Subrosa said:
By contrast, I'm figuring that a place like Boston or New York would be like a 17, Houston or Detroit would be a 5 and LA would be about a 2.75 (because if Los Angelenos were creative at all they would surely be able to think of a better place to live than Los Angeles.)
Die.
Not very creative, bean. Not very creative at all.
dingoes8 said:
I'm sure San Francisco is awesome and all, but this seems like one of those times where someone has a conclusion in mind, such as creative/gay people=better city, then builds data around it to support it. But the openness to other types of people seems like more of an effect of the prosperity than the cause. So many millions of factors go into a city, I think it's too simplistic to narrow it down to one or two factors. Most of the richest cities are also located on bodies of water, which brought in trade, and towards the coasts, which brought in foreigners. It'd be impossible to boil it down to exactly why one place developed a certain way while another developed differently.
I think there's something to that, certainly. That said, the author seems to be focusing on areas that are innovating technologically and economically, not necessarily those that are simply "richer" (i.e. the Anchorage, AK example earlier in the thread.) While certainly those areas tend to have their own natural advantages (access to waterways, good weather, etc.) not all of them do (Austin, TX comes to mind).
In other words, I think you're right to an extent, but I also think Dr. Florida is on to something.
tgulag said:
Personally, from a historical perspective, I never understood why San Francisco continues to exist. SF has to be one of the most dangerous places to build a city. It's bisected by TWO major fault lines, and I believe four minor faults. It has a history of frequent earthquakes; it had one the other day. Hell, the damn place was just about completely destroyed in 1906.
I'm just saying; Pompeii, Knossos, Anamurium; throw in New Orleans for kicks. Don't exist anymore, just tourist spots. Will SF rebuild again when the next big quake flattens it again? [I give it within 30 years; no doubt]
Of course, look at me; I gander at that huge, overdue, very glaciated, volcano in the PNW everyday. And I guess Tokyo, Kobe, the rest of Japan still maintains their metropolis status. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
And, by the way: My city's cooler than your's! Take a look at the weather reports.
The fault line off of the coast of Washington is FAR more dangerous than any of the faults that run near SF. Yours goes up and down. Sf's goes sideways. Up and down is very, very bad.
I'm afraid my current home stands in stark contrast to the above assertions. We've got more fags geeks, gutterpunks, communards and monkey chihuahua bar fights than a Fellini movie. No one flocks. It's sad really, but hey, try getting a drink at 2:01 AM, Oakland.
tgulag said:
Personally, from a historical perspective, I never understood why San Francisco continues to exist. SF has to be one of the most dangerous places to build a city. It's bisected by TWO major fault lines, and I believe four minor faults. It has a history of frequent earthquakes; it had one the other day. Hell, the damn place was just about completely destroyed in 1906.
I'm just saying; Pompeii, Knossos, Anamurium; throw in New Orleans for kicks. Don't exist anymore, just tourist spots. Will SF rebuild again when the next big quake flattens it again? [I give it within 30 years; no doubt]
Of course, look at me; I gander at that huge, overdue, very glaciated, volcano in the PNW everyday. And I guess Tokyo, Kobe, the rest of Japan still maintains their metropolis status. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
And, by the way: My city's cooler than your's! Take a look at the weather reports.
The fault line off of the coast of Washington is FAR more dangerous than any of the faults that run near SF. Yours goes up and down. Sf's goes sideways. Up and down is very, very bad.
Hate you all, just saying. I live in a pissant little city of 20-30k, about an hour west of Boston. I'd move to the city, but I am currently afflicted w/a condition called "broke."
so basically all the cool and trendy bohemian and gay people attract all the geeky and busines savy nerds who try and jump on the band wagon to be cool and the city prospers. win win
The construction of low overpasses on parkways were made purposely too low for buses to clear, and the veto of extension of the Long Island Rail Road to Jones Beach, were to prevent the poor and racial minorities (largely dependent on public transit) from accessing the beach while providing easy car access for wealthier, white groups.
The provision of numerous park amenities on the West Side highway below 125th Street (the southern boundary of Harlem) versus the provision of few (if any) amenities north of 125th Street. Fort Tryon Park and the Cloisters, both of which sit in the northern part of Manhattan Island, are in the white neighborhood of Inwood, not Harlem.
The construction of low overpasses on parkways were made purposely too low for buses to clear, and the veto of extension of the Long Island Rail Road to Jones Beach, were to prevent the poor and racial minorities (largely dependent on public transit) from accessing the beach while providing easy car access for wealthier, white groups.
The provision of numerous park amenities on the West Side highway below 125th Street (the southern boundary of Harlem) versus the provision of few (if any) amenities north of 125th Street. Fort Tryon Park and the Cloisters, both of which sit in the northern part of Manhattan Island, are in the white neighborhood of Inwood, not Harlem.
It's good to know that urban planning, which got it's start in NYC and Washington D.C. roughly a century before Robert Moses was even born, is somehow inherently racist because of Robert Moses.
He means urban renewal, he's just not very well informed.
It's bad enough that you're always wrong when words come out of your mouth. How about you don't put your ignorant ramblings into my mouth?
If you actually bother to learn even the basics of what you're talking about, I would. Unfortunately, you meant urban renewal, not urban planning, just like you meant filibuster not cloture, which means I have to come along and correct you because otherwise people don't know what the fuck you're babbling about.
From the the catalogue of the exhibition you linked to.
Robert Moses and the Modern City: Slum Clearance and the Superblock Solution, opening on January 30, 2007 at Columbia University's Miriam and Ira D. Wallach Art Gallery will present for the first time the full scope of Moses's 1950s urban renewal program, which became a national model.
You can talk all the shit you like, but the fact is, it's pretty clear that you basically skim articles you don't fully understand and punt them up here with your own very special brand of derision. In short, you're Alpha22's smarter brother. Congratulations.
Actually, Uncognitive, I'm going to expand on this.
You have become one of those classic little bitches on the boards. I've seen your kind many times over my year + here. I wrote something that offended you. In this case I took on your spineless Democrats. And you basically, lost your shit. Now, where ever I go, there you are. I say black, you say white.
It has little to do with what I write at this point and more to do with you trying to win some battle that does not exist. Keep on at it.
I'm going to put you on ignore now. If only that would keep me from having to see your boring stories on the likes of Disney.
FearTheReaper said:
Actually, Uncognitive, I'm going to expand on this.
You have become one of those classic little bitches on the boards. I've seen your kind many times over my year + here. I wrote something that offended you. In this case I took on your spineless Democrats. And you basically, lost your shit. Now, where ever I go, there you are. I say black, you say white.
It has little to do with what I write at this point and more to do with you trying to win some battle that does not exist. Keep on at it.
I'm going to put you on ignore now. If only that would keep me from having to see your boring stories on the likes of Disney.
Hooray! I win!
I always love it when people insult me as they run away from fights they start.
Subrosa
San Francisco, CA
July 2004
JUL 23, 2007 10:37 AM