publicAnemone said:
If you can't see the difference between a personal credo against custody battles and an extreme story in which a custody battle was necessary, then I don't know if you can expect to make much progress when having a discussion about gender relationships.
If she doesn't want absolute statements to be applied absolutely, then she should not make them.
Do you think I did a better job, phrasing it?
I don't really see anywhere that you succinctly re-phrased it, so I can't comment. But I really don't see any good way to re-phrase it that doesn't turn it into a tautology - it's bad to fight for custody of your children except in cases where it's really important. Well, fucking duh.
publicAnemone said:
If you can't see the difference between a personal credo against custody battles and an extreme story in which a custody battle was necessary, then I don't know if you can expect to make much progress when having a discussion about gender relationships.
If she doesn't want absolute statements to be applied absolutely, then she should not make them.
Do you think I did a better job, phrasing it?
I don't really see anywhere that you succinctly re-phrased it, so I can't comment. But I really don't see any good way to re-phrase it that doesn't turn it into a tautology - it's bad to fight for custody of your children except in cases where it's really important. Well, fucking duh.
Oh. So you do agree. You only take offense because it's obvious to you. That wasn't clear to me.
publicAnemone said:
If you can't see the difference between a personal credo against custody battles and an extreme story in which a custody battle was necessary, then I don't know if you can expect to make much progress when having a discussion about gender relationships.
If she doesn't want absolute statements to be applied absolutely, then she should not make them.
Do you think I did a better job, phrasing it?
I don't really see anywhere that you succinctly re-phrased it, so I can't comment. But I really don't see any good way to re-phrase it that doesn't turn it into a tautology - it's bad to fight for custody of your children except in cases where it's really important. Well, fucking duh.
Oh. So you do agree.
Who do I supposedly agree with and what statement of theirs do I apparently agree?
And my "duh" is not to the "you shouldn't fight" part, but instead to the "except when it's important" part. The first part is debatable and without the second included totally and completely false.
publicAnemone said:
If you can't see the difference between a personal credo against custody battles and an extreme story in which a custody battle was necessary, then I don't know if you can expect to make much progress when having a discussion about gender relationships.
If she doesn't want absolute statements to be applied absolutely, then she should not make them.
Do you think I did a better job, phrasing it?
I don't really see anywhere that you succinctly re-phrased it, so I can't comment. But I really don't see any good way to re-phrase it that doesn't turn it into a tautology - it's bad to fight for custody of your children except in cases where it's really important. Well, fucking duh.
Oh. So you do agree.
Who do I supposedly agree with and what statement of theirs do I apparently agree?
And my "duh" is not to the "you shouldn't fight" part, but instead to the "except when it's important" part. The first part is debatable and without the second included totally and completely false.
Oh, Okay. My bad.
Meeting this mutual ideal has multiple benefits
1. It is more likely to be beneficial to the child because of increased communication between the parents and increased acknowledgment by those parents of their own agency.
2. It can result in many more options for child custody in terms of flexibility, and assuaging the needs of all parties, than is recognized by most courtrooms.
3. There is no money spent on legal expenses, and that money can go to the financial security of either one of the caregivers, or the child.
4. Having parents that communicate and respect each other will decrease the psychological burden on the child to blame him or herself, or choose which parent that he or she loves is evil.
5. It doesn't consume public resources.
6. It's a good challenge for the parents ability to resolve their own conflicts and may result in a positive outcome for the relationship between the parents.
FWIW, I think fighting over custody is a shitty fucking thing for parents to do, period.
WoW. So i am a shitty parent because i wanted sole custody of my daughter?
Have you met her mother and the other 7 kids she has, probably not because she has been evicted/moved about 9 times to 8 different cities in the last two years. her kids have yet to spend a full year in any school. Of course that was after she cheated on me three times, got married to the last guy that she cheated on me with .02 seconds after our divorce was final.
That and she has done a little jail time for domestic violence and assault, and she has dependency and addiction issues.
My custody battle lasted over 3 years because she couldn't drag her ass downtown make court dates. And here in the wonderful state of Ohio, court dates are set 3 months in advance.
I fought for three years and never once brought my daughter into it. My ex got visitation regularly, she got to spend time with my daughter, my daughter had no clue what was going on in court. not for her to worry about.
8 years later, my daughter lives with me. I have the sole say so in any decision about her life, my ex has no ability to make any decision. It drove me broke to spell it out to the state that i was the better parent. Ohio was filled with Mother's rights at the time. I filed bankruptcy soon after my custody was determined.
If that makes me a shitty parent. fine. but I would do it again in a heartbeat. There is no doubt in my mind she is better off with me.
Based on what you're saying, I would say that the person fighting for custody was your wife, and she was being shitty.
Jesus fucking Christ. Why can't you just admit that you made an bad statement instead of playing this asinine semantic game (and playing it poorly)?
Well the rather amusing thing is, that even tho my ex was this disaster of a person, i STILL had to "fight" to prove i was a fit parent and that my daughter was better off with me.
so technically i was fighting to prove to the state that i was a fit parent
either way you look at it. in some round about way, i was fighting over custody.
FWIW, I think fighting over custody is a shitty fucking thing for parents to do, period.
WoW. So i am a shitty parent because i wanted sole custody of my daughter?
Have you met her mother and the other 7 kids she has, probably not because she has been evicted/moved about 9 times to 8 different cities in the last two years. her kids have yet to spend a full year in any school. Of course that was after she cheated on me three times, got married to the last guy that she cheated on me with .02 seconds after our divorce was final.
That and she has done a little jail time for domestic violence and assault, and she has dependency and addiction issues.
My custody battle lasted over 3 years because she couldn't drag her ass downtown make court dates. And here in the wonderful state of Ohio, court dates are set 3 months in advance.
I fought for three years and never once brought my daughter into it. My ex got visitation regularly, she got to spend time with my daughter, my daughter had no clue what was going on in court. not for her to worry about.
8 years later, my daughter lives with me. I have the sole say so in any decision about her life, my ex has no ability to make any decision. It drove me broke to spell it out to the state that i was the better parent. Ohio was filled with Mother's rights at the time. I filed bankruptcy soon after my custody was determined.
If that makes me a shitty parent. fine. but I would do it again in a heartbeat. There is no doubt in my mind she is better off with me.
Based on what you're saying, I would say that the person fighting for custody was your wife, and she was being shitty.
Jesus fucking Christ. Why can't you just admit that you made an bad statement instead of playing this asinine semantic game (and playing it poorly)?
Well the rather amusing thing is, that even tho my ex was this disaster of a person, i STILL had to "fight" to prove i was a fit parent and that my daughter was better off with me.
so technically i was fighting to prove to the state that i was a fit parent
either way you look at it. in some round about way, i was fighting over custody.
That is most definitely something! I could only imagine the ignorance you had to battle.
Ok, I agree that cashing his alimony cheques while living with her wife is not the most morally-upstanding thing anyone has ever done...but it's sure getting a lot of republican attention now, isn't it? Funny how money has the power to do that!
She probably isn't doing it as a publicity stunt, but it's having that effect and I'm still glad. I hope that guy had it coming, because it is a pretty thoroughly shitty thing to do.
PatrickY
Vancouver, WA
December 2003
JUL 26, 2007 11:45 PM