by a WOMAN at Mardi Gras who asked me to show my tits. I said no repeatedly, which was in no small way influenced by the fact that I saw a camera man behind her, only to be harassed until I threatened both of the douchebags with physical harm. These two were working for--you guessed it--GGW. I wasn't even asked to sign a release form...
MessyJessy
Fort Myers, FL
August 2005
OCT 03, 2007 10:21 PM