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michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

AUG 31, 2007 04:48 AM

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

Brigette said:
Another fact is that you cast judgment on the girl who got pregnant 4 times before she turned 21, so we didn't have to make an assumption about you... you clearly stated your contempt for that teenage slut.




In a nutshell, yes... I spoke specifically about how irresponsible it would be for a 21 year old female to have already have 4 different babies from 4 different daddies... I think it's just plain disgusting. That's my opinion. If you don't like, I hope you can still live a fulfilling life without letting your distaste for my opinions devour your will to survive.

Oh... but if it makes any of you feel better, you can feel free to use my opinion of this slut to make your claim for more affordable and accessible abortions. It's a whole lot easier than promoting some fucking self-respect.



You say "this slut" as though she's an actual person. She's not, she's a caricature, just as, apparently, you are. Are there 21 year olds with four children by four different men out there, sure. Are they common? No. are they typical in any way that informs this debate. No. Is this the exactly the kind of pathetic strawman a bitter, judgmental emotional cripple would make to lash out at an unfair universe?

I'll let you decide.



I've decided... and my decision is...

You must be talking about someone else... I couldn't possible be a bitter, judgemental emotional cripple who makes pathetic strawman to lash out at an unfair universe.

My life has been a great life, and therefore I am nothing like the sad sad individual you referenced.

So... it makes me wonder... who were you talking about?

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

AUG 31, 2007 04:51 AM

DevilsReject said:
i agree with the person that said Nationalism in this nation is dead.

It shows it's head in the posts here.

We are one Nation, yet you have people that "don't want to pay for anyone else's stuff". Yet my siblings and my friends go off to fight a war for our country. People are willing to give their life for this country, and have in the past, to great extent, yet you have people now a days that don't want to have to pay a few extra dollars out of their paycheck to care for their fellow Americans, they want everything to themselves.

I rarely ever use doctors. I actually hate them, so i don't go to them unless i absolutely have to. But i still don't have a problem paying a few extra dollars a year to make sure that the people i share this nation with are healthy. I'd much rather have my money go towards that then foreign aid, or to rebuild a country that could really care less about us.

We're Americans, we should be proud to be that, and we should take care of one another without bitching about it.




I actually agree with just about everything you said. I'm just not sure how socialized medicine could possibly work... I'm not talking about the idea of healthcare for all... I'm talking about the actual mechanism. What are you thoughts?

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

AUG 31, 2007 04:53 AM

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

TheFuckOffKid said:




I actually didn't plan on focusing so much on the "out of our control" quote... I simply disputed it when I read it... and then came the hatred... like I was in ignorant naive little man deserving of ridicule... simply because I strongly disagreed with one statement that someone made...



You said that already. So let's move on, yes?



Yes... it would be nice to move on... and I guess I'd be able to stop repeating myself if some folks here (not necessarily you) would actually take the time to read what I've written IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DEBATE... for me, copying and pasting simply saves me the time of explaining myself over and over again to people who've already written me off as a moron...

It's a shame... I'm trying to be respectful, the amount of vitriol in this conversation almost makes it a waste of time...



Move. On.



Oh... I'm sorry... am I bugging you?



Well, the fact that you're expressing yourself as though you learned to write by watching the CNN crawl is certainly bugging me.



Wah!



It's not exactly keeping me up at night, but really, you're not e. e. cummings; try some basic grammar and syntax and maybe people will be able to understand you.



I think folks understand me just fine... and if my writing style bothers you... then... um... don't read it.

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

AUG 31, 2007 06:36 AM

michael9000000 said:

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:
TheFuckOffKid said:

Move. On.



Oh... I'm sorry... am I bugging you?



Well, the fact that you're expressing yourself as though you learned to write by watching the CNN crawl is certainly bugging me.



Wah!



It's not exactly keeping me up at night, but really, you're not e. e. cummings; try some basic grammar and syntax and maybe people will be able to understand you.





I think folks understand me just fine... and if my writing style bothers you... then... um... don't read it.



