Federal wildlife managers!? Doesn't that title sound like someone who'd be dedicated to protecting wildlife? So ironic!
Sounds to me that the job that title describes is to manage the wildlife. Now if the title was "Federal Wildlife Protector" or something, maybe you'd be onto something.
Minceir said:
Considering bison actually eat less than what cattle normally do, I can hardly see the point of them culling. when all the cattle are going to end up as, is meat on your table and that generally they would not even share the same Habitat as bison either.
Let's put it this way...the same jokes your Aussie's make about New Zealand are the ones American's make about Wyoming...they value their livestock. The cattle get more land to graze and roam on while the Bison are prisoners in their own homes...
Not that it's the same thing entirely, but in CO a while back there was a call for the culling of deer populations because they were getting too dense. The motion was denied and several years later there was a large outbreak of a brain worm in deer...there was certainly a correlation, I'm not saying it wouldn't have happened if the culling was allowed, but I would say that maybe you should get a degree in wildlife management before you judge.
Although I would say there are much wiser ways to manage it like starsoverTibet suggests, it is one of those situations where it is easier to lock and load than it is to work through the red tape. And who knows, Maybe they tried to find another place for the overly dense population to be moved, but were similarly denied.
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Flawedhero
Suwanee, GA
October 2006
SEP 15, 2007 08:51 PM
madbax said:
I've eaten roasted buffalo meat before... it sucked! Cows are much tastier.
Maybe the person who cooked it was the one doing the sucking.
Buffalo is supposedly leaner and higher in fiber than cow and is also a more tender and flavorful meat. I would suggest you find someone who is a good cook and try it again.
I shot and killed one about 10 years ago........Mmmmm delicious!!! I still have the hide and didn't do it for sport. It was a private herd and they were doing the same thing (culling the herd)......I paid enough so that 20 others could feed in the winter. If it wasn't for hunters and fishermen, there would be a lot less land for wildlife (including Buffalo). This has been going on with deer, elk, turkey........since before I was even born. This is not News.........this is history that someone found and their little hearts feel bad. Some might call me a barbarian, but what I did was more humane than some fast food restaurants do. So Next time you see some little kid eating a happy meal, or a drum stick from KFC.......which is worse?One shot through the heart and lungs (quick and clean) or mass slaughter where some are just stunned before they are killed by machines.
madbax said:
I've eaten roasted buffalo meat before... it sucked! Cows are much tastier.
Maybe the person who cooked it was the one doing the sucking.
Buffalo is supposedly leaner and higher in fiber than cow and is also a more tender and flavorful meat. I would suggest you find someone who is a good cook and try it again.
You type a lot of maybes and supposes and dare to make suggestions when I post based on experience. Bison meat is terrible. Go eat that crap all you want. I had burnt steaks that were much better.
I gotta chime in on the Bison meat being tasty. It's not beef, it's not pork, and you can't cook it like you cook them. It is a low fat meat and needs a little help too keep it from being too dry.
On the bright side, you can get it direct from farms and from specialty butchers for a comparable price to beef (and much less than some of the obnoxiously priced beef and other meats in the organic grocery chains).
It also hasn't got the massive amounts of pathogens that those other meats do. As a result, it makes for an amazingly tasty and healthy rare steak.
My personal recipe for a good bison steak is to marinate it in olive oil and spices for about a day before grilling it over chunks of soaked hickory. Mmmm, tasty!
Now, about the killings...
Bison are too easy to kill. It isn't about the sport of killing one, it's about having done it. Not my bag, personally, but if the herd needs to be culled and the process of doing so can generate funds to support the operation of managing the herd, then it is about as good of a solution as any. My personal preference would be to just ship the herd off to a slaughter house and sell the meat for a profit.
With for profit Bison farms scattered across the country (which is where I get my meat), the need to maintain a large group for genetic protection isn't such a critical need anymore. So maintaining a large herd vs. a medium or small hard isn't really needed for any particular reason.
I agree with bardsatyr. If farming Bison is a profitable business, why not help some of the local cattle farmers convert from cattle to bison farming. Surely the 700 Bison they plan to kill could be better managed that way than through a cull?
rumpsummoner said:
The Bush administration has severely cut the funding that allowed such programs to exist.
