NEWS: Old News From Iraq

CULTURE: Old News From Iraq

Think the Pat Tillman story's bad? At least you've heard of it. In contrast, Lavena Johnson, black, female, and not a football player, is someone I bet none of us have ever heard of.

It's impossible to say if her race or sex have anything to do with the story, of course. It's equally impossible not to suspect that they do.

Bitch_PhD says, support the troops--all of them.

Well, shit. I'd better look out.


There's been a lot of sexually assaults and rapes that I'm suprised hasn't hit the media. I'm waiting for that one.

when i was in iraq i heard of 4 females having been raped 3 which "killed themselves" and 1 male who was gang raped by like 10 other guys ... he of course "killed himself" as well ... one other female i know of was thrown out of a humvee , though the events surronding that are unclear to me ... i dont think they put alot of investigation into these events which is a damn shame

While there didn't appear to be anything suggesting rape in this story, I believe it happens in our military much more frequently than reported.

It's too bad the military doesn't slip some sort of drug into their food that would kill the libido during their stays.

Hey hey hey, there's no need to punish all of us in the service, just because a few...well, most of us aren't worth the breath that we fight for.

I enjoy my libido, and I don't do anything that could warrant a need to potentially harm it.

Actually, it probably happens less per capita than in the same number of people in the average American town.

Either way, slipping us drugs is not the answer. My libido has not caused me to sexually assault anyone, and I know it never will. Since it is not libido that would cause most to rape, since the majority of rape cases are about power, etc and less about the actual sex.

oh please, you and i both know that if the government slipped anything into their food it'd be something to make them sex-nuts and retard-strong.

to make 'em fight harder. *rimshot*

I find this story really disturbing, and even more so disturbing is Marlboroink's comment. Thanks for pointing these things out to the public, guys.

I would hope it would be almost non-existent in the military. I also don't expect cops to rape people either - although I'm sure it happens.

When a person who puts themselves in a position to protect commits a rape, I even more sickened and disappointed than by a regular citizen douche bag.

As much as a rape may be a power issue - the fact remains that a guy is probably less able to rape a woman with a floppy ding ding than he is with a full erection.

I'm in no way a doctor but I watch Scrubs. And that pretty much makes me an expert.

As soon as I read that, a semi-recent news story from around here sprang to mind. The one about a house party where a bunch of teenage boys who raped a girl with a beer bottle.

You'd almost want them to use their dicks, rather than force them to get creative.

And besides, my knowledge of crime from watching CSI totally > your Scrubs-based medicine knowledge.

Soldiers bodies don't need fucked with any more than what they all ready go through. The sad fact is that soldiers are in fact people and although its unfortunate that some people either because of the combat stresses or just the fact that they were shit heads to begin with commit these crimes, it's way more important that they be held accountable for their actions. I believe thats the main point in this story.

Anything that killed their labido would also ruin their drive and ability to kill. Or something. Anyway, it's not nice to slip people rufies.

A military guy I was talking to at work had this to say about women in the military, and I can't really argue with his reasoning:

'I don't think women should be in the military. Not because they can't do the job, but because there are more or less two kinds of guys out there. There are the ones that have the protect-the-woman ideal engrained in their head, and will risk their lives and others to protect a woman, even though she has the exact same job to do. Then there are the kind of guys who will... well, you know. Make use of a woman's body.'

I thought it was nice of him not to say 'rape and beat' but that's pretty much what he was getting at. Stories like this just drive his point home.

Why, from what I can see presented here, is the only media outlet covering this a local news station? She may be a black female, and we know that is less likely to get as much press as someone like Jessica Lynch, but if even half the evidence this article presents is true, every news channel in the country should be covering this. It would be a huge story for them, despite her not being a football player. What's the deal?

Um gringo, military members are people just like you, and in fact for their job they go out there and die by the hand of some politicians orders, and I know it's beat to death, but the volunteer military that serves and dies does protect the ability to enjoy a sheltered semi-free (got to love bush ruining everything) life.

So please don't talk about us like we are cattle, we're just as fucking human as anyone else.

Um, Sparaz? That wasn't an entirely serious suggestion.

I was, however, entirely serious when I said I am more sickened by a person who elects to hold a position of protection and rapes someone over a regular Joe citizen raping someone.

Mind you - both are unforgivable. But one is worse than the other to me.

I was also completely serious in another thread on this board where I suggested that anyone who attempts to rape a person on the way to the latrine be shot dead.*

[EDIT/ADD/WHATEVER] * As long as it was a slow death.