Sage advice.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

AUG 31, 2007 07:32 AM

michael9000000 said:

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

Brigette said:
Another fact is that you cast judgment on the girl who got pregnant 4 times before she turned 21, so we didn't have to make an assumption about you... you clearly stated your contempt for that teenage slut.




In a nutshell, yes... I spoke specifically about how irresponsible it would be for a 21 year old female to have already have 4 different babies from 4 different daddies... I think it's just plain disgusting. That's my opinion. If you don't like, I hope you can still live a fulfilling life without letting your distaste for my opinions devour your will to survive.

Oh... but if it makes any of you feel better, you can feel free to use my opinion of this slut to make your claim for more affordable and accessible abortions. It's a whole lot easier than promoting some fucking self-respect.



You say "this slut" as though she's an actual person. She's not, she's a caricature, just as, apparently, you are. Are there 21 year olds with four children by four different men out there, sure. Are they common? No. are they typical in any way that informs this debate. No. Is this the exactly the kind of pathetic strawman a bitter, judgmental emotional cripple would make to lash out at an unfair universe?

I'll let you decide.



I've decided... and my decision is...

You must be talking about someone else... I couldn't possible be a bitter, judgemental emotional cripple who makes pathetic strawman to lash out at an unfair universe.

My life has been a great life, and therefore I am nothing like the sad sad individual you referenced.

So... it makes me wonder... who were you talking about?



Dunno, if you're so contented why the venomous, misogynistic tirade about women who don't really exist?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Brigette

Brigette

Winnipeg, MB
February 2007

AUG 31, 2007 09:04 AM

michael9000000 said:

Brigette said:
Well it's quite apparent that as well as being an extraordinarily lucky man, you are also a troll.

I've found nothing worth responding to in your responses to me, as they failed to make any kind of constructive statements.




Uh... actually, you did find reason to respond to my opinions... one more than two occasions... you don't remember that?



Actually, you're quite wrong, yet again. I did not respond to "your responses to me", such as this one:

michael9000000 said:
In a nutshell, yes... I spoke specifically about how irresponsible it would be for a 21 year old female to have already have 4 different babies from 4 different daddies... I think it's just plain disgusting. That's my opinion. If you don't like, I hope you can still live a fulfilling life without letting your distaste for my opinions devour your will to survive.

Oh... but if it makes any of you feel better, you can feel free to use my opinion of this slut to make your claim for more affordable and accessible abortions. It's a whole lot easier than promoting some fucking self-respect.



and also this one:

michael9000000 said:
So maybe your hostility and hatred will improve your luck, if not your entire life?

Or maybe I should spend my spare time barking mad at people who are even luckier than me. That sure would accomplish a lot, wouldn't it?



Perhaps your nitpicking at others is simply a cover for your lack of ability to intelligently and rationally contribute to this discussion.

Brigette

Brigette

Winnipeg, MB
February 2007

AUG 31, 2007 09:13 AM

DevilsReject said:
i agree with the person that said Nationalism in this nation is dead.

It shows it's head in the posts here.

We are one Nation, yet you have people that "don't want to pay for anyone else's stuff". Yet my siblings and my friends go off to fight a war for our country. People are willing to give their life for this country, and have in the past, to great extent, yet you have people now a days that don't want to have to pay a few extra dollars out of their paycheck to care for their fellow Americans, they want everything to themselves.

I rarely ever use doctors. I actually hate them, so i don't go to them unless i absolutely have to. But i still don't have a problem paying a few extra dollars a year to make sure that the people i share this nation with are healthy. I'd much rather have my money go towards that then foreign aid, or to rebuild a country that could really care less about us.

We're Americans, we should be proud to be that, and we should take care of one another without bitching about it.



On top of the whole "we should take care of one another without bitching about it", we should feel extremely lucky to even have the opportunity for universal healthcare. Not every country is so fortunate.

I'm just stunned that's there's an opposition to this. It's a benefit not a punishment!

michael9000000 said:
I actually agree with just about everything you said. I'm just not sure how socialized medicine could possibly work... I'm not talking about the idea of healthcare for all... I'm talking about the actual mechanism. What are you thoughts?



