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michael9000000

michael9000000

New York, NY
July 2007

AUG 31, 2007 05:25 AM

gdarklighter said:

InnocentSid said:
This is news because why?



Because it's, well, new.



Outstanding answer! I wish I had thought of it myself. Thanks for the quick laugh.

Vanessa

Vanessa

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

AUG 31, 2007 05:30 PM

RubberSoul said:

PointBlank said:

FridgeNGaged said:
Wow this is totally out of left field. I mean, the fictional characters he plays in movies always seem so happy-go-lucky. Go figure, I guess you never can tell.



Not to mention the people in this thread who met him in a pizza place and a bookstore and never saw it coming!!



I wonder if his heroin or coke dealer saw it coming.



Hey, drug dealers aren't psychics, mang.


Strobe

Strobe

Anchorage, AK
August 2007

SEP 01, 2007 08:52 AM

Yeah they are. They all know that what they're selling is...

bad.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And could lead to death.



I have absolutely no sympathy for multi-millionaires who suddenly think life is rough. Life is rough for everyone. Bills, taxes, fucking groceries. On top of all of the other problems that everyone else has. Love, pain, depression. Everyone gets these issues, but if a celebrity does it,

"Awwwweee... but he's a good guy."

Doesn't matter. Deal with life, dude.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And if it wasn't a suicide attempt, and was just because of some drug he was on, then I care even less. Drugs are bad, mmkay. Get some help.



Maybe it was just really, really, really kinky sex.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

SEP 01, 2007 09:13 AM

Strobe said:
I have absolutely no sympathy for multi-millionaires who suddenly think life is rough. Life is rough for everyone. Bills, taxes, fucking groceries. On top of all of the other problems that everyone else has. Love, pain, depression. Everyone gets these issues, but if a celebrity does it,

"Awwwweee... but he's a good guy."

Doesn't matter. Deal with life, dude.



You should really try reading the thread before commenting in it.

JohnnyForeigner

JohnnyForeigner

United Kingdom
July 2003

SEP 01, 2007 09:15 AM

Strobe said:
Yeah they are. They all know that what they're selling is...

bad.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And could lead to death.



I have absolutely no sympathy for multi-millionaires who suddenly think life is rough. Life is rough for everyone. Bills, taxes, fucking groceries. On top of all of the other problems that everyone else has. Love, pain, depression. Everyone gets these issues, but if a celebrity does it,

"Awwwweee... but he's a good guy."

Doesn't matter. Deal with life, dude.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And if it wasn't a suicide attempt, and was just because of some drug he was on, then I care even less. Drugs are bad, mmkay. Get some help.



Maybe it was just really, really, really kinky sex.



Yeah! Those stuck up assholes with their "psychiatric problems" and "mental illnesses". They should just pull themselves together whatever

Strobe

Strobe

Anchorage, AK
August 2007

SEP 01, 2007 09:25 AM

Mmmmm hmmmmm... What I was referring to, was him cutting his wrists is either a sign for help or a suicide attempt. Either way, 'wah.'

Read page one, which consisted of "But he's a nice guy."

Read page two, which consisted of "Suicide is bad."

Then posted.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

SEP 01, 2007 09:31 AM

Strobe said:
Mmmmm hmmmmm... What I was referring to, was him cutting his wrists is either a sign for help or a suicide attempt. Either way, 'wah.'

Read page one, which consisted of "But he's a nice guy."

Read page two, which consisted of "Suicide is bad."

Then posted.



Thank you for confirming my suspicion.

Why don't you try reading pages 3 and 4 now?

Strobe

Strobe

Anchorage, AK
August 2007

SEP 01, 2007 09:34 AM

FashionFuneralsaid "Yeah! Those stuck up assholes with their "psychiatric problems" and "mental illnesses". They should just pull themselves together"



What I was saying was, why does it matter more when a celebrity does it? Why does he get sympathy? There are poor people who can not afford to even go to hospitals, and get the help that they need. But where is the sympathy for them? I'm not specifically talking about this incident here, it's a culmination of things that I've seen across various forums recently. Poor people when they kill themselves, or try, it's "Oh well. Blaim the parents." But when a celebrity does it it's special.

