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WilWheaton

WilWheaton

Los Angeles, CA
June 2005

JUN 26, 2007 04:51 PM





The latest installment in the sickening genre of films best described as Torture Porn, Captivity, is scheduled for release later this month, but before it vanishes into the DVD world after two weeks, producer Courtney Solomon plans to exploit SuicideGirls to promote his film.

Having already provoked parents, women's groups and the ratings board with explicit ads for the coming torture movie "Captivity," Mr. Solomon and his After Dark Films now intend to introduce the film, set for release July 13, with a party that may set a new standard for the politically incorrect.



For starters, Mr. Solomon has ordered up what he calls the three "most outlandish" SuicideGirls available from the punk porn service, even if they're as frisky as the ones he is told once set a Portland, OR restaurant on fire. Some lucky fans will get to take the women as dates for party night, July 10, on two conditions: "People take the date at their own risk, and everybody on the Internet gets to watch."

When did artistic nudity become known as pornography? Did I miss a memo? And when did SuicideGirls become a service? Are we offering outcall massage now?



In his remarks to the New York Times, Solomon comes across as a repugnant misogynist:

As Mr. Solomon envisions it, individuals in torture gear will wander through the West Hollywood club Privilege grabbing partygoers. All of which is a prelude to an undisclosed main event that, he warned last week over slices of pizza a few doors from his company's new offices on the Sunset Strip, is "probably not legal."



"The women's groups definitely will love it," Mr. Solomon hinted. "I call it my personal little tribute to them."

Any Suicide Girls who are contacted for this "promotion" should tell him to go fuck himself. SuicideGirls is about empowering women, not about letting scumbags like Solomon exploit them to glorify violence against women.





SG Editorial: Wil let us know how he feels about Gorn in general and this promotion in particular. Here to share her thoughts is Missy Suicide:



First let me state that I am happy to read Wil's commentary and glad that the SG Newswire can be a meeting ground for debate. While I definitely appreciate Wil's opinion and feel that he should share his feelings, I personally do not see anything wrong with the girls going out on a chaperoned date to a movie premiere. Many of the SGs are fans of horror films -- even torture porn horror films -- and would probably have interesting things to say about the film. While I do agree with Wil that SuicideGirls is not pornography and shouldn't be referred to as such, that misnomer is Captivity producer Mr. Soloman's biggest offense and an important distinction that I will discuss with him.



He is planning a crazy Hollywood party full of debauchery but I don't think that puts the SuicideGirls at risk of anything they wouldn't encounter on their own during a night out on the town. They will have a chaperone and the date will be broadcast on the Internet putting them at even less risk for physical or emotional harm than most church social attendees.



The girls on the other hand have free reign to do whatever they feel like. I would be far more worried about the person they are going out on a date with than the girls themselves, having partied with a few of the ladies myself and after hearing Nixon's account of sending a roller blader to the hospital on the first tour DVD. And while "Blind Date" was not my favorite show, I was not worried about SG Bee when she was set up on a date with a midget. She had a fun time and made some money for being on TV. The girls who attend will have a fun time, get to go to a Hollywood party and be paid well to have their evening broadcast.



We have done promotions with Courtney in the past and, while he is not afraid of controversy, I don't think that makes him a bad person. I believe in people's rights to freedom of expression and don't see what it so wrong about pushing boundaries. No one is forcing anyone to see the movie. Adults should be able to make up their own mind about what they see and what they don't.



Personally, I love horror movies. Being scared is one of my favorite things; I scream like a little girl and throw popcorn around and it is fun times. I have not seen this movie yet so I can't say if I like it or not, but my taste in horror movies is embarrassingly bad so you probably shouldn't take my opinion anyway. I will watch everything from creepy Japanese horror like Ichi the Killer and the Korean movie Old Boy that are just disturbingly fucked up, to big Hollywood blockbusters. I even liked a Michael Keaton vehicle called White Noise because it made me scream. I do have to admit I initially saw it because I thought it had something to do with the Don DeLillo book of the same name but, once I found out that dead people could talk to me through electronic static, I was in anyway.



We have worked with After Dark in the past and plan to work with them in the future. Last year's contest for Miss Horrorfest had a ton of SuicideGirl contestants and they all seemed to enjoy the experience. While it might not be for everyone and certainly no girl will be forced to participate, I don't really think that there is anything wrong with a win a date to a party contest. I appreciate Wil's stance and think each girl should decide for herself if she wants to be involved.

-Missy

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUN 26, 2007 05:06 PM

nice point-counterpoint.

BrodyNinjaLips

BrodyNinjaLips

Cardiff By The Sea, CA
February 2007

JUN 26, 2007 05:09 PM

That is fucking gay. Don't they have to contact the site owners about whoring out thier models?