I don't see why you're unsure it could work. Universal health care is working currently in Canada, most of Europe, a good part of South America, Australia, etc.

Yes, it's an extremely complex program, but the United States has a lot of examples to follow. The US government is actually in a better place than most as they can study the other plans and tweak any current problems before it's implemented.


michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

AUG 31, 2007 03:05 PM

Brigette said:

michael9000000 said:

Brigette said:
Well it's quite apparent that as well as being an extraordinarily lucky man, you are also a troll.

I've found nothing worth responding to in your responses to me, as they failed to make any kind of constructive statements.




Uh... actually, you did find reason to respond to my opinions... one more than two occasions... you don't remember that?



Actually, you're quite wrong, yet again. I did not respond to "your responses to me", such as this one:

michael9000000 said:
In a nutshell, yes... I spoke specifically about how irresponsible it would be for a 21 year old female to have already have 4 different babies from 4 different daddies... I think it's just plain disgusting. That's my opinion. If you don't like, I hope you can still live a fulfilling life without letting your distaste for my opinions devour your will to survive.

Oh... but if it makes any of you feel better, you can feel free to use my opinion of this slut to make your claim for more affordable and accessible abortions. It's a whole lot easier than promoting some fucking self-respect.



and also this one:

michael9000000 said:
So maybe your hostility and hatred will improve your luck, if not your entire life?

Or maybe I should spend my spare time barking mad at people who are even luckier than me. That sure would accomplish a lot, wouldn't it?



Perhaps your nitpicking at others is simply a cover for your lack of ability to intelligently and rationally contribute to this discussion.




Actually, maybe you should just wait until your blood pressure lowers to a safe level... and then actually read what I've written before you criticize...

First of all, I didn't initiate any conversation with you... you took upon yourself to throw some criticism my way... and if that made you feel better, then I wish you better health in the future.

I've only spoken about you responding to my opinions... not this nonsense...

"I did not respond to 'your responses to me'" - A quote from you... utter crap

I've contributed quite soundly... if you look back to my original statement, you'll see that I was simply saying that a woman cannot get pregnant if she practices abstinence, except in cases of incest, rape, and IMMACULATE FUCKING CONCEPTION!

That's when the crazy fuckers came out and tried to prove me wrong. Of course, it's absolutely impossible to do, but crazy is crazy, and out came the madness...

You jumped in late in the game and not adequately prepared. You can continue to try to deflate me, but I'll only bring you further frustration. On the other hand, you can put on big girl shoes and find something better to do with your time. The choice is yours.


michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

AUG 31, 2007 03:16 PM

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

Brigette said:
Another fact is that you cast judgment on the girl who got pregnant 4 times before she turned 21, so we didn't have to make an assumption about you... you clearly stated your contempt for that teenage slut.




In a nutshell, yes... I spoke specifically about how irresponsible it would be for a 21 year old female to have already have 4 different babies from 4 different daddies... I think it's just plain disgusting. That's my opinion. If you don't like, I hope you can still live a fulfilling life without letting your distaste for my opinions devour your will to survive.

Oh... but if it makes any of you feel better, you can feel free to use my opinion of this slut to make your claim for more affordable and accessible abortions. It's a whole lot easier than promoting some fucking self-respect.



You say "this slut" as though she's an actual person. She's not, she's a caricature, just as, apparently, you are. Are there 21 year olds with four children by four different men out there, sure. Are they common? No. are they typical in any way that informs this debate. No. Is this the exactly the kind of pathetic strawman a bitter, judgmental emotional cripple would make to lash out at an unfair universe?

I'll let you decide.



I've decided... and my decision is...

You must be talking about someone else... I couldn't possible be a bitter, judgemental emotional cripple who makes pathetic strawman to lash out at an unfair universe.

My life has been a great life, and therefore I am nothing like the sad sad individual you referenced.

So... it makes me wonder... who were you talking about?



Dunno, if you're so contented why the venomous, misogynistic tirade about women who don't really exist?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.



