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apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

AUG 17, 2007 07:10 PM

The fact that BitchPHD sees no difference between showing panties and implying a dangerous, backalley medical procedure baffles my mind.

imzadi1974

imzadi1974

Queen City, TX
May 2007

AUG 17, 2007 09:03 PM

It's beyond sick that there is a wire hanger on this billboard...That combined with the words is just one more subliminal message our world does NOT need. The billdoard itself would not be so wrong if the hanger were to be removed...but the two together...SICK and TWISTED! Does the corporation not see or do they just 'choose' NOT to acknowledge the damage done by back-alley abortionists using hangers and other cruel and unsanitary 'utensils'..Mind boggling, that's all...Choice and desperation are two very different things, but the back-alley bastards do more damage than they prevent. Women DIE from these procedures, jsut as their unborn babies do...most of which would at the very least have a chance at a real life with a loving family if these unwanted childre nwere given the chance at life via adoption. Adoption is rising in America, Adoption gives the chance of family living and family values to not only the children but to the people who aren't able to reproduced like rabbits with no intention to become parents. ABORTION is NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!! It's DEATH, in your FACE DEATH...and murder...no matter how you put it, a child is killed when it's over. Even rape babies get adopted!

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

AUG 17, 2007 09:46 PM

The only concern I would have about this billboard would be how to explain it to my kids should they ask... they aren't quite old enough to know what it means/is implying, etc.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

AUG 17, 2007 10:17 PM

imzadi1974 said:
It's beyond sick that there is a wire hanger on this billboard...That combined with the words is just one more subliminal message our world does NOT need. The billdoard itself would not be so wrong if the hanger were to be removed...but the two together...SICK and TWISTED! Does the corporation not see or do they just 'choose' NOT to acknowledge the damage done by back-alley abortionists using hangers and other cruel and unsanitary 'utensils'..



Do you not see that the use of a coathanger as a piece of reproductive rights imagery makes that very point -- that weakening women's reproductive rights increases the chances of real danger to women.

cowboybert

cowboybert

West Palm Beach, FL
September 2006

AUG 17, 2007 10:18 PM

Wren said:
There is a concrete company I always pass by when I drive from Minnesota to Wisconsin. Half of their sign is their business info and the other half says "ABORTION. A baby can LIVE without it." This billboard is like the polar opposite of that sign. Both are hilarious.



And I think that the motivation for the storage people may be the same: they have rented a sign to promote their business and they want to donate half the board to make a statement about something they feel strongly about.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

AUG 17, 2007 10:29 PM

cowboybert said:

Wren said:
There is a concrete company I always pass by when I drive from Minnesota to Wisconsin. Half of their sign is their business info and the other half says "ABORTION. A baby can LIVE without it." This billboard is like the polar opposite of that sign. Both are hilarious.



And I think that the motivation for the storage people may be the same: they have rented a sign to promote their business and they want to donate half the board to make a statement about something they feel strongly about.



Well, we can all speculate wildly on their motivation all we like. But we're talking about liberal New York city and a company that uses the following kind of sloganeering.

Uncognitive said:
This is the same company that ran ads saying "Your closet's so narrow it makes Cheney look liberal" and "Your closet's scarier than Bush's agenda".


That was posted on the previous page in this thread.

PRockGirlScout

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR
October 2005

AUG 17, 2007 11:21 PM

Word, PhD.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

AUG 17, 2007 11:38 PM

apesamongus said:
The fact that BitchPHD sees no difference between showing panties and implying a dangerous, backalley medical procedure baffles my mind.



I'm not sure if we're on the same page here, but what baffles me most about the story as presented is that it's highly likely that many of those who would object to the coathanger picture would be the same ones objecting to the sexualised ads as degrading social morality.

The Puritan Force is strong in those ones.

Bitch_PhD

Bitch_PhD

I'm lost
February 2007

AUG 18, 2007 10:00 AM

apesamongus said:
The fact that BitchPHD sees no difference between showing panties and implying a dangerous, backalley medical procedure baffles my mind.



What the fuck are you even talking about?!?

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

AUG 18, 2007 11:28 AM

dminnisher411 said:
Yes, I work in marketing and PR. The purpose of going beyond the normal ad is to leverage the PR value that is created through controversy.


That is one purpose. But it does not have to be the only purpose. Also, there are other ways to "leverage the PR value that is created through controversy" other than making a political statement.