SoPhast

SoPhast

Park City, UT
January 2005

JUN 26, 2007 05:10 PM

Hell yes Missy!!!! I knew I liked you wink Let the SGs choose whether or not they want to participate. Choice is power.

..and uh, how can I get into said party? biggrin

Saraah

Saraah

Los Angeles, CA
March 2007

JUN 26, 2007 05:11 PM

Nicely put, Wil and Missy both.

Joss Whedon (he of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly genius) had some interesting thoughts about "Captivity" in a really lovely and heart-wrenching essay that wasn't really about the movie at all. But I think everyone should read it HERE regardless.

WilWheaton

WilWheaton

Los Angeles, CA
June 2005

JUN 26, 2007 05:15 PM

It's totally cool that Missy counterpointed me, and of course everyone is entitled to make their own decisions about this, especially the Suicide Girls.

My counter-counterpoint: The point isn't that the SGs are in danger or anything like that, which would be silly. The point is that this film glorifies violence against women and the producer's remarks about women in general -- and the SGs in particular -- feel very misogynistic to me.

Suicide Girls is about empowering women, and I don't see how participating in the promotion of a film that glorifies and glamorizes and celebrates violence against women is consistent with that.

Regardless, I appreciate Missy and Sean giving me an opportunity to express my view on this.

All_Sewn_Up

All_Sewn_Up

Papua New Guinea
January 2007

JUN 26, 2007 05:18 PM

I like After Dark; The Abandoned was a great return to horror films which rely on frights rather than cringes. Torture porn bores the shit out of me, though. Mr. Solomon no doubt realizes that Hostel II's box office tanking doesn't bode well for his cheap knock-off and is doing everything he can to hype this up and squeeze the last few dollars from gorn's bruised, lacerated and generally disfigured corpse. Don't raise too big a stink about it, Wil - every time a conservative Christian gets Marilyn Manson banned from one town he sells double the tickets in the next. Learn from the mistakes they (happily) never do. biggrin

Westley

Westley

Vatican City
April 2004

JUN 26, 2007 05:21 PM

While I do agree with Wil that SuicideGirls is not pornography and shouldn't be referred to as such, that misnomer is Captivity producer Mr. Soloman's biggest offense


Clearly you have not seen the Dungeons & Dragons films.

RileyStClair

RileyStClair

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUN 26, 2007 05:21 PM

thanks for the linkage, saraah. that was a good read. <3 joss.

sixtyfootqueenie

sixtyfootqueenie

Australia
January 2004

JUN 26, 2007 05:22 PM

why is it that horror movies where men get tortured is not talked about like this?

horror movies are just that...

VnlaThndr775

VnlaThndr775

Reno, NV
October 2006

JUN 26, 2007 05:23 PM

This torture porn shit is played out. puke Bring back the gory-axe-murderer-killing-fornicating-teenage-couples genre!

Amelia

Amelia

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUN 26, 2007 05:23 PM

WilWheaton said:
It's totally cool that Missy counterpointed me, and of course everyone is entitled to make their own decisions about this, especially the Suicide Girls.

My counter-counterpoint: The point isn't that the SGs are in danger or anything like that, which would be silly. The point is that this film glorifies violence against women and the producer's remarks about women in general -- and the SGs in particular -- feel very misogynistic to me.

Suicide Girls is about empowering women, and I don't see how participating in the promotion of a film that glorifies and glamorizes and celebrates violence against women is consistent with that.

Regardless, I appreciate Missy and Sean giving me an opportunity to express my view on this.



wills got my back!

McKenneth

McKenneth

Macedon, NY
August 2005

JUN 26, 2007 05:23 PM

I'm with Wil on this one. The guy sounds like a tool.

By the way, Stand By Me was one of the first movies I ever saw. Wil, you are amazing.

GuiltShow

GuiltShow

Riverside, CA
May 2005

JUN 26, 2007 05:25 PM

I think the artistic nudity of this website comment is open to debate, but thats just me. It's not all "tasteful" or "artistic", in my opinion.

Shalome

Shalome

MODERATOR

Los Angeles, CA

JUN 26, 2007 05:26 PM

WilWheaton said:
It's totally cool that Missy counterpointed me, and of course everyone is entitled to make their own decisions about this, especially the Suicide Girls.

My counter-counterpoint: The point isn't that the SGs are in danger or anything like that, which would be silly. The point is that this film glorifies violence against women and the producer's remarks about women in general -- and the SGs in particular -- feel very misogynistic to me.