But he has money, and has made us all laugh. Let's care.

nobodaddy

nobodaddy

Burlington, VT
August 2003

SEP 01, 2007 09:36 AM

What's with all the money jealousy?

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 01, 2007 09:45 AM

Vanessa said:
Hey, drug dealers aren't psychics, mang.


Pfft. Bullshit.

Both my heroin dealer and my crack dealer can always predict when I'm coming over.

Strobe

Strobe

Anchorage, AK
August 2007

SEP 01, 2007 09:46 AM

It's not jealousy where the money is concerned, it's frustration at where care is placed. Who is deemed important and who isn't.

I don't know if this happened in any one else's high schools, or colleges, or on any one else's military instillations, but if someone tried to kill themselves they got blacklisted and humiliated. And it's bullshit. But Owen Wilson does it, and everyone cares. Caring is not a bad thing, but either be across the board or don't have a bias. I wasn't directed at anyone on this board, I was frustrated in general at the subject. Thanks tho.

nobodaddy

nobodaddy

Burlington, VT
August 2003

SEP 01, 2007 09:50 AM

More people have something to say about it when it's a famous person because more people know who that person is, Einstein.

Strobe

Strobe

Anchorage, AK
August 2007

SEP 01, 2007 10:08 AM

I was talking quality and equality, not quantity. Thanks for paying attention.

BUT, I give. My point here has been overlooked, lost, and ignored. So you win.

I'm sorry another celebrity who isn't currently in the limelight, acted like another celebrity who isn't currently in the limelight.

unfiltrator

unfiltrator

San Francisco, CA
April 2004

SEP 01, 2007 10:13 AM

nobodaddy said:
More people have something to say about it when it's a famous person because more people know who that person is, Einstein.



It goes double if people appreciate that person's contribution to society. If a person makes you laugh, or makes you ready to find someone to love or have sex with, or take on some struggle or competition for some kind of resources, when you were previously having an existential crisis, that person is appreciated. Celebrities, and more importantly the narratives (movies) they participate in are designed to cause appreciation by telling stories about struggles.

Owen makes Hollywood more fun. He makes fun of himself and people who take things too seriously and his audience appreciates his skill at doing that. Now people are hoping that his ability to do so isn't ruined. When Cobain shot himself there was no more Nirvana music. Did you notice that? Why did people like Nirvana? Why did they give a shit?

People will blacklist strangers if they feel the stranger won't contribute anything to them but will none-the-less present a burden. Only people with a specialized interest in helping someone else carry their burdens will typically be available to strangers, and they have their own selfish reasons too. Often they will do it in exchange for sex, or else they do it in exchange for a paycheck. Sometimes for the preservation of their identity group, like family or cultural identity. In other words, if you are a suicide survivor you need to get your wits back first. Then you figure out how to implement this long process of healing for the long haul where you look beyond the immediate need for finding people who care and instead find people who actually do care.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

SEP 01, 2007 10:14 AM

nobodaddy said:
What's with all the money jealousy?


No clue. It's interesting that a lot of people will pontificate on what did or didn't happen with Owen's situation when very little is actually known.

Just shows you the nature of idiots and how their armchair psychology has made their own lives so perfect.

Pudding

Pudding

San Pedro, CA
June 2005

SEP 01, 2007 10:14 AM

FashionFuneral said:

Strobe said:
Yeah they are. They all know that what they're selling is...

bad.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And could lead to death.



I have absolutely no sympathy for multi-millionaires who suddenly think life is rough. Life is rough for everyone. Bills, taxes, fucking groceries. On top of all of the other problems that everyone else has. Love, pain, depression. Everyone gets these issues, but if a celebrity does it,

"Awwwweee... but he's a good guy."

Doesn't matter. Deal with life, dude.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And if it wasn't a suicide attempt, and was just because of some drug he was on, then I care even less. Drugs are bad, mmkay. Get some help.



Maybe it was just really, really, really kinky sex.



Yeah! Those stuck up assholes with their "psychiatric problems" and "mental illnesses". They should just pull themselves together whatever



you made my morning. thank you.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

SEP 01, 2007 07:11 PM

Pudding said:

FashionFuneral said:

Strobe said:
Yeah they are. They all know that what they're selling is...

bad.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And could lead to death.