For example, would anyone on this site be talking about a Manhattan storage company if the ad had not been controversial? Of course not.


So? There's nothing wrong with being successful in marketing or politics when it comes to getting your message out there.

Businesses do not make statements for the purpose of social progress. Businesses make statements in order to embed themselves in society for the purpose of making money. By engaging in dialog with this ad you are treating it is a person rather than an institution.



Honestly, I find it really, really hard to believe that you work in marketing with this insane anti-corporate attitude. Either that, or you're spending too much time believing your own bullshit.

Businesses can, and do make statements for the purpose of social progress. Simply because a for-profit business is out to make a profit does not mean they may not be concerned with other things. Those other things that they may be concerned about can (and very, very often are) reflected in how that company chooses to market themselves. A company can market themselves successfully a billion different ways. How they choose to do so usually has at the very minimum SOME root in how that the people behind that company see themselves as benefiting society. In this case, the guy who owned this wanted to market his business while making a leftist political statement. He did so. Neither the marketing nor the political statement should be entirely discounted simply because they came in concert.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

AUG 18, 2007 12:20 PM

Bitch_PhD said:

apesamongus said:
The fact that BitchPHD sees no difference between showing panties and implying a dangerous, backalley medical procedure baffles my mind.


What the fuck are you even talking about?!?


You must have forgotten the part where you mentioned that. You also said that any man who doesn't leave the toilet seat down deserves to have his hand cut off.

Really, now, what is happening to your memory? Why, if it weren't for all these nice boys around here to remind you, you'd probably have no idea what you were saying!

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

Los Angeles, CA
September 2006

AUG 20, 2007 10:16 AM

imzadi1974 said:
It's beyond sick that there is a wire hanger on this billboard...That combined with the words is just one more subliminal message our world does NOT need. The billdoard itself would not be so wrong if the hanger were to be removed...but the two together...SICK and TWISTED! Does the corporation not see or do they just 'choose' NOT to acknowledge the damage done by back-alley abortionists using hangers and other cruel and unsanitary 'utensils'..Mind boggling, that's all...Choice and desperation are two very different things, but the back-alley bastards do more damage than they prevent. Women DIE from these procedures, jsut as their unborn babies do...most of which would at the very least have a chance at a real life with a loving family if these unwanted childre nwere given the chance at life via adoption. Adoption is rising in America, Adoption gives the chance of family living and family values to not only the children but to the people who aren't able to reproduced like rabbits with no intention to become parents. ABORTION is NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!! It's DEATH, in your FACE DEATH...and murder...no matter how you put it, a child is killed when it's over. Even rape babies get adopted!



whoa, simmah down now!
a) yes, of course the advertisers realize the horror of back-alley abortions--that's the point; without access to safe, legal abortions, this is what women will resort to.
b) adoption is a great idea. unfortunately not all children get adopted, particularly once they get older. until the religious right is ready to take in all those babies of wayward teenage mothers, the argument is a non sequitur. it also ignores the argument for bodily integrity that says the government should not be able to commandeer a woman's uterus and force her to carry a fetus to term, regardless of her responsibilities thereafter.
c) in case you are not aware, a good chunk of the population does not believe that a fetus is fully vested with the same rights as a born person. it is a personal, philosophical decision and not yours to make for everyone. abortion most certainly IS birth control--by its very definition it allows a woman control over whether she gives birth or not.

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

AUG 20, 2007 10:40 AM

Bitch_PhD said:
What the fuck are you even talking about?!?


Passers-by had mixed reactions. "I have no problem with it," Claudia Citernino, 55, said. She added that it was not as shocking as a lot of other things one sees.


...
Or even, y'know, this:



"Look at my panties!" Uhm, yeah. Right.


So, yea, that part there where you agree with someone that there are more shocking things than this ad and show the bebe ad as an example.

I mean, being that you're a paid writer, I assumed you correctly said what you were trying to say. But I may have given you too much credit. So, if you really didn't mean to say that you find the panty ad more shocking, just say so. And then please explain what you did mean, because I know of no other way of interpreting those words in that particular order.

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

AUG 20, 2007 09:43 PM

Spoiled said:

xxxxxxx said:

Jasper said:
It kinda creeps me out that the billboard picture is of a wire hanger, though....



