NEWS: Pro Wrestler Kills Wife, Son, Self

They did indeed release the info about the drugs almost immediately. They were testosterone-replacement steroids prescribed by his Private Physician for a testosterone deficiency brought on by long-term heavy steroid abuse.

I still wouldn't buy this as a 'Roid Rage case, and I hope they don't try to call it one - the facts don't fit that; they are, however, consistent with a drug-induced schizoid psychosis, which happens often after years of heavy steroid abouse and any time one consistently recklessly fucks with one's body's hormones and chemicals. 'Roid Rage is sudden and he would likely have killed them quickly; The long-term psychosis is not, and so complex and relatively unexplored; who knows what complex Evil weirdnesses were going through his mind.

It certainly does not excuse what he did. It was a horrible horrible atrocity, and SOMEONE would likely have noticed his mindsety changeing for it to get that drastically twisted. If it were just a guy getting pissed and killing his wife and son, he wouldn't have drawn it out all weekend and place bibles next to them and seemingly updated his myspace page about it.

yes, you, ummm...dismantled my entire diatribe by calling me a troll.
you, however, did nothing like prove it had no rational thought or merit behind it.
you DID MANAGE to cut and paste a bunch of shit, and make points which pale in comparison to the rational argument which stands in front of you.

since you internet people dont like the way i write, ill make it clear for you: (i, however, couldnt care less if you cant deal with writing which has no caps.)

#1 it would have been much more appropriate to wait and run anything regarding benoit, until they had the details. the wwe will certainly profit fom this, no publicity is bad publicity.

#2 eddie guerrero came back clean and sober. yay. he still died from damage he caused himself through drug use. noone knows this better than his wife and kid, who now has no father, because his dad used drugs to hulk up for the wwe. is vince mcmahon doing anything about this?

#3 since were on the topic of drug use, none of the ARTISTS you mentioned did anything remotely as scummy as killing their kids or wives while on drugs. they also contributed something worthwhile and lasting to the societies in which they lived. do you think people will know who chris benoit, or eddie guerrero is in 30 years. let me help you here...no. do you know why? because theyre bad actors, at best.

#4 merely by watching the wwe, you support its advertisers, who in turn support vince mcmahon, who in turn pays the salaries of these fuckwits who go out and do steroids and amphetamines like there will be none tomorrow.

#5 i apologize for insulting youre taste in entertainment, but only because im a civil guy. i will still talk unending shit about wwe until they put me in the grave. these people arent wrestling, it has nothing to do with wrestling, save the ring. wrestling teaches young men discipline and forces them to use integrity. the wwe is a bunch of steroid-ridden farm animals who call themselves athletes.

im still relatively new to the internet, but the shit that alot of people think passes for logic and argument on-line is nothing more than a bunch of adolescent misfits thumping their chests at each other, and exclaiming 'i know you are, but what am i'. do you honestly believe you 'dismantled my entire diatribe, or proved it had no rational thought or merit behind it,' or are these just stupid words you say when you feel a sense of misguided superiority?

for some reason, everyone uses the word 'troll', as if it means anything. the troll lives under the bridge, and steals children who try to cross it...or didnt you go to kindergarten. if youre implying a metaphor, its lost on me. your impudent sense of superiority is as much of a joke as the fans who call the wwe wrestling. go look it up.

wake up, man. nothing good, rewarding, or lasting comes from the wwe. im not going to try and argue that professional sports, or the sopranos are anything different, because on an entertainment level, theyre not. i, however, havent seen any headlines of edie falco hate-stabbing anyone with a garden tool because she was high on crack. guess what, i wont. please dont try to compare jon bonham or syd barret to these pitiful wrestlers, though. the former were musical artists. eddie guerrero, while not quite as much of a scumbag as benoit, was a bad theatrical joke. it is sad that he ruined his life pawning for a puppet master like mcmahon. very sad, indeed.

wow^^^^^^^^^^
leave for a couple days and a war breaks out... again. i'm suprised rubber souls not backing this guy up.

He's doing fine on his own. I'm enjoying watching him kick ass on these douches.

thanks, bro. i doubt theyll listen to me. they didnt listen to you, and you were making essentially the same arguments.

Fair enough. I feel that both arguments have some merit... having been a hater of wrestling for so long, but as have late having been convinced that the technique is capable of drawing some respect. (god, too stoned to think of a way to state that better.) But your arguments... i feel myself swaying...


oh well, could be the pot.

dont be afraid of the dark side, luke...think for yourself.

Please feel free to show a source or two as to how the WWE is directly profiting from this.

