Seriously, his Rush Hour movies are mildly entertaining. Red Dragon was another take on the actual book and not a retelling of Manhunter which was based on the book. There were elements that he used that fit better with original story than Manhunter. Even though I will say that Mann has a better style and sense of direction than Ratner, the movie itself is decent. After the Sunset, well, not so much. X3 was entertaining, but too much happened in too short a movie.
Also, Raimi's Spiderman 3 wasn't a great movie for far better reasons than emo/dancing Parker, which fit well in the context of the movie and character by the way. The stories seem disjointed and placed together just for the sake of the movie itself.
Shanghai Noon makes a better buddy pic than Rush Hour...or maybe I would rather listen to Owen Wilson whine his dialog than listen to Tucker's 'turn it to 11' commentary on a black man's plight in Modern America.
Being loud does not make you funny.
Of course, Jackie Chan ALWAYS rocks. Even in crappy 70's ensemble movies...with large fat men.
how anyone could dislike spidey 2...man. thats a fun movie for the most part.
ratner just sucks. his movies are boring. the fact that we know his name is insane, because he is hardly an artist, autuer, etc. he makes bad bad movies. michael bay even has a few awesome action scenes in his movies that usually make us laugh and have fun.
ratner is all that is evil and wrong with the world.
Whatever job is the "opposite" of filmmaker. That's what he should be doing.
Would that be SG columnist?
Again, I applaud someone taking shots at me, but keep in mind, there's nothing that says they can't be funny.
Yes... the act of someone hefting a camera and shooting footage, be they a hack, visionary genius or recent film school grad... writing columns on SG is totally the opposite of that. Zing?
guerillasphere said:
And also I am a fan of high budget mediocrity since these types of movies are so cringingly re-watchable on hungover weekends. But when it comes to expensive hackery on TNT/TBS and FX, I prefer Bruckheimer and Bay to Rat.
Hahaha, that's a good topic. Maybe I'll do a "hangover film" list...
#1 on the Hangover Film list: Anything Starring Steven Seagal: Bone-breakings and endless accolades from villains... "damn, this guy is good" or "he's no chef, he's ex-special forces." It's impossible not to be entertained. Maybe a little embarrassed, but entertained nevertheless.
You have to give bonus points for later Seagal movies, where they have to shoot him either from the lower lip up or in near-pitch blackness to hide the fact that he's gotten puffier than Charles Barkley.
Speaking of which, my wife and I once watched Half Past Dead all the way through because we were in the middle of a really stupid fight and kept saying "If you want to watch something else, change the channel, I don't care".
Yea, I haven't seen Half Past Dead but that's the genius of Seagal flicks, you just have to see if the cliches will play out in some unexpected way even though you know they won't.
Also i think it should be mentioned that producers and directors are not the final say on films,...unless they are trully independant...the organisation bank rolling the project often gives firm guide lines about what pop,...or pulp if you will, culture 'must' be included in the films that they will fund...this often mitigates artistic license...i can make a trully great film,...and never get work with this organisation again...or a i can include a healthy dolp of the nonse they want to see it and continue working. the director of la mariachy and desperados often admits he amde those films to fund spy kids...spy kids he wanted to use as a vechicle because of the profits that family/children orientated films can generated...with these profits he hope to start his company of where he would now not have to answer to any one person and could simply make and do what he loves...oliver stone also apologised for alexander...he knew it was a crap film...he knew it was purely a film that was being made to compete in the epic genre'...but he was also under contract as a director to still make films..he had a vision..they had a different one...when your the employee it is your responsiblitiy to follow the vision of the person who is paying you....bill ratner is the same...he is just an employee who follows orders...because that is what employment is...i pay you to make or do something for me....not i pay you to do whatever the hell you want...if bill ratner is guilty of anything,..he is guilty of getting into bed with people who get him to make projects he is maybe not drawn too....and on this point i have often in my job been asked to make things i don't agree with..but at the end of the day i accepted the wage and that is simply life....but i save that wage so one day i will have my own venture where i can pay people to help me make what i think is cool...and no doubt i will have employees who don';t agree with what i make...but they will still obliged and save their wage..... rinse repeat.
Haha one of our reporters (I work at a news station) did an interview with Ratner about Rush Hour 3, during which I lost what misguided respect I had for the man. At one point he told us that Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker were, like, his best friends and stuff and he so felt like he "was making a Bond film or something."
Friends don't pay other friends millions to star in rehashed movies. Friends don't let other friends' dead careers(Chris Tucker has done what in the past x years?) have a new breath of life.
Jackie Chan should realize he's on a higher level than these people, and go back to kicking ass full time, not being the brunt of badly delivered hgih-pitched jokes while occasionally punching a man.
Half Past Dead is required viewing for anyone who not only would like to see Ja Rule get the shit beat out of him by a woman, but for anyone who would like to see Ja Rule get the shit beat out of him by a woman to a song that ends with the words "Small Balls." As he gets knocked out. CLASSIC.
TheCoolerKing
NEWSWIRE
Los Angeles, CA
AUG 08, 2007 08:35 PM