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GadflySystem

GadflySystem

Santa Rosa, CA
April 2007

JUL 16, 2007 04:23 PM

OKAY double post because the edit window hates me...

As an avid listener of the "savage nation" let me add a few things.
1. You won't find credentials from a search of "Michael Savage" because that's not his real name.
2. He lives in west Marin county...yup, Marin.
3. He boats in San Fransisco Bay (HOW SAVAGE!!!)
4. This is his "dog" and the mascot of the "savage nation"

Don't believe me? click and scroll to bottom
5. One of my favorites (not mine)

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
...I found out the Savage and David Horowitz were involved in one of the most frivolous lawsuits in California history_which is odd because trial lawyers are one of Savage's biggest scapegoats.

Here's what happened. In 1996, Savage applied for the position of dean at the Graduate School of Journalism at UC Berkeley. I'm sure that the hiring committee had a good horselaugh reading Savage's vita. True, Savage has a Ph.D. but it is in epidemiology and nutrition science. Horowitz pointed out how Savage had written 17 books, but they are mostly books on herbs and questionable healing methods such as homeopathy. His job at the time_his current job_was incoherent radio talk show (click here for a recent example). Had Savage been chosen to head the journalism school, it would have been the laughing stock of academia.

Instead, the person chosen for the job was Orville Schell, a distinguished scholar and journalist. Schell has been honored with writing fellowships from the Alicia Patterson Foundation, the MacDowell Colony, and the Guggenheim Memorial Foundation. Additionally, he has received awards from the Overseas Press Club of America for best article on a foreign subject and the Page One Award for the best investigative story. In addition, Schell has contributed to magazines such as The New Yorker, The New York Review of Books, Tricycle, The Atlantic, The Nation, Newsweek, The Los Angeles Times, Granta, and The China Quarterly.

On his radio show, Savage claimed that he was snubbed because he was white (Schell is also white) and proceeded to sue the UC at Berkeley regents and the head of the search committee, Troy Duster (Savage sued through one of Horowitz's Scaife-funded front groups). Horowitz called the lawsuit "a small but meaningful step toward the restoration of democracy and institutional integrity to the nation's university culture." The lawsuit was quickly dropped. I couldn't find out how much the University of California system spent defending itself against this frivolous suit.
posted by Scoobie Davis / 3:02 PM


Savage is simply bitterly angry about the "Divine Right" of white-males being actively destroyed by...well...people that don't use the term "conservative" as an excuse for being uninformed and over-opinionated.

GadflySystem

GadflySystem

Santa Rosa, CA
April 2007

JUL 16, 2007 04:34 PM

wildswan said:





Yeah, we all know his name is Michael A. Weiner, dude.



Yes, I saw that covered in previous posts, but it deserves repeating because he has reprinted some of his old outdated and debunked books and replaced the author name with his fake name. He also removed the name of his co-author for the re-prints.

As for the rest, that's just a little bit of how full of pocket-rat-shit he is.


aldoushuxley

aldoushuxley

USA
November 2005

JUL 16, 2007 05:31 PM

Simply the cost to "seal" the border would be to much for our debt ridden economy right now. Of course that doesn't stop Bush from trying anyway. I think the border should be based into different sectors and the state will take over the responsibility for any given sector. Instead of sending guard troops for deployments in Iraq they would be taking turns patrolling on the border. I think we should create way stations at every 25 to 50 miles of the border and the units would be in charge of the area in that sector via cameras and aerial patrols. At the moment a plan like this is still way to expensive overall I think our government needs to think about the way it is spending its money and decrease the debt.

MessyJessy

MessyJessy

Fort Myers, FL
August 2005

JUL 16, 2007 05:42 PM

defaultx said:
COMBO / TROOPS / FENCE / TECHNOLOGY.


problem fucking solved.





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= defaultx wet dream

defaultx

defaultx

I'm lost
February 2006

JUL 16, 2007 06:03 PM

lol nice!

thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

JUL 16, 2007 06:22 PM

DhD_PillowPants said:
Um, exactly how are we supposed to seal the border? We can't exactly put a Boggle Bubble over the U.S.


I dunno...I could get some easy chuckles from that. All you need is a giant mechanical finger to press the bubble.

-TM

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

JUL 16, 2007 10:58 PM

Subrosa said:
He has one of the more loyal and vocal followings on right-wing talk radio. He's like Rush Limbaugh, but, you know... more white, Christian and conservative.