He went to rehab for alcoholism and addiction to painkillers due to injuries from a car accident.

Also, after Eddie's death, the WWE instituted a Wellness Policy for their employees, and since then, there have been suspensions or firings due to drug use. So, yes, I would say Vince has done something about it.

Also, again, from your profile:

So...large amounts of drug use becomes OK if it's people you like or admire?

For one, point to where I said their actions equaled to murder. Or, once again, point to where I condoned Benoit's actions. Good luck, because I never once said that. Yet again, you're twisting around other people's arguments to fit your own.

Second, you "conveniently" ignored my question of whether professional baseball and football players, et al., should be subject to your contempt as well.

You watch the UFC, don't you? Don't act all high and mighty when there have been numerous instances of UFC athletes abusing drugs. Are you supporting their drug use as well?

That comment is so laughable based on your posts here alone I won't even dignify that w/a retort.

And, you're insulting our intelligence when, according to the above quote, you don't even know when to use "your" and "you're?" I guess me don't know no better, for me am not edumacated enuff! Hyuk hyuk! I'ma gonna go whittle somethin' and yell @a colored feller!

Pot, kettle. I believe you two know each other.

We can be democratic about this. Let's put it to a vote for the people to see who they think is being the bigger douchebag. Hmm...I wonder who will win...

*ahem*

Internet troll definition

I didn't argue that, either. All I said is that I didn't criticize you for what entertained you, simply on an entertainment level. Are you even paying attention?

From the sounds of it, maybe you should've written the Sopranos finale.

Again, feel free to show where I argued that their drug use lessened them as people.

Drug use is drug use. That was my argument. Or did you miss that?

And lastly...

I don't have to. Your posts speak for themselves.

-TM

Are you still talking? Because I'm not caring.

-TM

I'm sorry. I'm just confused. The arguments got tiring long ago and I'm not at all sure where the disagreement lies. The people you've been arguing with basically havie been saying this is a tragedy and we should be mourning the victims' families and why was Benoit such an asshole.

You seem to be saying "pro wrestling is bad theatre."

No one seems to be disputing that it's bad theatre. Even pro wrestlers openly admit it's an act.

So, I'm not sure where the argument lies, and I don't care nearly enough to go through 9 pages to find out. I'm with everyone else who says this is horrible and I'm with you all going all Dr. Phil and pointing out the obvious that everyone already knows and I've never heard ANYONE dispute, whether they watch it or not: that pro wrestling isn't really wrestling.

So, since I apparently missed it, what is the disagreement over?

Dude, you like fake wrestling and Phil Collins on top of that. You seriously oughta be confined.

genesis please, but no phil collins. Tarzan much?

Peter Gabriel era Genesis only.

Phil Collins = DOUCHEBAG

what a great episode of south park.

Seriously? Honest and true?

Wow, I never knew I should be thrown in a padded room because of what I like, simply because someone on the Interweb said so.

Thank you, Emo Nazi, for showing me the wisdom you have collected throughout your years! Without your Hitler mustache and your numerous self-inflicted scars you gave yourself (because the world is pain and love is an abomination) to show me the True Way, I may still be living my life, oh, not giving a fuck as to what some queeflick on the Web says I can and can not like.

I SALUTE you!



-TM

my original sense of outrage came from people in this thread insinuating that it was 'too soon' to speak about chris benoits death in any sarcastic or derogatory manner. someone heckled the wwe, and suggested that benoits death might be a marketing ploy, or something to this effect. this person was blasted for his 'insensitivity', and some sg members suggested that any conspiratorial theories regarding his death were in bad taste, and that the situation required some better sense of tact, or respect. i find this to be bullshit.

admittedly, i have difficulty even discussing the wwe. i dont see this mans death as a tragedy. i see it as writing on the wall. he murdered his child and wife, and i feel comfortable placing the responsibility for this squarely on his obvious addiction to steroids, and probably amphetamines. he was a drug addict, living a life way outside of his means and ends. the tragedy is that his wife and child suffered unspeakable fates at his misguided hand. at least we can agree on this.

my biggest point of contention lies foremostly with anyone who believes this man deserves an obligatory tone of respect in death. i dont give a fuck what your beliefs are, what your creed is, or whether you are a part of the wwe circus, or not. the man was a fucking scumbag. he deseved a fate much worse than the one he got. to conspiratorially suggest that the wwe has merely staged all of this is pointing humor at the situation. while the tragic homocides of his wife and son dont deserve such ridicule, chris benoit, and the wwe certainly do, and precisely at such a moment.