I have absolutely no sympathy for multi-millionaires who suddenly think life is rough. Life is rough for everyone. Bills, taxes, fucking groceries. On top of all of the other problems that everyone else has. Love, pain, depression. Everyone gets these issues, but if a celebrity does it,

"Awwwweee... but he's a good guy."

Doesn't matter. Deal with life, dude.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And if it wasn't a suicide attempt, and was just because of some drug he was on, then I care even less. Drugs are bad, mmkay. Get some help.



Maybe it was just really, really, really kinky sex.



Yeah! Those stuck up assholes with their "psychiatric problems" and "mental illnesses". They should just pull themselves together whatever



you made my morning. thank you.



+1

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

SEP 01, 2007 09:38 PM

Strobe said:
Yeah they are. They all know that what they're selling is...

bad.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And could lead to death.



I have absolutely no sympathy for multi-millionaires who suddenly think life is rough. Life is rough for everyone. Bills, taxes, fucking groceries. On top of all of the other problems that everyone else has. Love, pain, depression. Everyone gets these issues, but if a celebrity does it,

"Awwwweee... but he's a good guy."

Doesn't matter. Deal with life, dude.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And if it wasn't a suicide attempt, and was just because of some drug he was on, then I care even less. Drugs are bad, mmkay. Get some help.



Maybe it was just really, really, really kinky sex.



This is quite possibly the most asinine thing I have ever read...congratulations douchebag.

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

SEP 01, 2007 09:47 PM

Strobe said:

What I was saying was, why does it matter more when a celebrity does it? Why does he get sympathy?



Who the fuck said that it matters more when a celebrity has a breakdown? The reason that Owen Wilson has a thread about this and the average person whose life is affected by such an event does not is because Owen Wilson is a famous actor. Whether or not we should view celebrity in the way that we do is completely fucking irrelevant to the topic at hand.


There are poor people who can not afford to even go to hospitals, and get the help that they need. But where is the sympathy for them?



This is a blatant logical fallacy. Who are you to assume that the individuals posting in this thread do not have sympathy or even empathy for "regular" people who have such problems? My guess would be that the people posting in this thread very likely have shared similar sentiments about a "regular" person.


I'm not specifically talking about this incident here, it's a culmination of things that I've seen across various forums recently. Poor people when they kill themselves, or try, it's "Oh well. Blaim the parents." But when a celebrity does it it's special.



Your poor spelling and grammar aside; what exactly are you getting at here? Do you have any citations that back up this ridiculous assertion? Because I am guessing that you're pulling this out of your ass.


But he has money, and has made us all laugh. Let's care.



Pure douchebaggery...well played.

Rafi

Rafi

Santa Monica, CA
January 2003

SEP 01, 2007 10:24 PM

Strobe said:

FashionFuneralsaid "Yeah! Those stuck up assholes with their "psychiatric problems" and "mental illnesses". They should just pull themselves together"



What I was saying was, why does it matter more when a celebrity does it? Why does he get sympathy? There are poor people who can not afford to even go to hospitals, and get the help that they need. But where is the sympathy for them? I'm not specifically talking about this incident here, it's a culmination of things that I've seen across various forums recently. Poor people when they kill themselves, or try, it's "Oh well. Blaim the parents." But when a celebrity does it it's special.

But he has money, and has made us all laugh. Let's care.




Rafi said:
Do you really expect the attempted suicide (if that is in fact what this was) of every depressed or disturbed individual in this country to receive as much media attention as that of a well-known writer/actor? Obviously, I have no disagreement that Wilson's actions are no 'better' or 'worse' than anyone else who does the same; but I do disagree that taking notice of it and wishing him well implies that anyone here views Wilson as more deserving of sympathy than anyone else in his position.

In this particular community, for example, if any active member posted about a friend or family member who was hospitalized for attempting suicide, I would fully expect comparable words of condolence from other members in response




Yeah, clearly having financial security is a fix-all for any problems involving severe depression and suicidal thoughts. It has nothing to do with things like genetic predisposition, neurological imbalances, or intense psychological factors like distorted thinking - as long as someone has some extra cash in the bank they ought to be A-okay! whatever



It's good and fun for you that you that you've tried to establish an anti-establishment position for yourself by going against popular sentiment in this thread. But if you want some actual longevity to your statements rather than just personal satisfaction, you should probably try to base them in some semblance of reality, instead of just the most convenient contrary position that you think you could fill up space arguing.