Last I heard he was still Jewish.

Rush at least seems to believe in most of what he's saying. Savage is on the Anne Coulter end of the scale. Even the true believers probably know he's not really behind everything he says, they just love hearing him have the nerve to say it.

Shock is part of the key here. Like Howard Stern, to an extent.

Once while I was driving through rural AZ and had nothing else to listen to, he went off on a tangent about what a great book (and movie) "The Lover" was. I thought I was in the fucking twilight zone. Savage rhapsodized for about ten minutes about how well written it was, yada yada yada. Luckily, nobody else in the audience had ever heard of it (or wouldn't own up to having seen the film) or some of them would've gone ballistic.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

JUL 16, 2007 11:01 PM

FreakPirate said:
I know that people like this exist in Canada... but I just never hear about them. And I'm so thankful for that.



Because you are only allowed to listen to the communists on the CBC. And they have to be aboot 15% (or was that 20?) Canadian. Oh wait, that's just the music.

egon

egon

Las Vegas, NV
July 2003

JUL 16, 2007 11:02 PM

Subrosa said:

egon said:

Subrosa said:

egon said:
(I mean, I am a defense attorney by trade)



You... you... BASTARD!




we just can't do what we do all the time without being able to detach our feelings and moral judgements (but not ethics, I know I took PR too) from our legal responsibilities.

Maybe it carries over. Or maybe we ended up doing what we do because we were born that way



Sure. Though I prefer to think we do what we do because we're just too awesome not to.

That said, I never really understood hunger strikes either. Not because I don't understand how they've been effective but because I know within the first 4 hours or so I'd be ordering in for Pizza.



Oh man, I am stoked on that. Like my secratary and paralegal don't think i'm a pretentious enough dick as it is. I am so gonna use the logic that I am too awesome to not be a lawyer tomorrow at work

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

JUL 16, 2007 11:03 PM

ASSH0LE said:

Because you are only allowed to listen to the communists on the CBC. And they have to be aboot 15% (or was that 20?) Canadian. Oh wait, that's just the music.



Our Rush fills me with far less rage.

ASSH0LE

ASSH0LE

Las Vegas, NV
June 2003

JUL 16, 2007 11:43 PM

wildswan said:
Anyway, I'm trying to decide if it is more reprehensible if this is just his schtick, or if he actually holds these beliefs.



My take? He's conservative, but the bulk of the show is schtick. He out-Coulters Coulter. And like her, people seem to lap it up even if THEY are reasonably sure he doesn't mean every last word of it.

As much as I disagree with Lush Rimjob/Rump Lunchbox, with his show along with the sometimes over-the-top hyperbole you'll sometimes get some intelligent political analyses along with the talking points. It can be interesting parsing what's spin and what's his real thoughts. That's what makes that show almost listenable.

With Savage/Weiner, it can be amusing for a minute or two just to see to which extreme he takes his diatribes. But unless you're the choir he's preaching to, it kind of falls flat after a minute or two. You know he doesn't believe it, because nobody'd be that wingnut whackjob. Nobody could believe all the stuff he spews.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUL 17, 2007 12:26 AM

aldoushuxley said:
Simply the cost to "seal" the border would be to much for our debt ridden economy right now. Of course that doesn't stop Bush from trying anyway. I think the border should be based into different sectors and the state will take over the responsibility for any given sector. Instead of sending guard troops for deployments in Iraq they would be taking turns patrolling on the border. I think we should create way stations at every 25 to 50 miles of the border and the units would be in charge of the area in that sector via cameras and aerial patrols. At the moment a plan like this is still way to expensive overall I think our government needs to think about the way it is spending its money and decrease the debt.



Decreasing the national debt? Financial responsibility? Sounds good. Because that's a much more pressing concern than illegal immigration is.



This chart shows immigration to the US since 1820 as a percent of total population. To the right has been added a red bar representing the 500-800 thousand estimated annual illegal immigrants over the past decade. In short, we are back to a level of immigration roughly that of the mid 1970s.




I can't reason, with any logic, why the right wing has latched onto this issue so, other than race. I hate to cheapen the debate down to saying the anti-immigration types are reformed racists, but that always seems to be the root of their arguments, even if they won't admit (they claim the debate is about obeying the law, but that can't be true because there are far worst law breakers that a lot of conservatives tend to ignore).


