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brooklynhero

brooklynhero

Brooklyn, NY
October 2006

JUL 29, 2007 08:19 AM

They should reprint it.

Making a thought illegal (or a book taboo) has never worked to truly inspire change and forward society.

people need to tackle their fears head on rather than buring them in a netherworld of bureacratic banishment.

For what it's worth I think everyone here should go see

This is England



It's a wonderful movie that takes place during the early 80s English Nationalism movement.

It's playing at the IFC center for you New Yorkers out there.

Cash

Cash

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JUL 29, 2007 08:46 AM

Sick said:
"Know your enemy." -- derived from Sun Tzu.

Almost no one read Mein Kampf when it was written. One could argue that if more people had, it might have shed some light onto the motivations and intentions of Hitler and the Third Reich, and possibly have prevented a great deal of suffering.



Funny....you could say the same thing about the Patriot Act. Off topic, I know...but interesteing.

raoulduke77

raoulduke77

Israel
May 2005

JUL 29, 2007 11:03 AM

brooklynhero said:
They should reprint it.

Making a thought illegal (or a book taboo) has never worked to truly inspire change and forward society.

people need to tackle their fears head on rather than buring them in a netherworld of bureacratic banishment.

For what it's worth I think everyone here should go see

This is England



It's a wonderful movie that takes place during the early 80s English Nationalism movement.

It's playing at the IFC center for you New Yorkers out there.



That does look pretty interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

TAFKASP

TAFKASP

Oakland, CA
June 2003

JUL 29, 2007 11:18 AM


Whatever you do, DO NOT CLICK ON THE SPOILER!




SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 29, 2007 05:16 PM

I do not see a compelling reason to ban it. It's not as though the end result isn't well known, after all.

BadSanta

BadSanta

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

JUL 29, 2007 06:15 PM

Put them both in a boxed set: The Complete Idiot's Guide To Hate.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JUL 29, 2007 06:42 PM

BadSanta said:
Put them both in a boxed set: The Complete Idiot's Guide To Hate.



There are lots of others which should go in there.

galahad

galahad

Los Angeles, CA
November 2003

JUL 29, 2007 09:28 PM

Banning books is self-defeating. The so-called index of books banned by the Catholic church has always provided good and free advertising for the authors.

I have a copy of Mein Kampf. Its a ranting grab bag of hysterical nonsense and incitations to murder with perhaps a handful of sensible ideas scattered here and there. But it was mandatory reading under the Third Reich. Incidentally it did not deter the german people. And the protocols are a dead horse that was beaten for decades. Its fraud was exposed so often that nothing should remain, yet there are always people ready to exhume it. Certainly there will be people that will exult at the reedition of Adolf's bible.

So what. What do we expect. Just look at how people continue to gesticulate and killl around the bible and the koran, which are full of similar nonsense. We still live in a very primitive world.

ClaireABelle

ClaireABelle

Redondo Beach, CA
November 2006

JUL 29, 2007 09:46 PM

i don't think any books should be banned. it doesn't matter how racist it is, it doesn't matter if 99% of the population disagrees with it... well, at least it shouldn't. if it was put out there in the first place, why can't we have it now?

and like a bunch of people said, even if they do ban it, there's always the black market... it's common knowledge that if someone tells you not to do something, you are going to feel like 5 times more obligated to do it.


the internet helps too.


here's the entire text of mein kampf
http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

JUL 29, 2007 11:42 PM

"Serious discussion rather than demonisation." Interesting. So, what's the deal? Is Professor Moeller an honest academic, or an antisemite in disguise?


Who cares? Whether or not his stated arguments conceal shitty motives, they're right.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

JUL 30, 2007 12:04 AM

Banning hate speech is about as effective as abstinence-only sex education. Which is to say, it isn't.

_Elichrusos

_Elichrusos

Australia
November 2004

JUL 30, 2007 12:06 AM

RudieCantFail said:
Banning hate speech is about as effective as abstinence-only sex education. Which is to say, it isn't.



WTF ever, man, you're encouraging teenagers to have sex and sell out their futures.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

JUL 30, 2007 12:12 AM

_Elichrusos said:

RudieCantFail said:
Banning hate speech is about as effective as abstinence-only sex education. Which is to say, it isn't.



WTF ever, man, you're encouraging teenagers to have sex and sell out their futures.



jdmass

jdmass

Argentina
June 2007

JUL 30, 2007 04:16 PM

Banning books, ideas, plants, liquids and powders only makes those more appealing to uninformed idiots trying to "be cool and rebelious". If someone wants to read mein kampf and chooses to believe its nonsense, so be it. The book did not murder 6 million people, nor would Hitler have been able to pull it off either, if the people of Europe had not made their mind up on whom to blame for their own bloody failure as a nation. Banning it does not solve the issue of hatred against the jews.



Saying, "Sure, you can buy Jewish Peril: Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion on Amazon, but just so you know, it's a total pack of lies," has got to be more effective than turning the title into contraband. No matter what, these books are going to remain in circulation, so the more that we can expose them as lies, fabrications, and angry rants, the greater chance we'll have of diffusing their power.



I'm confused, do you want to diffuse their power or defuse it?

erleichda

erleichda

Germany
May 2003

JUL 31, 2007 02:05 AM

Interesting. Until today I was under the impression that "Mein Kampf" is actually banned in Germany under that law which sanctions hatespeech.
Turns out it's not. It's neither illegal to own it nor to buy or sell it, providing it's an old issue, not one published in germany after '45. The bavarian state holds the publishing right and simply refuses to have it published and goes after everyone who illegaly publishes it.
In 2015 it will enter the public domain, and can legally be published by anybody.

Some comments here do give the impression that this is about suppressing or mystifying the content of "Mein Kampf". That's not the case. Going through school in germany there is one subject the will come up again and again and again. And that's nationalsocialism, WWII, the holocaust, the rise of the nazis, their ideology and so on. I remember reading excerpts from "Mein Kampf" in school more than once. You can buy
commented excerpts and that's really all anyone needs, because as mentioned by a few people, the whole thing is barely readable.

I guess what will happen is this. In 2015 someone will go ahead and publish the thing, unabridged, uncommented. Thereby they will clearly break the aforementioned law against hatespeech and within a very short while that newly published version of the book will actually be banned. And whoever thought it was a good idea to give neonazis a book to wank over will lose a lot of money.

That's not to say the contained information will be banned. It never was. As I said, history classes will still be going over this again and again.

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