Because those type of women do exist... and there are fellas out there who are just as irresponsible and grotesque... and if you've never met any Americans who are that disgraceful, then I need to move to your part of the country...

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

AUG 31, 2007 03:22 PM

Brigette said:

DevilsReject said:
i agree with the person that said Nationalism in this nation is dead.

It shows it's head in the posts here.

We are one Nation, yet you have people that "don't want to pay for anyone else's stuff". Yet my siblings and my friends go off to fight a war for our country. People are willing to give their life for this country, and have in the past, to great extent, yet you have people now a days that don't want to have to pay a few extra dollars out of their paycheck to care for their fellow Americans, they want everything to themselves.

I rarely ever use doctors. I actually hate them, so i don't go to them unless i absolutely have to. But i still don't have a problem paying a few extra dollars a year to make sure that the people i share this nation with are healthy. I'd much rather have my money go towards that then foreign aid, or to rebuild a country that could really care less about us.

We're Americans, we should be proud to be that, and we should take care of one another without bitching about it.



On top of the whole "we should take care of one another without bitching about it", we should feel extremely lucky to even have the opportunity for universal healthcare. Not every country is so fortunate.

I'm just stunned that's there's an opposition to this. It's a benefit not a punishment!

michael9000000 said:
I actually agree with just about everything you said. I'm just not sure how socialized medicine could possibly work... I'm not talking about the idea of healthcare for all... I'm talking about the actual mechanism. What are you thoughts?



I don't see why you're unsure it could work. Universal health care is working currently in Canada, most of Europe, a good part of South America, Australia, etc.

Yes, it's an extremely complex program, but the United States has a lot of examples to follow. The US government is actually in a better place than most as they can study the other plans and tweak any current problems before it's implemented.





Would you trust our government to run a healthcare plan? I have a fair amount of respect for our government structure as an institution, but let's face it... Our elected officials can't be trusted to accomplish anything that important on that grand of a scale. The fact is, Republicans and Democrats are unable to look at any important issue and have any type of rational discussion on what the reality of the situation is. Do we really want these people determining how our healthcare is administered?

Brigette

Brigette

Winnipeg, MB
February 2007

AUG 31, 2007 06:25 PM

I have read every post very carefully and in some cases twice. I was not late in the game; simply your posts were what made me want to reply.

Yet again, you are nitpicking at unimportant aspects of this discussion. Yes, I wrote to some of your previous statements. Your responses to me, however, did not contribute to the topic at hand, so I did not respond directly to you regarding whatever it was that you were trying to say.

Obviously it is you who should wait until you simmer down before continuing because you misread what I wrote and made a rebuttal that didn't even correlate with what I was speaking of.

No one tried to prove to you that successful abstinence is not 100% effective. If a woman chooses abstinence and she is fortunate enough to not become pregnant by rape, then of course it's effective. Rather they were trying to enlighten you of the fact that women should not be punished by having to restrict their sexuality just because they were born with the parts needed to carry children, as well as the fact that a woman can choose to be abstinent yet still become pregnant not of her own choice (by rape).

Your statements may be factually sound, but in reality they serve no purpose. So what abstinence prevents (most) pregnancies? How does that support your opinion that a few of our measly dollars should not be used to create a universal healthcare plan that will insure all American citizens have adequate access to medical and health coverage?

Also, I agree that governments are not inherently trustworthy, but they are employed to serve the country and they generally tend to do that. I would much rather see your government try to implement a great medicare program and make a few mistakes along the way than to simply ignore the whole issue because it's easier that way.

Gringo

Gringo

Liberty Lake, WA
May 2006

AUG 31, 2007 07:01 PM

michael9000000 said:
First of all, I didn't initiate any conversation with you... you took upon yourself to throw some criticism my way... and if that made you feel better, then I wish you better health in the future.


Are you new to forums/boards? That's the nature of them.

Nothing you type is personal and closed to outside comment unless you send it as a...well.....private message.

Get used to it.

Carry on with your dildo-fest.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 01, 2007 12:53 AM

michael9000000 said:

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

Brigette said:
Another fact is that you cast judgment on the girl who got pregnant 4 times before she turned 21, so we didn't have to make an assumption about you... you clearly stated your contempt for that teenage slut.