O'Reilly actual admits it here. This isn't about the law to the majority of conservatives. It's about their fear that this country may not be a white majority in 10, 20 years (I don't think they really have to worry about the Christian part though). Though Bill, it's not exactly that we want or don't want "break down the white, christian, male power structure", at least not in the way he puts it. But we are just recognizing the reality of the situation. The majority of Americans will not be white, european decent here soon. And we don't look at immigrant as lower class cattle. They are people.

Illegal immigration is not a problem worthy of the attention it receives. Are there reforms needed? Yes. But there are far more worthy concerns we should be paying attention to currently.

Vodnik

Vodnik

Auburn, WA
December 2006

JUL 17, 2007 01:57 AM

egon said:
ya know, back to the point of the first half of the article, am I the only one who doesn't really get hunger strikes. I'll admit that I am a cold, cold person (I mean, I am a defense attorney by trade), but I have never cared what happens to people who choose to go on a hunger strike.

I have to admit that, over the years, I've become disaffected with the practice, mainly because, as a means of influencing public policy, it bypasses reasoned debate and goes straight for emotional blackmail. Going on hunger strike (and sticking with it) demonstrates that you possess sufficient conviction regarding your cause to inflict severe physical discomfort, possibly even death, upon yourself if your demands are not met. What a hunger strike does not do is demonstrate that your position is correct (even though it may be). I'd go so far as to say that hunger strikes are merely the adult version of holding your breath until you turn blue in the face (and by "adult," I mean in the chronological sense, not necessarily in the emotional sense). Killing yourself to make your point beats killing other people, I suppose, but that's about all here is to be said for it.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUL 17, 2007 08:15 AM

egon said:
Oh man, I am stoked on that. Like my secratary and paralegal don't think i'm a pretentious enough dick as it is. I am so gonna use the logic that I am too awesome to not be a lawyer tomorrow at work



Heh. Yeah. My * secretary and paralegal feel the same way. They're always like "Brosa! Why you gotta be such an awesomely pretentious dick!?" And stuff.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

JUL 17, 2007 08:21 AM

Subrosa said:

egon said:
Oh man, I am stoked on that. Like my secratary and paralegal don't think i'm a pretentious enough dick as it is. I am so gonna use the logic that I am too awesome to not be a lawyer tomorrow at work



Heh. Yeah. My * secretary and paralegal feel the same way. They're always like "Brosa! Why you gotta be such an awesomely pretentious dick!?" And stuff.



Dude, even your imaginary friends think you are a pretentious dick? That is fucking SAD.

otaku

otaku

USA
January 2004

JUL 21, 2007 04:24 PM

ASSH0LE said:
Once while I was driving through rural AZ and had nothing else to listen to, he went off on a tangent about what a great book (and movie) "The Lover" was. I thought I was in the fucking twilight zone. Savage rhapsodized for about ten minutes about how well written it was, yada yada yada. Luckily, nobody else in the audience had ever heard of it (or wouldn't own up to having seen the film) or some of them would've gone ballistic.



The flick with Jane March?!?
I'm sure he enjoyed it for "artistic reasons". biggrin

MyghtyMikeM30

MyghtyMikeM30

Los Angeles, CA
March 2007

JUL 21, 2007 09:02 PM

this fred savage bitch should be depicted in an X-rated anime whare revolutionist robots to their countrys line up to anal arse the jack off until the J-pop out of him singing "let's get crunk" in japanese titled Tinshi soldier

Heathen_Dave

Heathen_Dave

Birmingham, AL
July 2005

JUL 21, 2007 10:38 PM

MyghtyMikeM30 said:
this fred savage bitch should be depicted in an X-rated anime whare revolutionist robots to their countrys line up to anal arse the jack off until the J-pop out of him singing "let's get crunk" in japanese titled Tinshi soldier



Hey! Wonder years was a great show! Why you gotta harsh on Fred like that?!

chikinhammr

chikinhammr

Orlando, FL
April 2006

JUL 22, 2007 01:22 AM

Yawn.

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

JUL 22, 2007 01:41 AM

Heathen_Dave said:

MyghtyMikeM30 said:
this fred savage bitch should be depicted in an X-rated anime whare revolutionist robots to their countrys line up to anal arse the jack off until the J-pop out of him singing "let's get crunk" in japanese titled Tinshi soldier



Hey! Wonder years was a great show! Why you gotta harsh on Fred like that?!



Now Dan Savage - he'd be all over that.





I think.
I'm not sure that's even English.

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