I vote that we throw the ball to girls, and have girls measure the skateboards, and make boys deal with classical music and the chemical compounds in make up.
Really. Why?
Females need more hand eye coordination practice, the whole throwing like a girl commentary has to stop. Also, I know more women than men who understand complicated mechanics with early exposure. AND we all know that fellas who know music are hot and that most chemists are men. Let's train them young too.
Seriously,
All female classrooms aren't a bad thing. All male classrooms aren't a bad thing either. But, if you use them to gender stereotype then there's a problem.
^^^ Well said! I would further say that, in addition to the problems with this scheme as elucidated above, especially in a state with a less than stellar record re: gender/race or any other type of segregation/stereotyping, that South Carolina would do well to focus on any number of other problems in education before getting too exotic. Funding, for instance. Educating the voting public on the value of education, for another instance. That funding education in SC may be just about as important, in the grand scheme, as repairing potholes, for a third instance. Yes, we're looking at some very basic issues here.
BTW, the private school system in SC, to my knowledge, is comprised of the Catholic and Episcopal parochial school systems, various Fundamentalist and Independent "christian" schools, and some Montessori schools that have not yet become part of the Public system (though most have). I'm not aware of any of these school that separate the sexes for all classes. (No telling what some of the fundies do... don't really want to know.) The only "all boy" private schools I know of are the Camden and Aiken(?) Military Academies (are they still in operation?) I'd be interested to know of any others.
phrogg is a product of the SC Public School system
BOOOOO for progressive classroom practices. Down with taking a scientific approach to education. Crucify a parents decision to have the same opportunities for their child offered at expensive private institutions.
Yes, all South Carolinians are ignorant, McDonalds for every meal, deer hunting, wife beating, slave owning, regressive, 17th century bigots with no desire to find precise measures to educate as many of the hooligans spawned by our idiotic masses. Hell, I don't let my wife vote, thank Jesus.
Some SC county districts also offer montessori classrooms inside the public schools just to discriminate against the students that learn well from a traditional classroom.
Gotta love the backwards SC educational system and all the rednecks that manage it.
As the husband to a teacher, brother of a public school speech pathologist, and son to an assistant superintendent I am completely uninformed on this topic and my viewpoint should not be considered. Besides, my breath reeks of Copenhagen.
semiretiredpunk said:
You know, South Carolina was the first state to leave the Union so it could keep slavery, too. What a wonderfully progressive place!
During the 1920s, five million Americans joined the Ku Klux Klan. Hoosiers turned out in record numbers, making Indiana 's Klan the largest, most enthusiastic, and most politically powerful Klan in the country. Between one-fourth and one-third of native-born white Hoosier males joined the group (see document 5), and there were auxiliary organizations for women and children. At its peak in 1925, Indiana 's Klan could boast more members than the Methodist Church, the state's leading denomination.
This "second" Klan was organized in 1915 in Atlanta . In 1920, the southern group began a national publicity campaign, and the first Indiana chapter opened in Evansville in the fall of that year. A few people joined, but then a huge membership drive led by D. C. Stephenson from 1922-1924 brought in 118,000 members across the state (see document 6). Stephenson moved to Indianapolis and started a newspaper, The Fiery Cross, which ran from December 1922 to February 1925. In 1924, Klan numbers overwhelmed the state's Republican Party and elected the governor (Ed Jackson), a majority in both houses of the legislature, and nearly all of the state's thirteen congressmen.
The Klan's legislative program for 1925%u2014directed against parochial schools and Catholic influence in public schools%u2014was a complete failure. But other problems proved more pressing. D. C. Stephenson, the leader (Grand Dragon) of the Klan in the state since 1923, was a charming personality and powerful orator; he was also arrogant, cunning, evil, and hedonistic. Early in 1925, he assaulted, raped, and held captive his young secretary Madge Oberholtzer, who took poison and died one month later. Stephenson was indicted, and when Governor Jackson (who had now distanced himself from the Klan) refused to pardon him, Stephenson leaked information that to Jackson 's trial for bribery (the governor was acquitted on a technicality).
