I have lost WAY TOO MUCH to this drug.
It has all the beauty of a mushroom-cloud.
If anyone is struggling with it and needs someone to talk to that is non-judgemental feel free to write me.
I'm so sick of the heroin taboo. I agree it's probably the worst drug you can try but why is morphine good and heroin bad? I used it and now I'm addicted to methadone and I really dont see ANY hope of getting off that.oin is ok for some people who are in physical or emotional pain but even tho I use it, I would never sell it, even to friends. About heroin dealers tho,that's true, they have no morals at all. but everyone here nneeds something to keep them going in life, stop judging people for their choices. Heroin IS a choice, methadone isn't
I agree, if ur using and want to stop, you should definitely talk toa former addictict before ypu choose a detox plan. It's best to get advice from someone or even several people who have been in you're situation beforeyou see a Dr. who hasn't. I've found that tramadol can be very effective, Methadone is good if you tke it for a very short period.
FuctUpKornFan131 said:
I'm so sick of the heroin taboo. I agree it's probably the worst drug you can try but why is morphine good and heroin bad? I used it and now I'm addicted to methadone and I really dont see ANY hope of getting off that.oin is ok for some people who are in physical or emotional pain but even tho I use it, I would never sell it, even to friends. About heroin dealers tho,that's true, they have no morals at all. but everyone here nneeds something to keep them going in life, stop judging people for their choices. Heroin IS a choice, methadone isn't
The morphine used in hospitals now is non-addictive. That's a good reason for the difference.
hahah non addictive morphine. Heroin was once legal because they thought it was a non addictive alternative. The only actual difference now is the crap dealers mix in to make a profit, heroin is about as addictive as alcohol, you need to use it daily for a long time, but its easier to use than alcohol
Like ^ said, the main problems with heroin are impurities and poor practices regarding hygiene and needles. If you were disciplined about dosage and had access to an unlimited supply of clean needles and pure heroin, you could probably do it every day till you died of old age. Most addicts actually die of the ancillary consequences of their lifestyle: dirty needles (AIDs, Hep C), overdose (impure/unpredictable dosage), and exposure (homelessness).
Keith said:
Like ^ said, the main problems with heroin are impurities and poor practices regarding hygiene and needles. If you were disciplined about dosage and had access to an unlimited supply of clean needles and pure heroin, you could probably do it every day till you died of old age. Most addicts actually die of the ancillary consequences of their lifestyle: dirty needles (AIDs, Hep C), overdose (impure/unpredictable dosage), and exposure (homelessness).
The main problems with heroin is that it's heroin.
A ex-girlfriend of mine had a really cool dad. We were both musicians and into punk rock, sadly he died of an OD. I really had some good times with that guy, the few times I spent with him.
I've tried it twice, snorting it both times and I hated it, Thank God!
My soon to be Ex-Wife has had several problems with methadone. That's part of the reason we are getting a divorce.
My cousin is heading back to rehab for heroin. He has spent time in jail for robbery and possession. Been in and out of rehab.
Two friends from high school died, one from an OD the other contracted HIV and later died of AIDS. I've seen another friend of mine get strung out and busted. Last I knew he was on the run. His girlfriend was one of the most beautiful girls I've ever seen and the last time I saw her she was disgusting. I have several other friends from high school that had there lives ruined by smack.
Just to be clear I'm not recommending Heroin, I'm just saying that the drug isn't the problem, it's what some people do in order to buy it or what people do to make a profit from selling it. using heroin is never a good idea and it it will make all your problems worse
Keith said:
Like ^ said, the main problems with heroin are impurities and poor practices regarding hygiene and needles. If you were disciplined about dosage and had access to an unlimited supply of clean needles and pure heroin, you could probably do it every day till you died of old age. Most addicts actually die of the ancillary consequences of their lifestyle: dirty needles (AIDs, Hep C), overdose (impure/unpredictable dosage), and exposure (homelessness).
The main problems with heroin is that it's heroin.
+1 There are undeniable health risks associated with heroin. You don't have to overdose for it to be bad for you.
Reading comprehension is not a strong suit around here, is it?
The scenario I outlined for 'harmless' heroin usage is unlikely to happen to anyone in the real world outside of members of the Rolling Stones. You guys act like I said it was awesome good times for everybody.
Keith said:
Reading comprehension is not a strong suit around here, is it?