In a nutshell, yes... I spoke specifically about how irresponsible it would be for a 21 year old female to have already have 4 different babies from 4 different daddies... I think it's just plain disgusting. That's my opinion. If you don't like, I hope you can still live a fulfilling life without letting your distaste for my opinions devour your will to survive.

Oh... but if it makes any of you feel better, you can feel free to use my opinion of this slut to make your claim for more affordable and accessible abortions. It's a whole lot easier than promoting some fucking self-respect.



You say "this slut" as though she's an actual person. She's not, she's a caricature, just as, apparently, you are. Are there 21 year olds with four children by four different men out there, sure. Are they common? No. are they typical in any way that informs this debate. No. Is this the exactly the kind of pathetic strawman a bitter, judgmental emotional cripple would make to lash out at an unfair universe?

I'll let you decide.



I've decided... and my decision is...

You must be talking about someone else... I couldn't possible be a bitter, judgemental emotional cripple who makes pathetic strawman to lash out at an unfair universe.

My life has been a great life, and therefore I am nothing like the sad sad individual you referenced.

So... it makes me wonder... who were you talking about?



Dunno, if you're so contented why the venomous, misogynistic tirade about women who don't really exist?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.



Because those type of women do exist... and there are fellas out there who are just as irresponsible and grotesque... and if you've never met any Americans who are that disgraceful, then I need to move to your part of the country...



You've never met any either. In fact I'm pretty confident saying that you're jerking off within a healthy walk from where you were born. They are an invention, as far as your personal experience goes, just as your punctuation is. And even if you have met any, that has fuck all to do with prenatal health care, birth control or abortion, any more than Scott Petersen has to do with the issues of contemporary fatherhood. You are generalizing from the most extreme case. That is not valid, cogent or honest.

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

SEP 01, 2007 04:29 AM

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:

reprobate said:

michael9000000 said:
Brigette said:
Another fact is that you cast judgment on the girl who got pregnant 4 times before she turned 21, so we didn't have to make an assumption about you... you clearly stated your contempt for that teenage slut.




In a nutshell, yes... I spoke specifically about how irresponsible it would be for a 21 year old female to have already have 4 different babies from 4 different daddies... I think it's just plain disgusting. That's my opinion. If you don't like, I hope you can still live a fulfilling life without letting your distaste for my opinions devour your will to survive.

Oh... but if it makes any of you feel better, you can feel free to use my opinion of this slut to make your claim for more affordable and accessible abortions. It's a whole lot easier than promoting some fucking self-respect.



You say "this slut" as though she's an actual person. She's not, she's a caricature, just as, apparently, you are. Are there 21 year olds with four children by four different men out there, sure. Are they common? No. are they typical in any way that informs this debate. No. Is this the exactly the kind of pathetic strawman a bitter, judgmental emotional cripple would make to lash out at an unfair universe?

I'll let you decide.



I've decided... and my decision is...

You must be talking about someone else... I couldn't possible be a bitter, judgemental emotional cripple who makes pathetic strawman to lash out at an unfair universe.

My life has been a great life, and therefore I am nothing like the sad sad individual you referenced.

So... it makes me wonder... who were you talking about?



Dunno, if you're so contented why the venomous, misogynistic tirade about women who don't really exist?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.



Because those type of women do exist... and there are fellas out there who are just as irresponsible and grotesque... and if you've never met any Americans who are that disgraceful, then I need to move to your part of the country...



You've never met any either. In fact I'm pretty confident saying that you're jerking off within a healthy walk from where you were born. They are an invention, as far as your personal experience goes, just as your punctuation is. And even if you have met any, that has fuck all to do with prenatal health care, birth control or abortion, any more than Scott Petersen has to do with the issues of contemporary fatherhood. You are generalizing from the most extreme case. That is not valid, cogent or honest.

