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Rahodeb

Rahodeb

Los Angeles, CA
March 2006

SEP 29, 2007 02:49 PM



Around $500,000 in cash was seized when the crimefighters in "Operation Can Scam" busted up a couple of Ohio-based smuggling rings that had been taking advantage of the 10-cent Michigan deposit. In other states, people generally pay a 5-cent container deposit when they buy beer and soft drinks and can return the containers to stores and get paid the 5-cent refund for each. Cashing in cans and bottles from other states to collect the higher, 10-cent Michigan deposit is illegal, and has been estimated to defaud the state of about $13 million tax payer dollars per year.

The smugglers would collect non-redeemable beverage containers purchased outside of Michigan by the millions, crush them, bag them in Michigan redemption bags, and sell them to several stores at a discount in southeast Michigan.

The 10-cent deposit is used to fund environmental cleanup efforts throughout Michigan. In addition to the Ohio-based suspects, several Michigan merchants were in on the scheme as well.

The charges include maintaining a continuing criminal enterprise, a 20-year felony, and fraud, a 5-year felony, the statement said.

The scam mirrored a 1996 episode of Seinfeld called "The Bottle Deposit." Newman and Kramer head to Michigan with a truckload of 5-cent New York cans, hoping to cash in on the difference.

NEWMAN: (peering at bottle label) What is this 'MI, ten cents'?

KRAMER: That's Michigan. In Michigan you get ten cents.

NEWMAN: Ten cents!?

KRAMER: Yeah.

NEWMAN: Wait a minute. You mean you get five cents here, and ten cents
there. You could round up bottles here and run 'em out to Michigan for the
difference.

KRAMER: No, it doesn't work.

NEWMAN: What d'you mean it doesn't work? You get enough bottles
together...

KRAMER: Yeah, you overload your inventory and you blow your margins on
gasoline. Trust me, it doesn't work.

JERRY: (re-entering) Hey, you're not talking that Michigan deposit
bottle scam again, are you?

KRAMER: No, no, I'm off that.

NEWMAN: You tried it?

KRAMER: Oh yeah. Every which way. Couldn't crunch the numbers. It drove me crazy.



OhSoOrdinary

OhSoOrdinary

New York, NY
July 2006

SEP 29, 2007 04:20 PM

Yeah. that was pretty much not funny.

CherryCoke

CherryCoke

Derry, NH
May 2007

SEP 29, 2007 04:39 PM

I never found Seinfeld very funny anyway.

SignalNoise

SignalNoise

USA
February 2004

SEP 29, 2007 04:57 PM

Poor Michigan...

xazapdmytinu

xazapdmytinu

Fort Collins, CO
July 2007

SEP 29, 2007 05:23 PM



okay, so the whole video is crap, but the first part says what I want to say.

PerilousPup

PerilousPup

I'm lost
May 2007

SEP 29, 2007 05:47 PM

Michigan should further utilize the Seinfeld theme by making the 15 offenders pick up trash by the roadside. $500,000 of 10 cent cans??? Did the Ohio plates give them away? Clearly whoever is making the rest of the 12.5 M has a slightly better ring.

luke2917

luke2917

Durango, CO
June 2005

SEP 29, 2007 07:51 PM

well at least they were smart enough to make the numbers work. Apparenly smarter than Kramer.
With Todays high gas prices I applaude them for the enterprise. Too bad they got caught.

shapeshifter23

shapeshifter23

San Francisco, CA
September 2005

SEP 29, 2007 08:01 PM

I made a glitch in posting this, see below for comment.

XamaX_is_Dead

XamaX_is_Dead

La Mesa, CA
March 2007

SEP 29, 2007 08:03 PM

luke2917 said:
well at least they were smart enough to make the numbers work. Apparenly smarter than Kramer.
With Todays high gas prices I applaude them for the enterprise. Too bad they got caught.



they did make it work by using Newman's Mail truck, that way they didn't pay for gasoline. Well at least they made it work in Theory, in actuality, being the show that it is, something happened to screw them up.

shapeshifter23

shapeshifter23

San Francisco, CA
September 2005

SEP 29, 2007 08:09 PM

Well, at first the juvenile or slacker in me went "Hell yeah!" at the scam of defrauding the government of some tax money to beat the system. But after reading

The 10-cent deposit is used to fund environmental cleanup efforts throughout Michigan.


I had to reconsider my self-serving sentiments. I guess I wouldn't object to ripping off 'the system' if I'm skimming off the profit margins of huge corporations. But if the funds I'm reappropriating are intended to be used to finance public efforts for the common good (such as environmental cleanup), I can't feel so good about such a scheme.

pmonkeyEsquire

pmonkeyEsquire

I'm lost
May 2004

SEP 30, 2007 05:37 AM

this sounds like something jack benny and Rochester would do.