A quick google search for 1LT Neale Shank will show that his death investigation is "ongoing," but there's Criminal Investigation Detachment (CID) posters at the PX on Camp Striker asking for information about his death.

My buddies, who live near where the LT did, say he was shot in the head in his own bed.

If I remember correctly ALL of the female military personel that were killed in Vietnam were murdered. Not one died due to enemy attack.

maybe you serve with a bunch of humans, but most of the people i serve with belong in a camp somewhere.

well, I for one know that suicide by fatal beating is quite popular in my town...

I don't think I could stand being given the run around by a government my child swore and died to defend (or whatever it is they are dying for.) I mean, do they really think that lying about how she died is going to improve their image over telling the truth? Either way they are pretty much fucked, right? Might as well come clean...or at least pay the family a hefty sum to keep the truth quiet...the family at the very least deserves the truth.

ever seen "Jacob's Ladder"? I hope the military never slips anything into people's drinks, especially in such an adverse environment...drugs effects can COMPLETELY change depending on the state of mind...look at alcohol...whiskey makes people crazy, but wine puts them to sleep...

Any time I read about the military it's just further proof that I could never hack it and I'm glad there are people with the stones to go into the service...which makes it all the more disconcerting when this stuff happens and you found out what some military members are capable of...and this is just the stuff you hear about.

You know, as much I'm glad that the military was pressured to admit the truth about Pat Tillman, I always wondered if any of it would have come out had he not been a football player. I suppose I have my answer now.

Wow... I cant believe some of the people on here saying that if females werent allowed in the military that this wouldnt happen. Really? So these things never happen to male soldiers? Give me a break. I served in the Army for 4 years, and was medically discharged due to injuries I recieved while in Iraq. But I didnt get hurt by doing something stupid or by another soldier... I got them by my truck being hit with roadside bombs all the damn time (i was a 50cal gunner... military police) There are military cover ups all the time... just like Pat Tillman, just like Nick Burg ( was there for that one ).... just like the chow hall in Mosul ( was there for that one too) just like command centers being hit by 'enemy fire' ....
I am sorry that this happened to her... but how dare you say that females shouldnt be in the military. I have met plenty of males that had no business carrying a weapon. Besides... its females like me that volunteer... that keep your boyfriends from being drafted.

even with the jessica lynch thing why was she the only person covered ... she wasnt the only one captured ... and "her supposed torture" well the evidence shows that her legs were broken not from torture but from the wreck, cause by a mortor round. thier were several others captured but you saw very little news of them ... while evidence shows that a black female captured was tortured far worse then she was ... and also a male in that incidence killed several of the attackers trying to defend his fellow soldiers before he was overcome but you heard nothing of his heroic deeds ... i have heard of and even seen many soldiers (all military included thier) both male and female , of all colors, and all relegions ... make huge sacrafices and perform heroic deeds in the face of danger ... a freind of mine rushed into a burning house and rescued several people, he was given an AAM ... that is an army achievment medal ... a very low medal i might add, but higher ranking individuals who do nothing more then sit on a base and give out missions are givin bronze stars ... something that in the past was reserved for brave acts ... this whole war in my point of view is a tradegdy ... yes i can get in trouble for saying this, but then again im a little crazy. so yeah we all know the revolving reasons about why we are in iraq ... we all know its about oil, we all know things are being hidden, but why cant we show off the soldiers who do brave things ... who rescure kids from fires ... who put thier lives on the line to save thier fellow soldiers ... why is it that we only show soldiers who have been captured having thier heads cut off, i can tell you that brian tillman, lavena johnson, and others have been killed by other soldiers but thats because soldiers are humans just like any other humans thier is always goin to be a percentage of people who are innately evil ... i say evil and not bad because to rape and murder is evil ... killing in battle is not evil all though i disagree with the war, i'm not goin to say that any soldier who killed someone else who was trying to kill them is bad or evil. I guess all im really trying to say is ... the news sucks its all negative and if i watch the news any more i think i might smash the tv.

p.s. i am in no way saying the jessica lynch is a bad person for being covered by thew news it is nothing against her just against our media for focusing soley on her when others should have been covered as well

my mother served in the navy, my lil sister is in the navy ... i see no problem with woman serving in the military ... one of my pvts. is female and hse is prob one of hte best soldiers i got ... i think thier are certain jobs that females shouldnt do, such as serving on a submarine because lets face it 9 months to a year under water ... ppl are ppl and thier going to fuck ... and if a female gets pregnant you have to end the entire mission to bring her back to land ... but other then odd circumstances like that ... women belong in the military as much as men do