Is there any problem in the USA that can not, in some way, be blamed on the Bush administration?
adammanski said:
Wow, what LA hippie rag did this causehead read and get all fired up? Dude, we got the Bison issue under control out here in the west. It's better to have a health and genetically diverse population that is manageable than starving, sick excuses to bison running around. Hell, if they looke dlike that they could live in LA! Nagga Nooch!
Amen, Sodak brother. Seriously folks, the buffalo are fine; it's all under control.
madbax said:
I've eaten roasted buffalo meat before... it sucked! Cows are much tastier.
Maybe the person who cooked it was the one doing the sucking.
Buffalo is supposedly leaner and higher in fiber than cow and is also a more tender and flavorful meat. I would suggest you find someone who is a good cook and try it again.
You type a lot of maybes and supposes and dare to make suggestions when I post based on experience. Bison meat is terrible. Go eat that crap all you want. I had burnt steaks that were much better.
Touchy, touchy...
Based on my experience, with a chef who knows what they're doing, a bison steak is as good or better than any beef steak I've ever eaten. It's also measurably healthier.
velvetpixel said:
I say let the hunters at em BUT every Bison gets a "protector" with a gun who gets to shoot at the hunters!
Come on make it a sport that takes some balls to play.
Is there really no place on the entire earth that can take a few hundred free Bison?
Oh and Buffalo burgers are tasty but can be dry if not made right.
Wouldn't that sort of be like hiring someone with a machete to defend your lawn against the lawnmower? Wildlife management isn't pretty, but if there's only so much food to go around, and you don't want one species to starve others to death, you have to make some tough choices about what to do next.
As for relocating the bison, that sounds incredibly time- and labor-intensive, not to mention expensive as hell. And despite what it looks like from the air, the Midwest isn't full of untamed grazing land. Damn near every inch of it is owned and has herds grazing on it already.
That being said, I've got enough room in my garage freezer for about half a bison, if anyone wants to go in on one with me. I'll even help dress it.
rumpsummoner said:
The Bush administration has severely cut the funding that allowed such programs to exist. The options have become: a) let the animals starve and freeze to death in the winter naturally, slowly, and painfully because the state can't afford to feed them anymore or b) thin the herd by allowing them to be hunted unnaturally but quickly. If it were up to me and I had a choice on how I had to die I would take being hunted over starving to death any day.
Option c) never, ever, ever allow for a fucked up administration like the current one to be in power again. Cull the herd as needed for now, then get money for the programs in the future after choosing better politicians.
Yeah, I never understood the "take them off the endangered list so we can kill them again" mentality. I'd just as soon see them stay on the list and remain protected.
I live less than five miles from a Bison ranch. Why not sell those doomed to die to other prospective ranchers? Unfortunately nothing is done in America without the dollar behind it. Even if they sold the animals for very cheap, the Wildlife department would get something out of the deal, and so would the prospective ranchers...
velvetpixel said:
I say let the hunters at em BUT every Bison gets a "protector" with a gun who gets to shoot at the hunters!
Come on make it a sport that takes some balls to play.
Is there really no place on the entire earth that can take a few hundred free Bison?
Oh and Buffalo burgers are tasty but can be dry if not made right.
Wouldn't that sort of be like hiring someone with a machete to defend your lawn against the lawnmower? Wildlife management isn't pretty, but if there's only so much food to go around, and you don't want one species to starve others to death, you have to make some tough choices about what to do next.
As for relocating the bison, that sounds incredibly time- and labor-intensive, not to mention expensive as hell. And despite what it looks like from the air, the Midwest isn't full of untamed grazing land. Damn near every inch of it is owned and has herds grazing on it already.
That being said, I've got enough room in my garage freezer for about half a bison, if anyone wants to go in on one with me. I'll even help dress it.
All I'm saying is make it a little more sporting for the hunters. Just shooting at a couch is for pussies. Now if that couch shot back that makes it a whole lot more interesting!
NoPantsDave
Cincinnati, OH
OLD SKOOL
SEP 15, 2007 08:37 PM