Using the idea of a back alley "coat-hanger abortion" to advertise your storage service does seem quite... out there.



i think it's a foul and repulsive way to advertise anything. I don't even get what the point of it is.. how is her right to choose shrinking? wtf does that mean? I really don't get it.. Why doesn't the wire hanger comany just come out with an ad that says,

WIRE HANGERS: THE CHEAPER CHOICE!!



*wooooosh*

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

AUG 21, 2007 11:36 AM

imzadi1974 said:
It's beyond sick that there is a wire hanger on this billboard...That combined with the words is just one more subliminal message our world does NOT need.



I disagree. And so do a large number of pro-choice individuals who have seen access to safe abortion methods become less and less accessible over the past few decades.


The billdoard itself would not be so wrong if the hanger were to be removed...but the two together...SICK and TWISTED!



Oh...I get it, sick and twisted... Sort of like the dead fetus propaganda used by the pro-life camp? Furthermore, the point of the wire hanger is satire. Now I realize that this may be lost on you but a lot of advertisers or activists use hyperbole to emphasize a point.


Does the corporation not see or do they just 'choose' NOT to acknowledge the damage done by back-alley abortionists using hangers and other cruel and unsanitary 'utensils'..Mind boggling, that's all...Choice and desperation are two very different things, but the back-alley bastards do more damage than they prevent. Women DIE from these procedures, jsut as their unborn babies do...most of which would at the very least have a chance at a real life with a loving family if these unwanted childre nwere given the chance at life via adoption.



All I really can say here is: woooooosh. You really missed the point here. The company (via that hyperbole I was talking about earlier) is arguing that women's access to safe, sterile abortions is diminishing (thus the wire hanger imagery).


Adoption is rising in America, Adoption gives the chance of family living and family values to not only the children but to the people who aren't able to reproduced like rabbits with no intention to become parents.



I also believe that adoption is a great choice for some women. But I also don't feel that it should be up to you, the state, or anyone else to tell a woman that she has to carry a fetus to term if she does not want to.


ABORTION is NOT BIRTH CONTROL!!! It's DEATH, in your FACE DEATH...and murder...no matter how you put it, a child is killed when it's over. Even rape babies get adopted!



And thus ends your sanity... A lot of people (myself included) do not consider a fetus to be a child. Simply because you do does not make abortion murder, plain and simple.

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

AUG 21, 2007 08:47 PM

riley st. clair said:
abortion most certainly IS birth control--by its very definition it allows a woman control over whether she gives birth or not.



It's nice to hear someone else say this - I called abortion a form of birth control in an SG abortion debate once, and MAN did I get jumped all over!!! By both the pro-choice and right-to-life sides! I thought I was alone in this opinion...

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

AUG 21, 2007 09:06 PM

Clidna said:

riley st. clair said:
abortion most certainly IS birth control--by its very definition it allows a woman control over whether she gives birth or not.



It's nice to hear someone else say this - I called abortion a form of birth control in an SG abortion debate once, and MAN did I get jumped all over!!! By both the pro-choice and right-to-life sides! I thought I was alone in this opinion...


"Birth control" has become a codeword that has little to do with either of the component parts it was formed from.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

AUG 22, 2007 12:35 AM

Jasper said:
It kinda creeps me out that the billboard picture is of a wire hanger, though....



No more wire hangers, EVER!!!

SomethingStupid

SomethingStupid

North Hollywood, CA
March 2004

AUG 22, 2007 01:08 AM

I kind of think that board has been put up specifically to be a lightning rod for discussion such as this, and the makers are indifferent to the cause. It doesn't make sense to me otherwise. When I saw that billboard, the last thing I was thinking about was closet space. Given the import of the one issue (whichever side of the fence you are on), the notion of closet space falls secondary. On that front, it's not a very effective ad. So I assume they wanted the billboard to be controversial, in which case, aren't they more or less whoring out the controversy over these procedures? And what does a billboard like this actually do for the issue? I can't imagine it actually winds up being all that much. It's like riding around with an anti-abortion bumpersticker. The bumpersticker doesn't actually change anyone's mind or provide vital information about the issue in question. Or affect anything.

What I'm saying is that while I'm not offended by the billboard, I'm not moved by it, and would not, as yet, be any more likely to go to them because of it. Tell me that a decent portion of a given month's proceeds go to support Planned Parenthood? That'll be more likely to get me to shop there. But if you aren't doing that, you're just taking advantage of the politics of the city, and the fact that the board will generate publicity via news. It's moot.

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