Veloxmortis

Veloxmortis

USA
February 2006

SEP 30, 2007 09:35 AM

At least they were recycling.

metricoclock

metricoclock

Minneapolis, MN
June 2005

SEP 30, 2007 06:02 PM

This 10 cent can return is one of the reasons why i like living in Michigan, it's great because when you are strapped for cash and don't have a paycheck for another 5 days you can round up your empties take them to the store and use the money you got back on the deposit to buy more beers!


My first semester in college i held onto all my cans from the semester, and when the semester ended I returned them all and had enough cash to buy new headlights for my Jeep hahahahah




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Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 30, 2007 06:07 PM

So, there isn't a 10 cent fee already figured into the purchase price (tax/fees/whatever) when you purchase a recyclable beverage in MI?

I tend to be skeptical when it comes to any reward program that the government is involved in.

metricoclock

metricoclock

Minneapolis, MN
June 2005

SEP 30, 2007 06:18 PM

TheGringo said:
So, there isn't a 10 cent fee already figured into the purchase price (tax/fees/whatever) when you purchase a recyclable beverage in MI?

I tend to be skeptical when it comes to any reward program that the government is involved in.



It's not factored into the price of the beverage.
The store/clerk at checkout factors it in, well more like the computer/register does

12pk = $1.20
36pk = $3.60
etc

AND it only pertains to pop/soda and beer/wine coolers/etc of that sort.

So you can have a Dasani *sp bottle manufactured and sold by Coke, and a bottle of Coke, same material, same plant. The bottle of water gets no bottle deposit and therefore also no 10 cent return when you recycle it. They have been contemplating putting the the 10 cent deposit on water for a few years since it's high volume of sales in relation to soda/pop

Ohelde

Ohelde

HOPEFUL

Harrison Township, MI

SEP 30, 2007 07:09 PM

i work in sales to grocery stores. two of our stores bought cans directly from ohio and claimed the deposits in their figures. the stores where shut down completely. i guess the stores are facing felony charges.

and go figure now we are facing a shut down.

assholes didnt help any.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

SEP 30, 2007 08:54 PM

metricoclock said:

TheGringo said:
So, there isn't a 10 cent fee already figured into the purchase price (tax/fees/whatever) when you purchase a recyclable beverage in MI?

I tend to be skeptical when it comes to any reward program that the government is involved in.



It's not factored into the price of the beverage.
The store/clerk at checkout factors it in, well more like the computer/register does

12pk = $1.20
36pk = $3.60
etc

AND it only pertains to pop/soda and beer/wine coolers/etc of that sort.

So you can have a Dasani *sp bottle manufactured and sold by Coke, and a bottle of Coke, same material, same plant. The bottle of water gets no bottle deposit and therefore also no 10 cent return when you recycle it. They have been contemplating putting the the 10 cent deposit on water for a few years since it's high volume of sales in relation to soda/pop



I always tried to figure out how those worked, especially when some would go through and some wouldn't. I came to the conclusion that it was a brand name issue.

imclever

imclever

Kent, WA
February 2007

SEP 30, 2007 10:59 PM

Seinfeld was funny?

metricoclock

metricoclock

Minneapolis, MN
June 2005

OCT 01, 2007 12:03 AM

fountainofdreams said:

metricoclock said:

TheGringo said:
So, there isn't a 10 cent fee already figured into the purchase price (tax/fees/whatever) when you purchase a recyclable beverage in MI?

I tend to be skeptical when it comes to any reward program that the government is involved in.



It's not factored into the price of the beverage.
The store/clerk at checkout factors it in, well more like the computer/register does

12pk = $1.20
36pk = $3.60
etc

AND it only pertains to pop/soda and beer/wine coolers/etc of that sort.

So you can have a Dasani *sp bottle manufactured and sold by Coke, and a bottle of Coke, same material, same plant. The bottle of water gets no bottle deposit and therefore also no 10 cent return when you recycle it. They have been contemplating putting the the 10 cent deposit on water for a few years since it's high volume of sales in relation to soda/pop



I always tried to figure out how those worked, especially when some would go through and some wouldn't. I came to the conclusion that it was a brand name issue.




In some instances IT IS a brand issue, the stores that take back cans and bottles only have to take back the same brands as they sell, so for example you get some tasty micro brew beer and try and bring it into a run of the mill super market, unless they sell it there , there is a highly likely chance that when you run it through the machine it will not accept the can/bottle.

Tallboy66

Tallboy66

Chicago, IL
January 2005

OCT 01, 2007 10:18 PM

Wonder how long it took?
The 10 cent deposit is on the lid and on the side and clearly states MI 10 cent.

Too bad, so sad.

obd

obd

Venice, CA
June 2003

OCT 01, 2007 11:47 PM

PerilousPup said:
Michigan should further utilize the Seinfeld theme by making the 15 offenders pick up trash by the roadside. $500,000 of 10 cent cans??? Did the Ohio plates give them away? Clearly whoever is making the rest of the 12.5 M has a slightly better ring.



that or the OSU sweatshirts ...