if the arguments got tiring to you, quit reading the thread. obviously, you wont learn anything new, or read anything from me which satiates your bombastic intelligence. i am merely trying to express my point of view to people who i believe dont see the picture quite clearly. if this makes me a 'troll', by your e-definition, so be it. i accept your ragged judgement.

the argument lies firmly in my belief that this man deserves to be ridiculed in death, and in life, as does his entire 'organization', or anyone who associates even loosely with it. there seem to be people who disagree with me, and my contention lies solely with them. if you dont have an opinion on the matter which approaches mine in magnitude, please stay the fuck out of the way.

clear?

and now to deal with your ignorant ass. do you honestly believe the sole reason eddie guerrero went to rehab was for alcoholism and addiction to pain killers? were not talking about brett favre here, and dont let me stray from the topic, because i will address drug use among nfl and mlb players later. in your words 'the wwe instituted a wellness policy for their employees, and since then, there have been suspensions or firings due to drug use.'

do you honestly believe that vince mcmahon casts a disfavorable air towards those within his organization who wantonly use drugs?

please.

his fat wallet depends largely on his subjects hulking physiques. it is, undoubtedly, a direct proportion. to suggest that he cares about the ill-effects of drug use among his employees is sheer fucking poppycock, whether you can see it, or not. he makes money because people watch his 'wrestlers'. people watch his 'wrestlers' because they are yoked-up like oxen. his 'wrestlers' are yoked-up like oxen, because they habitually use steroids, and amphetamines.

my personal beliefs on drug use dont really have anything to do with the matter, until his employees, from ill-effects of said drugs, begin to murder their families. at this point i must object, and suggest that something is rotten in denmark.

let us, however, digress to other professional sports. obviously athletes within the nfl and mlb use steroids. is anyone going to try and argue this?
those who have issues dealing within the framework of society, due to their addictions, suffer from problems similar to benoit. i am surely guilty for watching their sports and therefore contributing to the evils which stoke these fires. i havent seen any, however, so outrageously erupt in homocidal rage. have you? i dont give a shit if brett favre is addicted to vicadin. i couldnt care less if barry bonds shoots whatever the fuck he wants to into his veins. neither has begun to approach homocide, and i seriously doubt either ever will. to compare the drug use of an artist to these 'wrestlers' is irrelevant. artists may be 'degenerate' for using drugs, but it is usually only at their own risk, and for very different reasons.

i seethe with hatred at vince mcmahon and the wwe. i feel contempt for anyone who watches it, and cant believe everyone doesnt understand that it is terrible theater with terrible repercussions. rampant steroid use is not only ignored, it is condoned for the sake of a few mens pocketbooks. meanwhile, numbskulls like you, the freak, mindlessly play along in the name of entertainment. wake up. you are condoning this rampant steroid use by patronizing the wwe. chris benoits wife and child suffered because of it.

wow. hatred?

Yes. Much clearer. Thank you. I just saw a bunch of people not wanting to accept anything as fact out of respect for his family (like his dead wife and son) and their families until the investigation progressed further. I think, like many of the others, that any tme a woman and child are murdered, whether or not he did it (which was not 100% clear at the time, and had it turned out that he wasn't responsible, then yes, indeed, it would be a tragedy. See, for me, I don't care what someone does for a living - I don't care for UFC particularly, but I don't wish them dead. Now that it seems he is the responsible one, I still, like the other posters, think making light of the Deaths of a child and woman (both presumably innocent here) is disrespoectful to their families and frankly, reprehensible, regardless of one's feelings about "pro" wrestling. Everyone knows it's fake. The wrestlers themselves openly admit this. But what that, or the character of the APPARENT murderer, has nothing to do with the tragedy of the Deaths. So there I must disagree. It is very tragic. Forgetr about your feelings about Chris for a moment, and maybe think about the others that were murdered.

And furthermore, you're telling me to stay the fuck out of the way if I disagree????

Sorr, Adolf. I, like the others, will disregard our feelings about fake wrestling and will mourn the loss of these lives, and you can go on about your business of using the Death of a child as a platform from which broadcast your contempt for "Pro" wrestling. Meanwhile, I'll continue to think the Deaths were a tragedy. The Deaths, in fact, are part of the central theme of the thread, not the universally accepted fact of wrestling being fake, or COMPLETELY irrelevant opinions about people associated with it.

Stay the fuck out of the way, indeed. You seem to be in the wrong thread.

10-4 doggie daddy. sorry if i was rude.

No problem, Auggie Doggie.

I'd forgotten about that cartoon.

But you CAN'T sit on my knee.

Um...who, exactly is the troll?