Suicide Girls is about empowering women, and I don't see how participating in the promotion of a film that glorifies and glamorizes and celebrates violence against women is consistent with that.

Regardless, I appreciate Missy and Sean giving me an opportunity to express my view on this.



Look at it this way, Wil.

Scenario 1: The opportunity to participate in this event is put on the table. Women who are into it can participate if they choose to. Women who are disgusted by it don't participate.

Scenario 2: Missy and Sean say to a few Suicidegirls "You must participate in this event, regardless of your personal feelings because we say so."

Scenario 3: Missy and Sean say to a few Suicidegirls "You may not participate in this event regardless of your personal feelings because we say so."

Which one is empowering?

Which one happened?

sixtyfootqueenie

sixtyfootqueenie

Australia
January 2004

JUN 26, 2007 05:28 PM

GuiltShow said:
I think the artistic nudity of this website comment is open to debate, but thats just me. It's not all "tasteful" or "artistic", in my opinion.



totally agreed. I can think of a few photos on this site that are as gory as a horror movie

Drago

Drago

Philadelphia, PA
January 2004

JUN 26, 2007 05:29 PM

Whatever, I'm seeing that movie on the day it comes out.

Why is Wil Wheaton writing about movies anyway? I thought he usually talks about video games and gadgets.

Cassiel

Cassiel

Aurora, CO
September 2004

JUN 26, 2007 05:30 PM

Umm, guys, while all this debate is healthy, it's just a movie. It's light projected upon a screen. That's all.

What I find shocking is that Roland Joffe, director of The Killing Fields and The Mission, both very well-made and powerful films, is directing this, a 'torture porn' film, which is a genre that has played out its welcome (I point my finger @ 9/11 for birthing the genre). That being said, I'll probably go and see, if just for Cuthbert.

GuiltShow

GuiltShow

Riverside, CA
May 2005

JUN 26, 2007 05:32 PM

Cassiel said:
(I point my finger @ 9/11 for birthing the genre).



Wait...what?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JUN 26, 2007 05:33 PM

Drago said:
Whatever, I'm seeing that movie on the day it comes out.

Why is Wil Wheaton writing about movies anyway? I thought he usually talks about video games and gadgets.



That's a really good point. He should not be allowed to have an opinion outside of "gadgets."

You, however, should be allowed to scream your evolved opinion from the top of a mountain every fucking day.

Cymagen

Cymagen

Portland, OR
March 2006

JUN 26, 2007 05:33 PM

ugh, stupid hollywood shit like this makes me sick

Karella_Deville

Karella_Deville

Santa Fe, NM
July 2006

JUN 26, 2007 05:35 PM

I feel like what missy was saying was:

free marketing? count us in.

WilWheaton

WilWheaton

Los Angeles, CA
June 2005

JUN 26, 2007 05:35 PM

Shalome said:
Look at it this way, Wil.

Scenario 1: The opportunity to participate in this event is put on the table. Women who are into it can participate if they choose to. Women who are disgusted by it don't participate.

Scenario 2: Missy and Sean say to a few Suicidegirls "You must participate in this event, regardless of your personal feelings because we say so."

Scenario 3: Missy and Sean say to a few Suicidegirls "You may not participate in this event regardless of your personal feelings because we say so."

Which one is empowering?

Which one happened?

Good point, Shalome. count me as a woman who is disgusted by it. wink

Metaverse

Metaverse

Portland, OR
March 2005

JUN 26, 2007 05:37 PM

FearTheReaper said:

Drago said:
Whatever, I'm seeing that movie on the day it comes out.

Why is Wil Wheaton writing about movies anyway? I thought he usually talks about video games and gadgets.



That's a really good point. He should not be allowed to have an opinion outside of "gadgets."

You, however, should be allowed to scream your evolved opinion from the top of a mountain every fucking day.



lol..well said.

drago..keep searching...you may find a clue......someday.

TedKoppel

TedKoppel

Glendale, AZ
March 2004

JUN 26, 2007 05:42 PM

The whole women in peril thing in horror has been hacky for quite a while now. I'm pretty bored with it. My problem with these torture movies is that they don't really make me feel afraid. I think, "Ew, that's gross" and then there's pretty much nothing left for me. Certainly that's how I felt about Ichi the Killer - that movie doesn't even, so far as I could tell, have any sort of subversive message going on in it. But so many horror movies seem to come down to some sexy woman running from a killer. It gets really old.

I must confess one exception to the rule: The Last House on the Left. While parts of that movie are really cheesy and weird, there's a rape/murder that absolutely destroys me. Because I found it to be emotional and upsetting, showing the actual violence of the act, not making it "sexy" or glorifying it, I was all the more disturbed and actually appreciated it for what it was.

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