As a political influence, the Klan faded quickly in Indiana, but its social and cultural influence dovetailed more subtly into Hoosier life. Klan literature capitalized on American racism, nativism, patriotism, and traditional moral and family values. Klan members targeted blacks, Catholics, and Jews, but also immigrants, political radicals, feminists, intellectuals, gamblers, bootleggers, thrill-seeking teenagers, and motion picture producers (see document 7). In one sense, Indiana's Klan was a populist organization: it engaged community interests, presented a program of action, and promised political changes. The Klan's message of patriotism, American superiority, and Protestant Christianity united native-born Hoosiers across many lines%u2014gender, geography (north and south), class (white and blue collar), religious (many denominations of Protestants), and residential (urban and rural). But this populist club also propagated a negative and wicked influence. Klan members committed no lynching in Indiana, but their marches, burned crosses, brazen publications, and boycotts of community businesses evoked fear, intimidation, and lifelong trauma (see documents 2-4). Historian James Madison has observed that Indiana's Klan "cannot be dismissed as either an aberration or as simply the insidious appeal of a fanatical few. Nor should the Klan be seen as thoroughly dominating the state and accurately reflecting racist, violent, or provincial beliefs shared for all time by all Hoosiers" ( The Indiana Way, 291). Somewhere in the middle we find the meaning of the Klan in Indiana history.
Lutholtz, M. William. Grand Dragon: D. C. Stephenson and the Ku Klux Klan in Indiana. West Lafayette, Ind., 1991.
Madison, James H. The Indiana Way : A State History. 1986; Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1990. [Pp. 289-95 provide an overview of the 1920s Klan in Indiana]
Moore, Leonard J. Citizen Klansmen: The Ku Klux Klan in Indiana ,1921-1928. Chapel Hill: UNC Press, 1991. [A social and statistical analysis of Klan appeal and activity]
Trelease, Allen W. White Terror: The Ku Klux Klan Conspiracy and Southern Reconstruction. New York, 1971. [Standard history of the post-Civil War Klan]
why not aim for smaller classes and a mix of both types of teaching styles so that everyone can potentially get enough of what he or she needs to learn?
RileyStClair said:
why not aim for smaller classes and a mix of both types of teaching styles so that everyone can potentially get enough of what he or she needs to learn?
That is a very good aim, and one that I am sure every state would love to accomplish. There is one nagging problem to this aim, and I believe it is a national crisis. This problem is the teacher shortage.
I know one particular example of how SC has tried to deal with this exact issue. If someone graduates with a degree in education from a SC school and consents to teach in the state for a minimum of five years then the state will actually pay off student loans. (in a nutshell)
So, in essence, SC has tried, and is continuing to utilize this strategy as a means for better education of the population.
Also, SC has a program called the PACE program which allows for someone who does not have a degree in education but something like, say chemistry, can enter into the school system to teach in their respective specialty while, and only if, they attend classes themselves in the education field. (Or get a masters degree in teaching.) All in the name of smaller classes.
And about the mixture of teaching styles, the idea of seperating the students by sex will be an optional classroom based on the specific needs for the individual student in attendance. All of this will be determined by current teacher, curriculum director, principle, and of course the parent. All who have the best interest of the child in mind. Trust me educators care about what they do. Why else would they deal with your annoying brat for 7 hours a day? It certainly isn't the money.
RileyStClair said:
why not aim for smaller classes and a mix of both types of teaching styles so that everyone can potentially get enough of what he or she needs to learn?
This makes altogether too much sense.
Obversely, I propose that we segregate boys and girls ENTIRELY! None of that normal hormonal distraction and interaction that they engage in at that age, and none of that socialization that is entirely too important at all stages of life.
amlique said:
And about the mixture of teaching styles, the idea of seperating the students by sex will be an optional classroom based on the specific needs for the individual student in attendance.
Um...no. If it's segregated by gender it cannot possibly be "based on the specific needs for the individual student in attendance". Those are two mutually exclusive ideas.
This really could either way. I see the point where girls and boys do learn very differently. They would probably be more apt to retaining learned information if it was being taught at a level they could enjoy. However at the same time the reason for school is to develop social skills. That means with both boys and girls. Lets say they have breaks to be around each other, thats all they have. They wont be able to interact and learn what the other sex offers if they are segregated most of the day. The only way in this situation to find out what pros and cons of this is to try it.
In my experience, guys who went to all boys schools typically are fucking beyond hopeless with girls. It goes beyond awkward, they can be downright rude. I am against seperation of genders at ANY age.
Jennifer_
Venezuela
November 2006
OCT 03, 2007 07:19 AM