I have met two women in my life who had 4 children by 4 different daddies each, both by the time they were 21. I know it's true... I've seen it... and I really don't care if you believe it or not. You can assume that I'm lying, and I can assume that you were raised like veal. It doesn't matter either way, cuz we would both be wrong.

I just can't believe that you still get wound up about my punctuation. I'll say it again... if you don't like my writing style, then don't read what I'm writing.

michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

SEP 01, 2007 04:32 AM

TheGringo said:

michael9000000 said:
First of all, I didn't initiate any conversation with you... you took upon yourself to throw some criticism my way... and if that made you feel better, then I wish you better health in the future.


Are you new to forums/boards? That's the nature of them.

Nothing you type is personal and closed to outside comment unless you send it as a...well.....private message.

Get used to it.

Carry on with your dildo-fest.



The quote you posted was actually a direct response to something someone had said to me... a little bit out of context... and really not all the significant. Regardless, I appreciate you trying to clarify the nature of these boards, even though I already knew where I was and what I was doing here. I'm cool.

By the way, the dildo-fest remark was actually really funny.

Gringo

Gringo

Liberty Lake, WA
May 2006

SEP 01, 2007 09:43 AM

michael9000000 said:
By the way, the dildo-fest remark was actually really funny.


I'd rather make jokes in boards/posts than take shit too seriously all the time.

Four out of my five psychiatrists approve of this post.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Georgia, USA

SEP 01, 2007 10:18 AM

michael9000000 said:
I have met two women in my life who had 4 children by 4 different daddies each, both by the time they were 21. I know it's true... I've seen it... and I really don't care if you believe it or not. You can assume that I'm lying, and I can assume that you were raised like veal. It doesn't matter either way, cuz we would both be wrong.



You completely missed the point of what reprobate was saying to you. It doesn't matter if you know five or ten women who have 4 children by 4 different dadies, because it is STILL irrelevant to the issues of birth control or abortion.

pookaa

pookaa

Cleveland, OH
December 2005

SEP 01, 2007 11:10 AM

off topic of the thread but i just watched Sicko last night and have seriously started planning my move to france.....ive always wanted to go but that just helped me get more excited about it..... biggrin

Gringo

Gringo

Liberty Lake, WA
May 2006

SEP 01, 2007 11:19 AM

pookaa said:
off topic of the thread but i just watched Sicko last night and have seriously started planning my move to france.....ive always wanted to go but that just helped me get more excited about it..... biggrin


I think people should be able to move to wherever they would like to, but I hope you are doing some investigative homework on France to see if there are any issues or problems that you might face as an American moving there.

We're not exactly loved all over the globe. frown

kaosmaker666

kaosmaker666

Batesville, AR
April 2006

SEP 02, 2007 08:35 PM

On the part where the author has put in "Health Care is a right and not a Privilege;" since when? I don't remember anything in the US Constitution saying anything about health care. Health Care is like getting a lawyer......you get what you pay for and if you can't pay for one, one will be appointed to you. Same goes for emergency rooms and most medical social programs. You might get lucky and get a good one or even a mediocre one, but if you get a bad one....... a lawyer is what ya need. wink

On the other part concerning contraception........if you are stupid enough to have unprotected sex in this day and age..........you must be a fucking moron!!! It's been what 25 years that they (public health officials from both sides of the aisle) have said to use condoms no matter what? no wonder 1 in 3 people have herpes and AIDS is still spreading like crazy. I like sex just like everyone else.........but even in heat of the moment it takes what 30 seconds to 2 minutes to open up and put on a condom?

When it comes to abortion.......hey this is a woman's choice, but I think is should be discussed with all parties involved and maybe with family members also. This is a tough moral decision that should not be taken lightly. I have never met a woman who was proud of their abortion........but it is still her choice.

Children without health care is a shame.........some of the blame is on the parents especially if their family is above the poverty line and their family's employer has health insurance. I know some Insurance premiums are a bitch to pay.........but if you are willing to sacrifice your child's health for that plasma T.V. or that new I-phone or whatever. I know that if it was me and I had a child living in my home......that child would come first. He/she might not get everything to be trendy and cool, but they would have health, dental, and vision insurance.

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