NEWS: Beyond My Ability to Bitch

Some one above doesn't seem to know what she is talking about when it comes to the military. It is pretty obvious that had the female testified the guy's would have been arrested. The only conclussion I can make of this is a. she was lying about the situation or b. she was insane. You would think that if you were raped you would want to stop some one else from being raped, by the person who raped you. though rape in the military does happen, it is reported and dealt with much more effectively and thoroughly then in the civillian sector. The only person who would ever get away with rape in the military is like in above circumstances or if there is a corrupt chain of command. Their are so many more rapes that go unpunished in the civillian sector that it is a little ridiculous to make statements about the military like that. The military is so much more different than it used to be, we need everyone we have so the whole females are treated worse is a load of crap and mostly isolated incidents. One thing you won't find any where but the military is that everyone gets paid the same no matter their sex. I hate threads like this.

As many as sixty percent of all rapes go unreported. That's just from Wikipedia, and it's hard to verify, but it jibes with my own anecdotal experience, as well - I've known several women who have been raped, but none who have been to court over it.

There are a lot of possible reasons for this, and I'm not going to bother to go into all of them, but when Hernandez said she just wanted to get on with her life, I'm inclined to take that at face value, whatever may have happened to her.

She also says the incident was nonconsensual. Without further information on the specifics of both the incident and the context, that claim is basically impossible to evaluate, but there is neither any reason to presume her dishonesty.

Also, you just called Cheyenne either a liar or a psycho. That's a pretty strong statement.

And you know all about being raped, what with being a man and all...

Coming from someone who was raped, and didn't report it, I can assure you that there are hundreds of reasons (if not more) that women do not report rape, or don't follow it up even if they do report it. Not the least of which is people accusing her of lying, which a number of people have already done in this thread alone. I can only imagine what it must be like in a good ol' boys club like the army.

Unfortunately for your argument, the person above to whom you refer is not only in the military, but was drugged, raped and was consequently compelled to endure a complete lack of regard for both her interests and justice. (Unless, of course you believe that she is either 'lying or insane' too, that is.) As such, I would argue that she does indeed know what she is talking about.

Yes, it is quite easy for those who have not been through such an ordeal to imagine what those who have might want. Unfortunately, naive ideas don't necessarily match up to the reality of the situation.

You may be correct, although personally speaking, I would be inclined to regard someone's first-hand experience of the matter at hand as rather more valuable than your vague assurances that "(rape)...is reported and dealt with much more effectively and thoroughly then in the civilian sector." If you know where I could find such information, I would of course be interested to read about rape-victims in the military who have praise for how their case was handled, having had the military supportively and successfully secure the guilty party's conviction. Such accounts seem to be a little harder to find.

Equal pay is great. Unfortunately that has absolutely nothing to do with rape or how rape cases are handled.

with strap-on technology what it is today, pretty much everyone is a potential rapist.

everyone is pretty much a potential everything.

ever heard the saying "there but for the Grace of God go I"?

If you'd like to look back at your own contributions to this thread, the first post you made replied to a statement (by Bitch_PhD). Now, what are you complaining about?

The difficulty I'm having here is with these two paragraphs, which you have chosen to omit from your reply (if you think the post gets too long, you can always use spoilers):

The parts I'm having trouble with are bolded.

Mortifying as it is for me to suggest, this strikes me more as the military equivalent of a cost-benefit analysis. Considering the cost of training each individual airman, and considering that these cases more often than not involve the word of one female cadet against several male cadets, from a command standpoint... well, you see where I'm going with this. Just a thought, though, again, a highly unpleasant one.

It seems to me where this could go so many different ways,

Now this is not to say that the way the courts are acting in this particular case is utter BULLSHIT

Of course the men are testifying
If they DID do it, they are going to be the shitheaded sleazbags they may be and try and doge what evil they hath done
However, if they DIDNT do it, of course they are going to testify cause they dont want to go to prison for what they didnt do.

And its the Same for the woman
If she is LYING she doesnt want to be called on it
However if she ISNT, the whole having a hard time seeing the faces of those who hurt you in such a horribly evil way is a buyable reason

I have had friends who were raped, and there sole concern was getting the bastards that had done it behind bars

I also have a friend who was accused of rape, he didnt do it, and he testified his heart out so he didnt go to prison for somethign he didnt do

something is missing here

Was that necessary?

-TM

Unfortunately for us, rape is and always will be predominantly a women's issue. Could I have phrased that better? Probably. But what he said pissed me off - he was obviously talking out his ass about something he knows little to nothing about, judging by his post.

so you casually dismiss any man who has been raped, since it's just a woman's issue? wow.

I believe she used the word "predominantly." She followed it with, "Could I have phrased that better? Probably."

I don't see where she was wrong in saying that or insinuated that dismissed any rape against a male.

Without knowing the actual figures, I would guess that rapes against women is somewhere in the mid to high 90s percentile range compared to rapes against a male.

Your guess is apparently pretty close to the mark.

that are reported.....

It just says "estimated" there, not whether or not underreporting is factored in. If it isn't, then considering that something like 90% of male rapes (though not necessarily victims) go unreported, that implies some truly inconceivable numbers.

And I very much doubt that it would shift the proportion of victims enough to make it a genuinely egalitarian issue.

I don't casually dismiss anybody being raped, male or female.

I would go on to defend my point, but I see that TheGringo and Zarth have already taken the words from my mouth... and probably made them prettier than I could have.

Awww, crap, I forgot about this article.

The reason I think it is the dumbest thing I ever heard is because for anyone to have to fear going to the fucking john is insane. The fucking military has spent shitloads of time and money to teach these fucking idiots (not the female soldiers, the other fucking idiots) to not be Neanderthal fuckwits. And yet the female members of my country's armed services can't go to their commanding fuckwit and say "Hey Major Fuckwit, Sargent Salivate and Private Peeper are making us feel unsafe when we go to the fucking latrine, and rather than get raped by Lieutenant Limpdick, we would like you to do something about these rapacious assholes". Upon which Major Fuckwit could respond "it will be done before you can tinkle in your BDUs".

See? Dumbest thing i have heard in a while. No one should have to deal with an organization that fucking dumb.