The scenario I outlined for 'harmless' heroin usage is unlikely to happen to anyone in the real world outside of members of the Rolling Stones. You guys act like I said it was awesome good times for everybody.
No one is acting like that.
But you're acting like if someone disagrees with you, they must just be incapable of comprehending your point. No. Sometimes people just disagree with you while perfectly understanding what you're saying. This is a fact of life. Your comment about reading comprehension comes across both arrogant and ignorant in this context.
Keith said:
Like ^ said, the main problems with heroin are impurities and poor practices regarding hygiene and needles. If you were disciplined about dosage and had access to an unlimited supply of clean needles and pure heroin, you could probably do it every day till you died of old age. Most addicts actually die of the ancillary consequences of their lifestyle: dirty needles (AIDs, Hep C), overdose (impure/unpredictable dosage), and exposure (homelessness).
While I'd like to agree with that, that isn't completely true. Longtime heroin usage tends to be associated with kidney failure and other renal problems. I have also noticed that one of the side-effects of being high on heroin, is that it suddenly becomes incredibly difficult to urinate.
Yes. When administered in proper doses by a qualified physician, the morphine used in hospitals today is not addictive.
I'm totally confused, as I have heard nothing about this. What specifically have they modified in the morphine today to make it less addictive than the morphine in the past? If you're talking about the extended-time release matrix, there's plenty of guidelines available online for breaking the polymer compound.
Psyche said:
Personally I think meth is a whole lot worse for you than heroin.
This. Sort of. Meth takes over communities and fucks up kids lives. This I have seen firsthand. I have lost a friend to a heroin overdose, he started with an addiction to Oxycontin after it was prescribed post-op (NOT supposed to be used for this type of short-term pain relief) and heroin was cheaper.
Methadone is a joke as a "treatment" for heroin addiction. You are far more likely to die from methadone withdrawals than heroin withdrawals.
Keith said:
Like ^ said, the main problems with heroin are impurities and poor practices regarding hygiene and needles. If you were disciplined about dosage and had access to an unlimited supply of clean needles and pure heroin, you could probably do it every day till you died of old age. Most addicts actually die of the ancillary consequences of their lifestyle: dirty needles (AIDs, Hep C), overdose (impure/unpredictable dosage), and exposure (homelessness).
The main problems with heroin is that it's heroin.
+1 There are undeniable health risks associated with heroin. You don't have to overdose for it to be bad for you.
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Keith:
Like ^ said, the main problems with heroin are impurities and poor practices regarding hygiene and needles. If you were disciplined about dosage and had access to an unlimited supply of clean needles and pure heroin, you could probably do it every day till you died of old age. Most addicts actually die of the ancillary consequences of their lifestyle: dirty needles (AIDs, Hep C), overdose (impure/unpredictable dosage), and exposure (homelessness).
I entirely agree with Keith here. There are very few long term negative effects of diacetyl morphine when administered hygienically, other than overdose. It is one of the safest compounds both in terms of side effects (many more side effects from tylenol, advil, SSRIs, etc.) and having a safe withdrawal (whereas the withdrawal from alcohol, benzos, etc. are very unsafe). Of course, this is why agonists like methadone and partial agonists like buprenorphine are (no offense) not jokes at all but very effective in preventing long term consequences. The methadone withdrawal is tough, yes, but still pretty safe. And there are protective ceiling effects on buprenorphine, which is wonderful.
And Psyche, a lot of the glomerular and other renal effects are thought to be related to impurities and immune consequences of pathogens, anyways.
I used to have a problem with it. I've always had an addictive personality but whatever town I was in I would immediately seek it out. It ruined a lot of relationships for me too. Then I met someone who got me on subotex and I've been clean for 3 years now.
I read Kurt Cobain's biography called Heavier Then Heaven, and after that I was cured of ever wanting to try heroin. It was absolutely depressing as hell to ready just how hard he tried to give it up and how completely impossible it was, and how it eventually killed him. I don't know if it's the worst drug out there, but there is nothing that anyone could offer me to ever make me want to try it.
Tried Crack, Shooting up was not something I could do, My Uncle did once when I was around, And it freaked me the Hell out, Now I only drink on occassion. I think everybody has some kind of addiction, some are life ending though:-( My Uncle has many Medical and Mental issues due to his Drug use.
noirkiss3
Minneapolis, MN
April 2006
APR 21, 2007 06:18 PM