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JunkyardAngel

JunkyardAngel

San Gabriel, CA
February 2006

AUG 10, 2007 11:46 AM

Bitch_PhD said:The actual facts about abortion are that the vast majority are performed in the first trimester; a small but significant percentage happen in the second; and something like 1-2% happen in the third, virtually all because of health reasons. It's obvious why this is the case--women aren't idiots, they take pregnancy seriously, and abortion is an invasive procedure that no one chooses to go through for fun and frivolity.



I agree with all of the above. But the discussion here has been based on the opinions of those who write them, and it has gotten way off topic. And I have to admit, I am very curious about why people beleive or think in certain ways.

And while I do not agree with your philosophy, I DO agree that abortion must remain legal, because 1) government has no place legislating our ethics or morals; 2) What you said above: it's not like there is a line of 8-month women waiting for their abortions - just cause they can.

TheFox

TheFox

Durham, NC
February 2006

AUG 11, 2007 10:20 AM

KingHELL said:

reprobate said:
The state of Maryland created a law that said that exactly what she was accused of doing was not illegal. It is considered murder to kill a viable fetus unless you are the fetus' mother self aborting. That's what she did. Whether you like it or not, the state of Maryland, through its legislative and executive bodies deliberately exempted this exact circumstance from criminal penalty. I don't know how to say this any more simply.



And from everything I've read, the state came to the conclusion pretty quickly that this law did not apply to this woman, and it never went to trial. She was not prosecuted under the law. She was not convicted. She might have spent a few days in the pokey, but I think that's a case of the state acting with understandable caution after finding a pile of dead babies in her house.



Actually, they never would have found the "pile of dead babies in her house" had they not arrested her on a false charge.

Thus, your argument is null.

jerawyn

jerawyn

USA
December 2003

AUG 12, 2007 02:15 PM

She may have gotten off easier if there hadn't been four dead babies (or parts of...) in her possession.
Tragic. For myriad reasons.
She needs a mental health evaluation at a minimum.

_Chaos_

_Chaos_

El Paso, TX
February 2006

AUG 12, 2007 09:24 PM

Seriously Bitch_PhD,

Do you just google "fucked up baby deaths and pregnancies" or some shit??
You seem to have an odd obsession with posting stories about it whatever

SweetIyvie

SweetIyvie

Santa Rosa, CA
September 2004

AUG 12, 2007 11:31 PM

Juggernautchild said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

dminnisher411 said:

Juggernautchild said:

PixieStixxx said:
the whole "Keep your laws off my body" is CRAP. In fact, it ISN'T your body, it's a baby. Whether term or not. Ugh, if you're gonna be pregnant that long, why not just give the baby up for adoption or something.



Really, the article and bullcrap aside... What? You want laws restricting what goes on in your uterus? So you must be with that one guy who says that women shouldn't be on the front lines because they get infections? If someone ever finds a rift in space and time please make sure to go back to the middle ages where you belong.

Also, overpopulating the already overpopulated world with more sad and suffering children isn't exactly what I call the humane thing to do.



So you think abortion is a viable option for population control? Personally, I prefer killing populations of poor brown people to killing babies when we need to thin out the numbers, but I guess its just a matter of preference.

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That's almost too disgusting to even reply. But I will anyway.

First off,they're not alive yet. I'd rather spare them the horror of growing up parentless in a world that's already as fucking tough as it is. I don't mean it as population control, don't be thickheaded. We have enough orphans and suffering children is what I mean. Not existing would be fabulous, it's not like death because you never had the consciousness to realize you were alive in the first place. It's like pulling the plug on a braindead person. They're none the wiser. I have to say I weep for undeveloped fetuses as much as I weep everytime semen is wasted during sex, or each time I have a period and my eggs aren't being used.

Besides, say we make abortion illegal, what's going to happen next? Back-alley abortion clinics, home abortions, the disposing of live children, and a huge surge in the population of orphans. I'd rather know it was happening in a clean and painless environment, for both involved parties, or do people that "evil" not deserve proper healthcare? Poor teens or already struggling mothers? My birth control isn't covered at all by my health insurance, are women just supposed to go celebate? Rely on often unreliable condoms? Are rape victims juist supposed to deal with it?

We have the technology and the means to stop these tragedies and I must repeat again that not existing would probably be best in most these cases.

On a side note, I don't see what the religious types are concerned about anyway. I'll go to "hell" for it, sure, but sending a baby to "heaven" isn't exactly what I call a fucked up thing to do.



I don't know where the hell you get the idea that a fetus isn't "alive". When I had a 9 week ultrasound, my daughter was kicking, flipping, waving her arms and grabbing her umbilical cord. If thats not life I don't know what is.

And a clean and painless environment for both parties?? Do you know anything about abortion? There is nothing fucking painless about being torn limb from limb and having your brain sucked out and skull collapsed.

I have the right to chose what happens to MY body. I don't feel I have the right to choose what happens to my child's body however.

And I also don't have the right to tell you (universal you) what to do with your body. If you choose to abort your living fetus, I'm not going to try and stop you. But to be honest, I don't know how the hell you sleep at night.

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

Los Angeles, CA
September 2006

AUG 13, 2007 12:55 PM

i'm perfectly alright with saying a fetus is "alive." i just don't consider all forms of life to be equal.

apesamongus

apesamongus

Atlanta, GA
July 2002

AUG 13, 2007 01:18 PM

riley st. clair said:
i'm perfectly alright with saying a fetus is "alive." i just don't consider all forms of life to be equal.


But that leads to the larger discussion that neither side (in the broad sense, not just here on SG) seems willing to have.

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