DannyDMc

DannyDMc

Fargo, ND
July 2003

SEP 01, 2007 11:07 PM

Strobe said:
I was talking quality and equality, not quantity. Thanks for paying attention.

BUT, I give. My point here has been overlooked, lost, and ignored. So you win.

I'm sorry another celebrity who isn't currently in the limelight, acted like another celebrity who isn't currently in the limelight.



No, I think we all understood you're point quite well: "Why should we feel sorry for him; he's got money. LOTS of people try to kill themselves; blah blah blah"

As a matter of fact, I usually have some sympathy for people who try to hurt themselves; whether they be rich or poor. I lost an Uncle this way when I was a kid and I can still see the hole he's left in the lives of people who knew him; My Father still misses him to this day. It was a travesty.
When I was teaching, I often had to deal with kids who were suicidal for one reason or another. Even though I couldn't always put myself in their shoes, I could still feel some sympathy for the pain they were going through (exasperation, too, I'll be honest; there was more than a little of that as well. I'm hardly a saint)
The fact of the matter is, is that when a person is willing to contemplate suicide, they're going through a great deal of personal pain (be it physical or emotional). To us, the outside observer, it may very well seem that they have a great life; family, friends, money, or what ever; but to the person themselves, they're in a living hell.
Now, I for one don't find it the least bit entertaining to try to kick someone then they're down, or to become the Nelson of the world and point, going, "Ha-HA" when someone's in trouble. (well...unless said person really managed to hurt me in the past; and I'm not even sure about then); so I really don't understand people who would make jokes about the situation or try to berate those who are showing some basic human sympathy.

To go back to something you said earlier; yes, the world does suck, life is tough. A wiseman once said "To live is to suffer". But I don't see how someone having money or being a celeberty makes them any less human or makes them deserve to be spoken about crassly.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

SEP 02, 2007 06:13 PM

Strobe said:

I don't know if this happened in any one else's high schools, or colleges, or on any one else's military instillations, but if someone tried to kill themselves they got blacklisted and humiliated. And it's bullshit. But Owen Wilson does it, and everyone cares..


And you're attacking people for caring, instead of those who humiliate and ostracize. That's why you're fucked up.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

SEP 02, 2007 06:28 PM

PointBlank said:

Strobe said:

I don't know if this happened in any one else's high schools, or colleges, or on any one else's military instillations, but if someone tried to kill themselves they got blacklisted and humiliated. And it's bullshit. But Owen Wilson does it, and everyone cares..


And you're attacking people for caring, instead of those who humiliate and ostracize. That's why you're fucked up.



And I'd like to think that a lot of the people around here are beyond high school and OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT SO AND SO DID OMG THEY ARE SO MESSED UP I BET HE DID IT CUZ HIS GIRLFRIEND SLEPT WITH THE QUARTERBACK LOL

As far as military installations go, most people I know in the military would be more likely to try their hardest to help their comrades than in average society.

Adelayde

Adelayde

Ellicott City, MD
September 2004

SEP 03, 2007 09:51 AM

i hope he gets the help he need.
i <3 owen.

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

SEP 03, 2007 10:08 AM

Strobe said:

FashionFuneralsaid "Yeah! Those stuck up assholes with their "psychiatric problems" and "mental illnesses". They should just pull themselves together"



What I was saying was, why does it matter more when a celebrity does it? Why does he get sympathy? There are poor people who can not afford to even go to hospitals, and get the help that they need. But where is the sympathy for them? I'm not specifically talking about this incident here, it's a culmination of things that I've seen across various forums recently. Poor people when they kill themselves, or try, it's "Oh well. Blaim the parents." But when a celebrity does it it's special.

But he has money, and has made us all laugh. Let's care.



You're kind of an asshole. I'm sure most of us WOULD care if there were more stories of regular folks killing themselves, but there aren't because they're NOT FUCKING FAMOUS. How hard is that to understand?

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