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code_red

Portland, OR
July 2005

AUG 15, 2007 04:25 PM



Welcome to America. Home to baseball, George W. Bush, and The highest drinking age in the world. I know that when I was 16 I was drinking like an Irish dock worker, because I had friends who had friends who knew a guy in college. That guy and those friends would get drunk and pass out, which is when I would pocket all the booze to enjoy with my "underage" friends at a later date. But future generations might get to enjoy something I never had: Having a drink at 18... legally.

Over the strong objection of federal safety officials, a quiet movement to lower the legal drinking age to 18 is taking root as advocates argue that teenagers who are allowed to vote and fight for their country should also be able to enjoy a beer or two.


The ban on alcohol sales to minors though is a state requirement, not federal. If states don't comply, they lose money for highway funds. Given the recent events in Minnesota, I would say the effect of missing highway funds is being felt regardless of drinking laws. Though states ban alcohol sales, they do not necessarily ban the consumption by minors. Data shows that the current drinking age really has no effect on youngsters:

The federal government’s National Survey on Drug Use and Health found that in 2005, the most recent year for which complete figures are available, 85 percent of 20-year-old Americans reported that they had used alcohol. Two out of five said they had binged — that is, consumed five or more drinks at one time — within the previous month.


I know when I first joined the US Military at 17 and began my travels of the world, I learned more from 40-something drinkers in Australia, Italy, and Thailand then I ever learned from a high school health lecture on the effects of drinking. Others seem to agree with this factor. I think its because we all like to have a drinking buddy. Thankfully we have groups like Choose Responsibly, led by John McCardell, the former President of Middlebury College. They will teach parents to get plastered with us, and respect the rights of young adults everywhere. Well, that's the hope. I think.

To McCardell, however, the real problem is that we are not teaching teenagers how to drink responsibly.

Choose Responsibility proposes lowering the drinking age to 18, but only in conjunction with “drinking licenses,” similar to driver’s licenses, mandating alcohol education for those ages 18 to 21.

“Education works,” McCardell said, but “it’s never been tried. Now it’s mandatory only after you’ve been convicted of DUI. That is not an act of genius.”


So here is an idea: Lower the drinking age, create tougher drunk driving penalties like in other countries, and make a family day of getting drunk. I'm sure we will learn more about our families and ourselves then we ever cared to know... at least parents will finally be aware of what REALLY happens in college.




scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

AUG 16, 2007 12:07 AM

i've always failed to see how someone can be seen as mature enough to help decide who runs the country but not mature enough to have even a Mike's Hard.

BDeyeD

BDeyeD

Toronto, ON
January 2007

AUG 16, 2007 12:22 AM

All I can say is, "Finally!!!"

Jasper

Jasper

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

AUG 16, 2007 12:49 AM

I would like this a lot.
But if not...

*pity me*
...I can always go to Mexico.
I mean... I risk being sold into slavery
and I don't really know Spanish
but it's totally worth it.
*/pity me*


And THATS why drinking should be legal at 18.

Rafi

Rafi

Santa Monica, CA
January 2003

AUG 16, 2007 01:00 AM

The drinking age should be lowered, yes.

But if we're serious about cutting down on binge drinking in America, the whole idea of alcohol consumption should be de-mystified. Children as they grow up should see that drinking is not necessarily an exotic, overindulgent activity. It can just as easily be a glass of wine or quality ale savored with dinner, and as they reach their late teens it can absolutely be a positive experience to have their first drink, in moderation, with the family.

But of course, we would never do that here. Because that's how those filthy, socialist French do it. whatever

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

AUG 16, 2007 01:00 AM

Jasper said:
I would like this a lot.
But if not...

*pity me*
...I can always go to Mexico.
I mean... I risk being sold into slavery
and I don't really know Spanish
but it's totally worth it.
*/pity me*


And THATS why drinking should be legal at 18.



But if you were captured by slavers you could have a righteous and explosive adventure while escaping. The world needs antics!

edith

edith

France
April 2006

AUG 16, 2007 01:07 AM

you can't change the drinking age since the culture of alcohol is so fucked up in the US. no one knows how to drink in the first place..that has to happen first.

Jasper

Jasper

SUICIDEGIRL

I'm lost

AUG 16, 2007 01:24 AM

_Elichrusos said:

Jasper said:
I would like this a lot.
But if not...

*pity me*
...I can always go to Mexico.
I mean... I risk being sold into slavery
and I don't really know Spanish
but it's totally worth it.
*/pity me*


And THATS why drinking should be legal at 18.



But if you were captured by slavers you could have a righteous and explosive adventure while escaping. The world needs antics!



or I could die....
hrm...

death... adventures... death... adventures...
ADVENTURES TOTALLY WIN.

Nimbusfool

Nimbusfool

Moscow, ID
August 2006

AUG 16, 2007 01:24 AM

as a countinuous drunk I would like to say, yeah! get drunk. none of my roomates wanted to drink the 7&7 with watermelon so maybe some of these kids will help me crush the half gal.

surreal

Bonaparte

Bonaparte

Eugene, OR
September 2006

AUG 16, 2007 01:26 AM

but then we wouldnt have a reason to vacation in countries with a lower drinking age... smile

Vestril

Vestril

Coronado, CA
February 2003

AUG 16, 2007 01:31 AM

Yeah! Fuck states rights or something...

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

AUG 16, 2007 01:32 AM

Jasper said:

_Elichrusos said:

Jasper said:
I would like this a lot.
But if not...

*pity me*
...I can always go to Mexico.
I mean... I risk being sold into slavery
and I don't really know Spanish
but it's totally worth it.
*/pity me*


And THATS why drinking should be legal at 18.



But if you were captured by slavers you could have a righteous and explosive adventure while escaping. The world needs antics!



or I could die....
hrm...

death... adventures... death... adventures...
ADVENTURES TOTALLY WIN.



Well, you could die. If it were up to me, however, I'd pass[1].

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
1: I am bizzaro-hilarious. It's like comedy, only not.

Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

AUG 16, 2007 01:34 AM

Tijuana is going to suffer.

But really, 18 should be the drinking age anywhere in the U.S.

McKenneth

McKenneth

Macedon, NY
August 2005

AUG 16, 2007 01:37 AM

edith said:
you can't change the drinking age since the culture of alcohol is so fucked up in the US. no one knows how to drink in the first place..that has to happen first.



+1

You know what I say to people who bitch about the drinking age being 21?

"Get older."

Sydni

Sydni

SUICIDEGIRL

Washington, USA

AUG 16, 2007 02:01 AM

Even more drunk drivers? Awesome.

All I know is that when I get cut off on the highway by some 16 year old in her daddy's escalade, I am thankful she can't legally drink yet.

The social myths around alchohol need to be debunked before this happens. That's all I'm saying.

GeorgeLiquor

GeorgeLiquor

Seattle, WA
June 2007

AUG 16, 2007 02:39 AM

Oh, if I have to wait till I'm 21, and then the fuckers behind me get to drink at 18?

I'm gonna be pissed.
And get all the dishwashers piss drunk.

spinhouse247

spinhouse247

Punta Gorda, FL
December 2003

AUG 16, 2007 03:13 AM

Beer's are on me if the age changes!

XamaX_is_Dead

XamaX_is_Dead

La Mesa, CA
March 2007

AUG 16, 2007 03:25 AM

edith said:
you can't change the drinking age since the culture of alcohol is so fucked up in the US. no one knows how to drink in the first place..that has to happen first.



don't worry, i am pretty sure i know how to drink enough for 6 to 10 people. i mean it takes skill to be able to drink 2 fiths in a night right? RIGHT? and let me just say, keep your coke, weed, coffee, smack, crack and cereal just give me a case of beer and i am the happiest fucking boy in the fucking world... did i mention i have been drinking pretty heavily tonight? well i fucking have. proper planning is all you need for a night of bing drinking, make sure you have the following kiddies

1. water that you can stand to drink, and lots of it.
2. advil, tylenol, or some other headache/pain killer
3. good friends that you don't secretly harbor some ill will or resentment towards...
4. crap loads of your favorite alcohol, enough to put all the drinking participants in the hospital is preferable
5. at least one designated driver per 5 people
6. plenty of kick ass snacks the everyone drinking will enjoy (remember vegans don't like meat, dairy, or your favorite beef flavored beer)
7. ice cream for the newbs who hate the tase of alcohol, but still want to drink. have them eat a spoonful every so often, trust me it sounds gross, but it so fucking works...

that's it. that is all the fuck you need to know. have some condoms, fireworks, matches, and guns around and you have a recipe for success that just can't be beat... go get drunk you crazy ass kids and remember, if it was good enough for jesus, it is good enough for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

maquiladora

maquiladora

United Kingdom
June 2006

AUG 16, 2007 03:32 AM

They're trying to raise the drinking age to 21 in england. It's not going to happen, me thinks.

Evilgasm

Evilgasm

Netherlands
April 2007

AUG 16, 2007 03:53 AM

Sydni said:
Even more drunk drivers? Awesome.

All I know is that when I get cut off on the highway by some 16 year old in her daddy's escalade, I am thankful she can't legally drink yet.

The social myths around alchohol need to be debunked before this happens. That's all I'm saying.



Here in The Netherlands we have (IMO) an ideal solution to this:

From the age of 16 you are allowed to drink light alcoholic beverages. Things like beer, wine, and those horrid "alco-pop" things. From the age of 18 you are allowed to move on to the heavier stuff.

The key factor to it all: You're not allowed to drive until you are 18!

Odiumm

Odiumm

Australia
October 2006

AUG 16, 2007 03:56 AM

Drinking and drinking ages is interesting. It's really exciting when you're sneaking around to do it, and you're all eyes out to the legal age (which for Aussies is 18) until you get there ... and realise it's boring as fuck.

My partner and I go out to dinner, and purposely organise to be picked up when we're done so we can have a couple of drinks ... and we almost never do.

I agree though, if you're mature enough to vote for your leaders and make the decision to die fighting for your country, you're mature enough to have a pint. Either the legal age for drinking should come down to 18, or everything else should go up to 21. Makes sense.

TequilaRayMax

TequilaRayMax

United Kingdom
August 2004

AUG 16, 2007 04:22 AM

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

AUG 16, 2007 04:49 AM

I dunno, I work at a liquor store, and I'm annoyed by the 21 and 22 year old drinkers who don't know shit about alcohol. I think if I had an influx of younger drinkers, I'd probably lose it.

Kenet

Kenet

USA
November 2004

AUG 16, 2007 04:52 AM

I agree there are larger problems with alcohol, but I would suppose a 18-year old drinking age, it's not like they aren't already getting it.

The drinking license thing is a good idea, although we can see how well driver's education has worked out here in the states. blackeyed

dark_armour

dark_armour

Australia
September 2005

AUG 16, 2007 05:25 AM

That "what's driving you" article about other countries penalties is both offensive and innaccurate. we do not punish drink drivers here by putting them in the newspaper!

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